What did I do??
TIMELINE..10/01..today i sold my Wilson speakers...ordered Tektons.......10/02..states the tektons are on fed ex truck being delivered......10/05....gives review of speakers.....What happened to months of backorders and delays to get speakers...What happened to 100s of hours for breakin according to manufacture .......shill shill shill |
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The OP, on 10-5: Here is my last entry to this post. I set up the Moab speakers today. I been running them for about 4 hours. True to his word, he has not posted since. And now, here is my last entry to this thread: Wow. You people are pathetic human beings. If only those who pride themselves on being here so long could see themselves as others see them. |
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I stand by my initial observation: OP clearly had money problems. Which perfectly normal. Human being. Keep in mind, confirmation bias works both ways. You get the gist I bet they would sound great on a PrimaLuna Integrated at 36 WPC. I should sell my expensive AR gear and put more money in my pocket. |
Three days ago the OP said this: " Here is my last entry to this post. I set up the Moab speakers today. I been running them for about 4 hours. No, they are not broken in No, they are not the same as the Wilsons. What did I get? First impressions are: Bigger sound stage All the instruments are still there when I turn them down. No fatigue from the speakers, yet. More bass, effortless. Midrange is very natural. I am no longer looking down when playing music. I am looking up! I have AR Ref 3 pre amp, Ref 75 power amp, DSA Phono 1 pre amp. VPI Classic 1 table. Wyred4Sound 10th anniversary DAC. I am not a reviewer. You can tell because I do not have the language to reveal what I am hearing. But right now I have my Pre amp at level 7. that right 7. It goes up to what? 70 right. I am in the kitchen the next room and I can hear everything. These speakers do not need big power. I bet they would sound great on a PrimaLuna Integrated at 36 WPC. I should sell my expensive AR gear and put more money in my pocket. Bass, I use Lyle Lovette's She Already Made Up Her Mind as a test track. There are some really low bass notes and then there is a LOWER note that my Wilson's whould only show me a HIGH listening levels. This tells me that they want more power than 75WPC of tube power. Probably 150WPC of Solid State class AB power amp. The music just flows out and is warm in my system. It could be wires and all tubes but I like it. If I want to cool it off I could do some tube rolling later. In the meantime I will let the speakers break in, get my spikes installed and work on position. ( Put them right where the Wilson's were, I taped the rug). So, some of you were interested in my opinion. Others are not. I am keeping these speakers. They will only get better from here and I like here so, I cut up the boxes. Good bye." - Maybe it is time to put a period on this thread. |
So people can formulate such strong opinions on two speakers they haven't heard in his listening room and then question his outcome? How is that even reasonably possible? At the very least don't you to have to hear something in order to assess the sound quality or is extraordinary extrapolation all that's required? Charles |
@khughes "So good luck to the OP on his choice. If they make him happy then that’s all that matters ". Agree! Why do people have to constantly project their own tastes and biases? Sure, some would prefer the Wilson Sophia and surely some would opt for the Moabs. Why can’t we simply respect the decision of @bill_peloquin and appreciate that he’s happy? Good grief! Charles . |
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@pinwa, The W/P 7 doesn't sound terribly similar to the Sophia II (the OP id'ed the series in a later post). I auditioned a used pair of 7's when I auditioned my Sophia II's. The W/P is more dynamic for sure (the OP would almost certainly like them better than he did the Sophias) but is, to my ears, hollow sounding in the mids and highs, and as one poster cited, a bit shouty. Works great on select music, but doesn't suit my taste on most. The Sophia II has none of these characteristics and I've been very happy with mine for a dozen years now (replaced B&W Matrix 802 S2's now in my office). Never heard any Tektons and don't really care to because unlike MC, I find them to be fugly and a half, and I'm satisfied with my system as is. The OP wasn't happy with his Sophias so selling them makes sense to me. I just couldn't bring myself to buy speakers sound unheard as it were, they are just too idiosyncratic for that IMO. Yes the room makes a difference, but I've heard many speakers that couldn't sound good - to me - no matter what room they were in. So good luck to the OP on his choice. If they make him happy then that's all that matters. |
I had a pair of Sophias (for a few long weeks). I did not like them. Took a drive North. Heard Millercarbon’s system- first the Talons, then the Tektrons- and, loved them! Chucks knows how to get the best sound out of his equipment. So, OP, be patient, I think you’ll be glad you took the plunge. Keep us posted. |
What is wrong with people? @mijostyn assuming he made a mistake when he said he loves the speakers? Why does him liking another speaker make you feel so inadequate? I still don't get why people do this. Have you heard the Moabs? Have you heard them in his room against the Sophia? Then stfu and move on! Let the man be happy with his purchase. |
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If all you want is loud than the Moab is for you. The Sophia is a much more refined loudspeaker. The difference in detail and imaging should be startling. The Sophia is way better constructed. The Moabs are the cheapest possible construction. You are not alone, I have made similar mistakes in the past. Experience is the best teacher. |
@bill_peloquin Congratulations, Bill. Wonderful to hear that you are enjoying them. They will improve with time. Miller's advice to isolate will also deliver. Isoacoustic GAIAs are an option; Townshend Podiums a step above. I am keeping these speakers. They will only get better from here and I like here so, I cut up the boxes. |
Can we assume the OP traded in a pair of Sophia generation one speakers worth maybe 4 grand on a good day?.....so its a big deal these Tektons we are celebrating preformed as good or better than a speaker that was up graded 2 times and then finally discontinued many years ago?..bravo..what an accomplishment .job well done lmao |
You wanted more sound just not more quality sound while at the same time saving some money, I can kind of see why you did what you did. Bigger sound does not mean better sound. You might be able to fill your room with sound, what does that mean? Will you be able to hear individual instruments, a good soundstage, delineation, air around each instrument? Probably not. You could have traded in your Wilson’s for a bigger better pair of Wilson’s that would be better for your room and would sounded much better than your current purchase, so I’m guessing you mainly wanted to save money, so in this case, I would have purchased 4 apple HomePods with a couple subs. |
@steakster I definitely need to play around with the positioning. And the fact that they only take spades meant none of my existing speaker cables worked and I still need to optimize that. And the speakers didn't come with spikes so they are flush with the carpet which makes them easier to move around but that can't be optimal for the sound. Obviously, I bought the Watt Puppy 7's in the hope that they would be better than the Moabs and I still haven't ruled that out. |
OP: Congratulations on finding speakers that bring out the best of your music. Enjoy! @pinwa When your Wilsons are properly dialed in, the music will float in 3D space - with a wide & deep sound stage. ½” makes a significant difference. It’s that time alignment thing. These furniture sliders are great for repositioning – discovered by @tvad. Moving them out from the wall also helps a lot. Thinner, less dense SQ might be a cabling issue. |
I have owned the Moabs with BE tweeters and upgraded capacitors for ten months now. Fabulous speakers and they will improve for about 100 hours of burn in. I have had a bunch of other speakers in my system and the Moabs were better than all of them but I haven't had significantly more expensive speakers so a couple of months ago I went and listened to the Wilson Sasha DAWs. Those were the first speakers I have heard that were definitely better than the Moabs. They are also $38K. In the hope of finding a similar improvement for much less money, I recently purchased the Wilson Watt Puppy 7s. I have had those set up in my second system for a couple of weeks now. I don't think I have them really dialed in yet. I think the sound of the Watt Puppy's is actually quite close to the Moabs. They seem to have a bit more detail but at the cost of a thinner, less dense sound and a smaller sound stage. So far I still prefer the Moabs but as I said, I don't think I have the Watt Puppy's in their final position. I have no idea how the Watt Puppy's compare to the Sophia's. I will say I didn't like the Sabrina's at all. It doesn't surprise me to learn that you prefer the Moabs to the Sophia's. All the Tekton haters on hear seem to love to vehemently share their opinions without having any real basis for them. The Moabs, in particular, are excellent speakers and a remarkable value. |
Yes but Blackhawk not Reflection. Probably nowhere near as good but pretty darn good for the money and also nowhere near as expensive so all in all I'm happy. 20W with Moab is plenty, that's for sure! We had a bunch over recently and I was able to hear a 37wpc SET amp with my Moabs, and then the same amp/preamp with his Tekton Pendragon XL, so I now have good experience with two different Tekton speakers and they are remarkably similar. Brandon has upgraded his crossovers similar to mine and so pretty soon I will have a good comparison on that as well. They are similarly easy to enjoy and definitely do things other speakers cannot touch. And would you believe, of all the people to not cut the boxes up, mine are still in one piece. Rent free. Heh. |
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Here is my last entry to this post. I set up the Moab speakers today. I been running them for about 4 hours. No, they are not broken in No, they are not the same as the Wilsons. What did I get? First impressions are: Bigger sound stage All the instruments are still there when I turn them down. No fatigue from the speakers, yet. More bass, effortless. Midrange is very natural. I am no longer looking down when playing music. I am looking up! I have AR Ref 3 pre amp, Ref 75 power amp, DSA Phono 1 pre amp. VPI Classic 1 table. Wyred4Sound 10th anniversary DAC. I am not a reviewer. You can tell because I do not have the language to reveal what I am hearing. But right now I have my Pre amp at level 7. that right 7. It goes up to what? 70 right. I am in the kitchen the next room and I can hear everything. These speakers do not need big power. I bet they would sound great on a PrimaLuna Integrated at 36 WPC. I should sell my expensive AR gear and put more money in my pocket. Bass, I use Lyle Lovette's She Already Made Up Her Mind as a test track. There are some really low bass notes and then there is a LOWER note that my Wilson's whould only show me a HIGH listening levels. This tells me that they want more power than 75WPC of tube power. Probably 150WPC of Solid State class AB power amp. The music just flows out and is warm in my system. It could be wires and all tubes but I like it. If I want to cool it off I could do some tube rolling later. In the meantime I will let the speakers break in, get my spikes installed and work on position. ( Put them right where the Wilson's were, I taped the rug). So, some of you were interested in my opinion. Others are not. I am keeping these speakers. They will only get better from here and I like here so, I cut up the boxes. Good bye. |
