What did I do??

I had a brief stint with on OB design by EP.

corelli,

What was it you liked and did not like about the OB design by EP?
The reason I’m asking is I’m trying to make an informed decision on buying the Spatial Audio’s M6 Sapphire's or something else.


Thanks

dramatictenor
I will say that I find Wilson speakers to be shouty and can’t listen to them for more than about 15 minutes.

Interesting. I own a pair older Wilson speakers - with the extremely revealing Focal 1" inverted-dome titanium coated tweeters. Driven by a tube preamp with a Class A solid state amp. While listening this evening to digital streaming, I was really enjoying the great SQ - smooth, full-bodied, and clear. Not even a hint of shouty.

This is the result of cleaning up the power to my system. High performance requires high octane.

I have always wanted to hear some Tektons, so have no experience with their sound signature. I will say that I find Wilson speakers to be shouty and can’t listen to them for more than about 15 minutes. Not a sound presentation that appeals to me. 
While I hope you will be satisfied with your decision, if you are not, just keep moving. They will find a good home even if not yours. 

"I trust end user reviews more than only of those people because end users don't get paid to review the speaker!!! No matter how many times you say they are shills they aren't getting paid."....who said  anything about money being exchanged for promoting products on this site getting gulable people to believe fiction over fact....i think its more like free speakers signed by the owner of the company for shill services rendered....oooh wait there arent shills on this site,lmao

ghdprentice

plus1 for sure!

I have been upgrading my systems and reading professional reviews for nearly fifty years; The Absolute Sound and Stereophile. During that time I have auditioned probable hundreds of components and purchased many dozens before and after hearing them. I have made out of town trips to audition new and really high end equipment. Additionally, I worked hard and learned the vocabulary and strove to identify sonic qualities in sound and components.

With this backdrop, I can say with certainty, professional reviews are relatively unbiased an extremely accurate. Professional reviewers explain their own preferences and biases.. show the different pieces of equipment they have used in the auditioning, used standard audiophile vocabulary. In general, they are extremely good at being unbiased. Yes, they are human… but there are processes of editor review to help keep reviews unbiased and make them informative.

On the other hand in forums, there is no vetting, no minimum experience requirement, no standard terminology. Some folks think the whole thing is a joke and a $100 component that cost $40,000 sound the same… although they have never seen one, let alone listen to one. Some folks think a $10K system is expensive, some think anything under $100K is terrible. Some love good deals.. etc.

So the value brought here has to be evaluated in a single reply (unless you spend a lots of time here and know some of the frequent posters. So a comment like “Buy X and be done with it is useless”. Within a post you must establish your credibility, identify your experience, biases, and tastes so the reader can decide if the comment is a valuable one to them. This is why I have my systems show and try to establish my credentials and not spread untrue conspiracy theories about companies motives.

Awesome!  Can't wait to hear what you think.

I think it's so funny reading people talking about finding speakers HAS to be done by listening to demos.  That means you will only ever hear speakers that have been marked up by the manufacturer and the dealer, speakers that are only represented in your local area (which is close to nothing in most markets nowadays).

If I or anyone else likes a speaker and talks about their personal experience, they are a paid schill.  If a magazine or online reviewer (where LOTS of people have got info to buy speakers for decades) that depends on ad revenue posts a review then it's okay?  I trust end user reviews more than only of those people because end users don't get paid to review the speaker!!!  No matter how many times you say they are shills they aren't getting paid.

I love the DTC market, it's helped smaller manufacturers to be successful and we save money buying direct.

Moabs will be here tomorrow.  HA. 

@dill, 'slap fight' over where one posts from or ones' spouse(s) is the grist of that...

The former, one really can't do much about unless changes were made at some point...right? *S*

One spouse is one's own problem, of which nobody here of right mind should even try to 'solve' in any fashion other than understanding and understated humor....darkness lurks there....

Our OP posed a query:  Happy? Or not so...?

I wish the former, but know the Other can ruin ones' Day One and those afterwards.  Locale narrows to The Room, the SAF pending...*shrug*G*

Testimonials on site such as this are worth exactly what is paid. Just as likely to encounter shills on chatrooms as you are corrupt/confused/inept reviewers. The more information quickly available the less valuable the information.

I cannot believe MC didn’t say this. Take your $1k-$2k and buy the Townshend podiums.

Goes without saying.

If you aren't disappointed then be ready for people thinking you are millercarbon or a paid shill......Why would you ask this after youve already done the deal?..you ask before doing the crime..pretty stupid for anyone to take this post seriously .come on another worthless tekton post, so your right

Well my limited experience with Tekton was positive but not really anything revelatory. Sound exactly like the sum of their parts. Owner/designer of Tekton seems like a tool.

I used to hate WIlsons but think the newer models sound much better. A great deal has to do with which tweeter were in your Wilsons and what you feed them. 

The Tektons will be much easier to drive. Hope you made a positive move but I have never bought a speaker without extended listening first. As a dealer a I am finding it very difficult to choose a speaker line.

Hello,
I cannot believe MC didn’t say this. Take your $1k-$2k and buy the Townshend podiums. He will give you the model and size. He said that the Moabs with the Townshend are better than the upgraded Tekton speakers without the Townshend. Something to that nature. I have not experienced the Townshend just IsoAcoustic Gaia. What my friends say when they isolate their speakers. They were surprised by how much of a difference it made. As far as your Wilsons. It’s done. No need to look back unless you can undo the deal. If you love the JBL 100. I can only imagine how you will feel after the 500 hour break in on the Moabs. Get a bass break in cd that plays low or moves the drivers. You can say money wise the Tekton are the week link in his system. He has a $10k TT. So sonically, I don’t think so. He can afford better, he just doesn’t need to. I hope this helped. 

@millercarbon,

So, you're telling me it is perfectly ok to trust buyer testimonials as to doing an actual in depth audition?

Maybe you should do a opinion poll thread on that. I think we know what the outcome of that will be

Yep, false economy, rent free...

How does one read a 'slap fight'? I do agree that slap fights are boring.
So, you are from where you is?

...and it's boring to read a 'slap fight'.....

We are from where we is....

Interesting tsushima1, why did you delete your post earlier today and then re-post the same thing above?

 - Take it with a grain of salt, after all tsushima1 is from across the pond.

“ My wife by the way, was pleasantly surprised. And several other women who have seen them think they look just fine. “

Well... taking into consideration that your wife in some part chose yourself as a mate . We may safely discount any and all of her sensibilities...

@ blkwrxwgn    Yes, what a shame.  There are some great members on this site-----and a few that focus destructive rather than constructive posts.  In any event, feel free to PM me if I might be of assistance to you.  I am curious to hear your thoughts on your current speakers and what you are looking for.  I had a brief stint with on OB design by EP.  Ultimately, they were were replaced by Tekton Electron SE's. Much like my DI's, these have been able to afford me something that is too often elusive in this hobby--contentment.  

Suspect the OP is in for a pleasant surprise.  

@ghasley
Perhaps your wife wanted a challenge when she married you…did she succeed?

@MC
You’re fortunate to have a approving wife.

@bill_peloquin
Your OP seems to ask us what your personal preferences are in the future (when the Tekton is hooked up) which is unanswerable. But your later post describing what you like/dislike about the Wilsons gave me a clue to what you’re looking for. I would guess you’ll find the Tektons to be more musical to your liking. 

Well considering you already seem disappointed with the Wilsons there's "no way to go but up" and you already like the Tekton sound...so you probably made a good move. 

Take it with a grain of salt, after all tsushima1 is from across the pond.

@tsushima1 

Holy moly! I fully recognize that my wife married down in the world when she picked me but man, that's harsh.

@mglik 
Not only the ear of designer. It represents the skill far more than ear. Not always playing by ear works and sometimes you need to read sheet music.

The speakers you have now, did you listen to them at home before buying?   

Rhetorical question, nevermind, of course you didn't.   

Y'all can say what you want, it's a free country, but my whole system is comprised of components 100% of which were bought without audition.  
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367  

Read the system comments posted by people who actually heard it. Tell me again about this false economy. 

Y'awl can do what you want, it's a free country, but in my estimation it's false economy to purchase a speaker you have not auditioned.

Maybe they are designed for exactly who it says they are designed for on the website: audiophiles who want the very best sound they can possibly afford. Not collectors of Faberge Eggs and Architectural Digest decorations.

My wife by the way, was pleasantly surprised. And several other women who have seen them think they look just fine.

Tekton are designed with an admirably form follows function aesthetic. Oh and yes, they sound so good I would be happy even if they were as ugly as a Wilson. Which thank God they are not.

I believe that a line of speakers represents the ear of the designer.
That is, what do they think music sounds like. And are they able to translate that knowledge into a speaker design. And by doing so create a full line of speakers which all sound like what he/she hears.
I would very much like to hear Tekton speakers. I am sure they are very dynamic and, it seems, Eric does have a great ear.
Unfortunately, his eyes do not jibe. Big boxes with many drivers seem very hard to live with. For sure, there are many strange looking speakers. But, mostly, they are designed with a serious eye toward acceptable or, even, artistic cosmetic. And form following function. I think about the big Wilson’s. Or the MBLs. But the Vivids??
Obviously, those put a lot of $$ into the cosmetic. Are Tektons so good as to one getting to like the look? Seems a bridge too far. And the wife would never agree.
Are Tektons designed to only go into man caves?

😟I feel sorry...🤣

I've never liked any models of Wilson speakers on how they sound so you've probably made good choice.

@twoleftears 

“I know of a Yugo you might also be interested in.”

He’s already gone for a 1960’s Trabant  

"My first rule is never sell a speaker before trying the new one!"  (Yogi)

Absolutely!!!!!!

Based upon the OP's description and goals the Moabs should be a good choice.  I don't think he will be disappointed.

I know of a Yugo you might also be interested in.

You have successfully reduced your cost per driver, bringing it down to a new low. That is undebatable.  :) 

@bill_peloquin, 
Congratulations!
Two very different speakers in terms of design and philosophical approach.  Moabs could be a better match with your listening space.
I'm interested to read what you hear and discover between the two. 
Charles 

Congrats! Sounds like you are on the right path for you !!!! Enjoy them in good health 

Your reading is quite good then, better than most for sure. Considerable subtlety combined with sheer impact is an intoxicatingly spellbindingly heady mix.   

bill_peloquin,
I've had my Moabs over a year now. Hadn't heard them or any Tekton at the time they were ordered, it was all based off reviews and owner comments. Now having them more than a year I have no regrets and am happier than ever. Some months ago around their one-year anniversary I called Eric who as usual was real busy. No worries I said just calling to let you know happier than ever with my Moabs!  

Your reasoning about the Lore and 2 vs 17 is spot on. Got a friend here with Enzo XL, they have the same captivating involving open type sound as my Moabs. I have now heard both his and mine driven different ways, enough to be sure what is speaker and what is not. Tekton are the real deal. You are gonna be one happy camper.

Now that you’ve explained the back story I think you will be thrilled with Moabs. Big space to fill with mid level tube power means the larger box with more cone area will deliver big improvements in bass slam and overall sonic impact. Your early formative ownership of L100s tells me that you are conditioned to prefer a more dynamic presentation. But by my reading Moabs also possess considerable subtlety to go with their sheer impact. So they may be your perfect solution. 

The fact that you are asking tells me yes you will. You are falling into the trap that when you receive your new speakers instead of enjoying them for what they do to the music they produce you are going to try and find anything you can to be critical. Never forget that this hobby should be about the music and your love of the music. Once you start having an affaire with your system behind  music’s back you will never be happy!

OK,  I bought the Sophia Series II used from a dealer in So CAL about 4 years ago. Paid $4000 plus my 24 year old B&M 804 Matrix speakers.

I had that system in my office which is a size of a 2 car garage, 8 ft ceilings.  I decided I would like to move the system to my big living room, 18 x 40 high ceilings.  The Wilsons were great running off of 75WPC tube power.

Over time I found myself not turning on my HiFi. I felt the Wilsons were not musical and too accurate.  If that is a real thing.

In the meantime I bought a second home and I needed a stereo up there. I bought Tekton Lore Reference for $800 (in stock) and a PrimaLuna integrated. I have that system on all day every day when I am there. I find that system way more engaging and musical, especially at low listening levels.

In order for me to get some bass out of my Sophias I had to crank it up. It was in a large room and that is OK most of the time. I found I had better bass response when I was in the NEXT room, crazy huh?

SO I decided I am not married to the Sophias and if I could make a buck or two and get some money OUT of my system why not. I have the Moabs on a FedEx truck now and they will be here Wednesday I am being told.  

I put $1000 or $2000 in my pocket, depends if you thought the B&W speakers had any value left after 24 years or rocking out.  Also, my ears were trained on my old JBL L 100 Century speakers in the early 70's. I guess it is like old guys and old cars. I bet these Moabs will be a kick ass speaker.  I never heard them in my life. But if what they can do with just 2 speakers each in my Lore Reference speakers I am hopeful that with 17 speakers in each cabinet I will be entertained. 

We will see. 

Wish you would have sold the Wilson Sophia Speakers to me.  I’m still waiting for the KEF speakers I ordered.

All the best.

I remember when I dumped my smart girlfriend for a prettier one. What an awful choice THAT was...

I, like many other readers will be interested in:
why? did you compare them in your listening space? which Sophia?
what are your musical preferences?What is the rest of your sysytem?
I look forward to the followup!
thx
J

Oh Dear!

If op is serious, and for some reason I am not so sure, he is more than likely to be disappointed in more ways than one. 
To compare a Tekton to a Patek is absurd. More relevant comparison would be to Invicta. Invicta  has a Facebook page too.

@MC
Don't get me started on  Patek Phillippe

How many months are we up to these days? As we say on the FB Owner's Group, it is like the Patek-Phillippe ad: You never really own a Tekton, you just order it for the next generation.