Speakers sound too bright.


I just bought a new pair of Martin Logan 60xti speakers.  They are too bright and fatiguing.  I would like to avoid returning them.  I've tried toeing them in and out.  I cant get them further than 1ft away from the wall (back of speaker to wall).  I have a about 1-2 hrs of play time on them.  Not sure if break in will help settle the upper frequencies down. Any suggestions...?

rwalsh07

I’m using the metal jumpers that came with the speakers. My speaker cables are 8ft.

i’ll try positioning them straight. 
 

They do have better dispersion and soundstage than my KEFs. It’s just the harshness than I’m struggling with. Maybe they just need to be broken in. 🤷🏻‍♂️

These speakers have a rising top end from 7k up when pointed at your ears. Pointed straight ahead, though, they measure much flatter. If they still sound too aggressive pointed straight ahead, you might check out something like Dynaudio Evoke 30s or Emit 30s, which I'm betting would be more balanced and less fatiguing. 

The nails on a chalkboard sound. Once one hears it, it’s near impossible to unhear.

@tksteingraber 

Agree about the Dueland DCA 10ga.They tamped down my Cornwall 4's without loss of detail, and they had been thoroughly broken in by being in the loop of an old telephone transfer station for decades.

Also affixed one inch diameter punched out pieces of black gorilla tape one each to the "mouths" of the the midrange horns.

Double check to make sure they are hooked up in phase. How do you have the speaker cables hooked up to the speaker terminals? Do you have a double run of your speaker cables, metal jumpers or short cables? 

stringreen +1 and jond +1

Far too many speakers out there to try. If you get the right pair, your toes should tapping immediately and it will sound better with room treatment and break-in. Return the speakers and try your best to audition the potential next pair. My two cents..

Honestly I'd say if you can return them do so rather than trying bandaids to try and fix them.

Break in, I'd say at least 100 hours. I have heard these speakers after break in and they didn't sound the least bit bright or brittle to my ears.

The reviews I’ve read of your speakers do not indicate an inherent brightness at all, and your associated equipment also should be fine so I’m thinking additional break in should yield significant improvements.  What interconnects are you using?  BTW, if you’d like to significantly upgrade your speaker cables here’s a pair of Acoustic Zen shotgun bi-wire cables (I’ve used these for many years) for only $350, which is a ridiculous price for these cables.  You should jump on them, and if you don’t like them for some reason you can probably sell them for a profit. 

https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/650194860-acoustic-zen-satori-shotgun-biwired-speaker-cables/

Pretty much bare wall, no room treatment, flooring is a mixture of carpet and laminate flooring.  I had my KEF R3 Metas set up identically but weren't nearly as harsh.  I changed speakers because the KEFs sounded a too analytical/metallic for me. I thought the MLs would richen it up a bit, floor is a mixture of carpet and laminate flooring.  The listening area has carpet, approximately 15ft x 15ft.  The speakers are on the carpet.  

@rwalsh07 

Do you have any acoustic treatment, are there a variety of furnishings, rugs, etc. or is everything bare walls and bare floors?

I'm new to this "forum" stuff.

Room: 30ft X 30ft.  

  • Set up is on the front/right side of the room.  back wall is 15ft back from the listening position.  Left wall is 20 feet from the listening position. Right wall is 10ft from listening position.  In as sense, I'm in the right/front corner of a 30ft x 30ft room.
  1. Amp -- Two Schiit TYR Monoblocks.
  2. Pre-Amp -- Schiit Freya +
  3. DAC -- Schiit Yggy O.G.
  4. Speaker Cable -- Blue Jean Cable (10 AWG)
  5. Source -- Lumin Streamer

My suggestion would be to restate your question and include as much information as possible such as:  Room, amplification, source, cabling & power conditioning.

@rick_n  +1.  Hard to assess anything without that info along with what speakers you were using before.  Also, 1-2 hours isn’t nearly sufficient — you should give them a minimum of 100 hours to begin to seriously judge them, and they could well improve further to 200 hours and beyond. 

Since you asked for suggestions.....

My suggestion would be to restate your question and include as much information as possible such as:  Room, amplification, source, cabling & power conditioning.

If the forum members know what you're dealing with you should get some helpful and thoughtful responses.  Hope the new speakers will ultimately work out. 

Give them time to run in.

I had this same issue with a new pair of DIY single driver speakers. Break-in did help some but not enough. Repositioning speakers did nothing. Switching to warmer tubes did very little but some. Switching from 4 ohm to 8 ohm speaker connections along with using Duelund DCA10Ga cables was my solution and happy ending. Not sure any of this applies but just sharing what I went through.