I like wearing a watch especially when you need to see the time discreetly without signaling to someone that is what you are doing, like rudely looking at your phone. I got a Rolex 20 + years ago after getting sick of the depreciation other nice watches took after a few years and started looking dated. Since I bought it, it is now worth about triple of what I paid. It's a sub - no date and I liked it then and now since the date doesn't take up a big chunk of the face of the watch. As I get older, being done with a decision is a nice thing. Now I hope to only replace Audio gear when it breaks, which is thankfully rare, other that a stylus replacement (or cartridge upgrade) when it goes every 3-4 years.
It's almost like poll, but certainly more fun
If you had Rolex 2-tone Daytona, would you trade it for an audio component, system or would rather not trade it?
For me, personally, I'd still be in research of such component (far a lot easier task vs. researching a system) that will be equal or higher value and keep value same or better... It's darn HARD to look there for me and maybe I'd go to Guitar Avenue and find valuable components there.
You may get different or even better idea
DISCLAIMER:
I am not trying to trade any Rolex Daytona, I just want discharged chat here!
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Guess what @inna I haven't said anything about gold yet, but do possess gold coins and would invest there on great deals. On my experience Rolex or other high-end swiss time brands hold up even better than gold. |
A post-1970’s 1980’s Rolex? Um, no. They are the boxy Volvos of style. They are essentially visibly recognizable proxies for your bank account. The value comes only from impressing others. Lots of watches which I feel I’d like the looks of more, and of those I have been really disillusioned with the quality of Swiss mechanical watches. I’ve owned several expensive models and had quality issues with all of them, and mediocre service from almost every watchmaker, from Swatch factory service (which includes a lot of "high-end"brands) to some highly recommended. Perhaps I’d feel differently if I was closer to La Chaux-de-Fonds, and could find extremely reliable watchmakers, but I take no pleasure in buying a brand new watch in a very nice box and finding out it immediately has to be regulated or has a feature which doesn’t work correctly. I’ve owned a Chopard, Zenith and Omega. The Chopard had to be replaced, the Zenith sent in multiple times to help improve the accuracy and the Omega literally fell apart after the third or fourth round of service and I ended up selling it for parts with a subdial hand rattling around in the case. The best Swiss watch I have ever owned is a 1967 Longines which has absolutely spot on accuracy. If I wanted more Swiss timepieces I’d stick to South American sourced vintage watches. There’s some boutique German and English models I’d rather wear if I was in the mood for something new and felt I could risk the performance. My hobbies tend to go towards "tinkering" though so in this respect Seiko is a much more fun brand for me to purchase, modify and maintain. I can buy a movement, case, hands, crystal and bands and make a unique piece just for me. |
Wearing concentric metal band or bracelet is known to cure minor arthritis issues and carpal tunnel. Wearing wrist watch is a LOT healthier than cell phone. As to Rolex, I like it more than bank. It holds the value a lot better than dollar, certainly better than any audio component and occupies a lot smaller space than paper equivalent aside from all negatives and foolishness of the item many people like you may think. I like diamonds as well on that matter preferably vvs.
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@mahgister ....+3.141..... *G* Personally, a digital version of the Antikythera Mechanism that I could have on my cell would be handy.... Recently, 666 came up on the 'points' yielded at the local market for a deduct on fuel at their stations....! Turned the receipt around and asked the checker "Given this, should I walk home....?" Apropos enough, she looked at me like I was crazy...(...little does she know....) Nothing happened, no lotto win, no meteor strikes, *bleh...* Now, If I could have a DAM on my dam cell, I could be aware of the next time the hands all line up precisely, so I'll know when to K M A Goodbye... ...or be horribly disappointed when all that happens is the Same Old Nothing. 😏 |
I like mechanical things, audio stuff especially because it affords me opportunity to explore things which are both mechanical and electrical. Looks are great and important but real value is my thing. Rolex doesn’t hit my value button. I have 2 different dive watches, both compact, one less so. One is a chronometer, one not, but both keep excellent time. The chrono, on a winder, loses maybe a minute every 3 to 4 months. The other maybe a minute per month on the wrist. Needless to say, I’d sell the Rolex, it just ain’t that pretty (to me). I work the same way with audio stuff as well as cars. High quality but ’value’ floats my boat (which I no longer have). :-) |
@motown-l I find my iPhone isn’t sufficient, because I prefer to keep it away from me if I’m not on the road. I also prefer to wear my watch while I sleep and keep my iPhone far away from me due to increased levels of radiation. I don’t even take my phone to shopping or even restaurant for dinner. The less exposure, the more life. Ez formula to remember. Wearing circular metal or magnet around wrist is healthy while carrying or wearing cell-phone or AppleWatch on the wrist isn’t. As to 75" OLED I don't even need it for free. Have a couple that hadn't been turned on since the time they were purchased. |
It's not what I enjoy matters. It's my way of securing funds. No I do not secure funds onto audio equipment and therefore posted some query to see what's reasonable to add as an audio component that will be equivalent to holding value of Rolex. I was always literally DREAMING of owning Marantz Model 9 amp. That one is kinda Rolex in audio. |
IMHO there's nothing basically flawed with the concept of owning something that represents one of the best examples of human technical competance and art. Having a practical purpose (telling you what time it is) and having an element of portability (you can take it with you almost anywhere) reinforces the "logic" behind owning a high end timepiece. Some of us reach retirement age with the prospect of "this, AND this", where the selection of material things and indulgences is without compromise. Most mortals arrive at that threshold with the more common "this, OR this" where were presented with (sometimes agonizing) choices between who, what, when, where, and why. We had to put down a beautiful creature a few months back. I would have traded a $70k hot rod in the garage in the blink of an eye to get a "warranty extension" on this little guy. It's not just what we enjoy that matters. It's our ability TO enjoy it. If your hearing is still intact, go ahead and throw some money at really good hifi gear, and don't look back (as long as it sounds better). I have a "practice pole" stored horizontally in my garage. It's a good tool to develop your pole vaulting skills. Being a dinged up 73-year-old is not compatible with senior track and field. But, it looks cool in my garage, next to the empty Old Engine Oil beer bottle. It makes me (and others) smile. It's not for sale. I'll close with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsmHXCKQzXE
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@inna I don't discriminate models at all The one I have right now I got on good situation and deal. Another similar one comes in, I'll get it Whether it will be Patek or Frank Mueller. I don't like dollars or banks anymore |
I must say that between my speakers playing music i listen the news and there is only one hour indicated on my watch: midnight exactly... The only watch i want by the way is the miniaturized Antikythera Mechanism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTsCx0E7YkA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k396J-slHaU A rolex is too cheap for me and way less expansive and the hour indicated by any watch will be the same on earth really soon it seems...😊 This mechanism discovery changed history and give us a snippet about our own past ignorance... And a glimpse in some Archimedes genius or in some of his disciples...
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I have my cell to annoy me with the daily drudge of time. I cannot 'make time', regardless of how often or one demands I should. I am like anyone else, another trapped in the amber that inexorably hardens about one, eventually rendering how it was spent meaningless. Forgotten in a short interval except by the few who have the same fate, lost in the millennia, that which erases all....Me, you, everyone and everything you love, hate, know of, clueless of.... History vagues; becomes a story, a myth, a rumour, a tale told by an idiot around the dying fire... The star explodes, the planet bbq'd......orbits decay, infinity wins, but only for it's while...
...and I'm supposed to be impressed or awed of a watch. I'll agree. it's nice. The Armani suit? Ditto... The SOTA x120% audio items? Yup, kewl.... sure that it sounds absolutely Wonderful. I'll likely never have the opportunity for the experience of the pleasure. Nor will you have to suffer through what I enjoy, far be it from SOTA.... ...and the current space it's in? Atrocious....*LOL* "One runs what ones' brung..." ...and there's a certain level of satisfaction in that. I wish y'alls' yours.... J |
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I’m a watch geek and collect whatever I find to be interesting and a good value. All automatics. A new Rolex currently requires a long wait if ordering one, and they’re very expensive these days. Interestingly they produce around a million watches a year with one of the least expensive men’s models still around 8 grand or so. Do the math. Pateks are mostly pretty ugly to me (a nice chronometer came out a couple of years ago, almost as expensive as a new Rolex Dytona) but great history anyway. Chronometers (I have a few designated as such) generally do keep better time it seems. I also have great sounding audio gear, none of which is particularly expensive. And yeah, generally nobody cares about that, and rarely do I meet another watch collector. |
I don't wear mine normally and worn them only few times, but do shake the automatic movement every so often. I do however normally wear daily Swiss Army Ambassador ($6...700 when new) that does have sentimental value. That one had stopped the minute I've received the final call from hospital about my father...
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@mitch2 - yeah, I know what you mean about ties; I don't know if I'd remember how to tie one! I used to have some nice Jerry Garcia ones, though... |
@larsman - I agree they have become more like jewelry and I know some still wear them regularly, just like suits and ties, but times have indeed changed thanks to computers and Covid. I used to wear ties 3-4 times/week and I cannot remember the last time I wore one - I bet only a few times since my daughter was married in Nov ’19. Maybe I will get my watch out and wear it tomorrow. Anyone want to buy some nice ties? |
@mitch2 - Expensive watches are basically jewelry; they're not there purely for the telling of time; they make a statement, so I don't think they're going away anytime soon. . |
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Watches are cool, but unfortunately have gone the way of the phonebook, typewriters, and the CRT television. I do not have a Rolex 2-tone Daytona, but I do have a nice automatic watch and send it in every few years for a $300 cleaning, etc. I seldom wear it except every once in a while to some fancy shindig, or to reminisce. If I were a scuba diver, I might wear it more often. I would not sell or trade it, certainly not for stereo stuff or even bike parts, because it was a gift from loved ones for a significant event. It is rugged, keeps time just fine, and I used to wear it every day but now I have a phone, which works great for telling time, and as a stopwatch, and for other things. An Apple watch is a phone you can wear on your wrist so I do not consider that a watch, not like the Daytona is a watch. Same for a Garmin watch, which is a GPS that sporting people wear on their wrists. I have no inclination to wear a phone, or a GPS, on my wrist. My phone works just fine as a phone, among other things, and the GPS I use on my bike works fine for GPS-type functions, and a bevy of other stuff, including interfacing with the radar. As a result, I run around without watches or jewelry and, given the clothes I mostly wear, my wife would probably tell you people mistake me for a pauper. |
I think so....Music is better with candles or at least Himalayan salt lamp...No watches survey when listening... My best to you
I had bitten only my wife one time but she come from Medusa daughters lineage and i was transformed in some living stone... I bit no more...Nobody ever died anyway save vampires... 😊 I apologize and will stay quiet to not disturb your thread... 😁
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Hello @mahgister, Yes my good friend! Candles are positively absolutely hands down without doubt a requirement. *Accent essential lighting* at perhaps the finest of “midnight” hour listening sessions certainly is a must. LED’s … well, personally believe they’re not meant to be masked over and or EGR Delete modification’s performed for the sake of distracting a potential listener. The more blue & green Light Emitting Diodes designed specifically as a trade mark ““cosmetically speaking of course, in theory”” may hold a smidgen of mass appeal. Again (perhaps) Harvest Blue / Gather Green. Amber though & for whatever reason has this un-canning ability of breaking down entree doors with ease, finding angles effortlessly …. Four hinge Five & two dead bolts, no problema ;-) |
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A great french scholar wrote a book called "the flame of a candle " Gaston Bachelard... I think that the "flame of candle " is even better that an hourglass to go out of time and flow with it... Then a candlestick can help us to reach immortality consciousness...
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An hourglass is to a watch what the world is to a book... We read the book of the world without knowing that it is the only book we are in and reading it at the same times... We dont look at a number indicating an abstract hour with an hourglass as with a watch , we flow ourself with time, knowing that we can also "stop" time by reversing the hourglass with an act of free will... Then time may come back to his source... Time become a superstition as the world itself become an idolatry if we forget that we read them as we wish it at the end ...
«The fact that my wife wait for me for dinner is not the result of any superstition but certainly result from some form of well placed idolatry»-- Groucho Marx 🤓 |
To stick on the Thread matter, i only buy pocket watch because i cannot put anything around my wrist, it annoy me...😁 And i buy the best value : chinese 1 bucks battery pocket watch from aliexpress...I stick one on my bike and i put another in my pocket...😁 Watch as dac are sometimes very overpriced.... The only watchs i really like are hourglass models... They can be more expansive than rolex...😊 One hourglass from the Medicis or from Leonardo Da Vinci for example... To see time flowing we need an hourglass...I prefer one hour duration hourglass then big one... |
Disregarding personal likes and obsessions, IMHO, a two tone daytona will hold its value better. Also, depending on the exact model, and its particular provenance, the daytona will appreciate more and more quickly than most if not all stereo components. In general, again IMHO, stereo components, like most cars, are depreciating assets. There are tricks and procedures, though, hence the hobby. |