I’ve hung around Audiogon for several years, have enjoyed it, and have learned alot. I find the forum discussions to be interesting and entertaining.
There were two threads that were recently removed by a "moderator". The first was the one regarding ASR featuring the one and only Amir. It ran for a long time and had well over one thousand posts. Then one day it’s magically gone. The second thread was entitled What will you not buy? and had gone on for a few/several days. It had over three-hundred posts and then earlier today it went away.
This is Audiogon’s site and they can do with it what they wish. If I’m unhappy I’m free to go. I’m okay with that. Here is my interest: who is Audiogon? It seems to be a mystery. There is absolutely no editorial voice, no communication with the administrators/officers/owners etc. Other forums that I visit have some dialogue between the members and the powers that be. T
To quell this curiosity I did a bit of online searching and found out a few things like the presidents name, location, number of employees, etc. This was all third party information; I found no presence at all from Audiogon. Again it’s their business and none of mine. But curiosity killed the cat and likely this thread will suffer the same fate. Anyone else find this interesting or unusual?
This has been brought up before for the very same reasons you’ve cited. I’ve been told that it’s run out of Texas and to just take it from there to its logical conclusion.
When I first came aboard, there was constant trolling of anything just left of center to the point where it was accepted banter, something that "adults" engage in. When I pointed it out, I was the one accused of being political. Some here are gonna be pissed off that I mentioned it but it’s the truth. Go back, take a gander, and get back to me on that.
Too bad it wasn’t still in effect now that Biden’s the president. Some here think this is their personal sand box and are the first to go running to the mods when their thin skin gets exposed to sunlight. Bless their hearts.
And yes, this thread too will go the way of the Do-Do, but at least it will flame on for a while before it does so enjoy it while you can and smoke ’en if you got ’em.
After spending some time on Audio Asylum and experiencing the lop sided moderator over there, I find Audiogon to be a breath of fresh air and pretty much even handed as far as moderation goes.
You “left of center” people needn’t be so hypocritical. The thread that was shut down was mostly Trump bashing and it was deemed fine by the powers that be.
You “left of center” people needn’t be so hypocritical. The thread that was shut down was mostly Trump bashing and it was deemed fine by the powers that be.
Glad you brought that up. Back when Obama was president, the insults came in all the time and when some came to his defense, they were called out for being political. Again, it's obviously a "the law applies to thee but not to me" lame argument with those who think they own this sandbox.
Then Rump became president and we were all told here by Admin that going after the president was off limits despite his obvious crimes and abuse of power. Now he's out of office, barely a politician and more of a lightning rod, a means to an end, a ridiculous avatar and he's still given preference over our now president, Biden. Where's Admin saying hands off the president?
The other thread was deemed fine and yet that minority that resides right of center puts pressure on Admin to quell other voices, to stifle the free speech that they're so fond of parroting while not believing a word of it.
Most of us here are grown adults and take a good back and forth. Most.
We’re not a true representative democracy due to our founding fathers fear of mob mentality and yet, they’ve found a work around. It boggles the mind of other democracies around the world that someone can win millions more in the popular vote and lose by 30K votes from a few counties in 3 swing states in the Electoral College.
"mob mentality work around" is a good name for a band.
Our system is so antiquated and afraid of change, as if the Constitution is some kind of holy writ, although it's easy to cherry pick, like most religious texts.
But curiosity killed the cat and likely this thread will suffer the same fate. Anyone else find this interesting or unusual?
When i was a young nerd, I started a private audio listserv that's older than this forum or anything else i can think of...and i am also on other forums...
Hmmm, to truly understand and flow with the forums (all kinds of specimens you may encounter), ya gotta learn to not care, de-sheldonize a bit and understand the deeper cryptic meaning of this audiophile male vocals reference track.
Back in the day, it was simple and cheap to post an ad. Audiomart existed, but was basically a ghost town. Then someone got greedy, and completely complicated the process of posting an ad, while charging outlandish fee’s.
Back in the day the forum was filled with old school audiophiles that loved to share their knowledge and wisdom. Now, there are still a handful of great audiophiles who post and chime in, but pails in comparison to back then.
I rarely go through the ads on AudioGon anymore, and have certainly curtailed my participation on the forums.
I don’t know who’s running AudioGon, but in my opinion their doing a horrible job.
I'm so glad you brought up that reference as it's so apt.
One day they're traditionalists, the next originalists, and on other days, historically aligned with the times of the day. When that doesn't work, they just make stuff up.
What they always overlook is that our founding fathers envisioned us having constitutional conventions every 30 years or so so as to keep up with the changing times as it was viewed as "living law" and not written in stone. They just came from living under England where the law always evolved and had no problems with that.
It was not my intention to initiate a political discussion, but this thread has devolved in to one. We are all frustrated by the current state of affairs. It doesn't matter who you vote for. We, and much of the world, are on a steep decline. Neither party or candidate will change that. We all want pretty much the same thing, but we are seeing the "other side" as the enemy. Back in the day it was us against them. Down with "the man". Power to the people, right on. Now the man has figured out how to get us to hate one another. We are effectively disenfranchised. It doesn't matter who you vote for, things will continue in a downward direction. United we stand, divided we fall. This thread and the deleted one show that if we are not totally fallen, we are staggering on the shakiest of legs. I feel so sorry for the mess we are leaving the younger generation and I don't know how they are gonna reverse the status quo. Do you?
I don't think I would buy boutique power cords. Yet I just found in my closet Acoustic Zen Tsunami and Signal Cable power cords I forgot I had. So I guess in the past I did buy them.
It was not my intention to initiate a political discussion, but this thread has devolved in to one. We are all frustrated by the current state of affairs. It doesn't matter who you vote for. We, and much of the world, are on a steep decline. Neither party or candidate will change that. We all want pretty much the same thing, but we are seeing the "other side" as the enemy. Back in the day it was us against them. Down with "the man". Power to the people, right on. Now the man has figured out how to get us to hate one another. We are effectively disenfranchised. It doesn't matter who you vote for, things will continue in a downward direction. United we stand, divided we fall. This thread and the deleted one show that if we are not totally fallen, we are staggering on the shakiest of legs. I feel so sorry for the mess we are leaving the younger generation and I don't know how they are gonna reverse the status quo. Do you?
By any chance, have you watched any news today on the Supreme Cults last decision of the year? I think you'd take most of what you said back if you did.
I don't think I would buy boutique power cords. Yet I just found in my closet Acoustic Zen Tsunami and Signal Cable power cords I forgot I had. So I guess in the past I did buy them.
@simao , time to plug them into something and try them out!
If the basic law keeps evolving all the time does it have any real meaning and weight ? Freedom of speech can have only one meaning - you have the right to say anything to anyone anywhere. Audiogon has no legal right to restrict it. Whether you exercise your right or not is up to you.
If anyone thinks it's a downward trajectory mess here take a look at what's been happening in France. Or is it to France ? Either way that is truly scary, and potentially even more so.
@innayes, audiogon as a private company can censor and restrict speech all it wants without violating the First Amendment, would stay that only the government shall not a bridge free speech. audiogon will only run into trouble and so on can prove theyre restricting speech based on racial or other discriminatory practices
@deep_333+1000 (although, I think Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer or Minnesota U.S. Senator Amy Klobuchar are a few other ladies who could save the day)
“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”
Enact strict no political or religious posts which entails much more moderation....hence why some threads last longer than others. (Tammy was on vacation.)
Or add a "mosh pit" section where anything goes. The jetsam and the flotsam and the froth.
Or Audiogon sponsors a Woodstock just for white guys over 50.
I just had a post deleted -my first- and while I’m biased I considered it pointed but innocuous. The ‘form letter’ reasoning said nothing that applied to the post. There must be some real snow flakes posting here that can’t tolerate any thing that questions their priors.
Our political parties have failed us. Our choices a 77 yr. old, convicted criminal in Traitor I make no sense Trump and an 81 yr. old mumblin, and stumblin Joe. I’m sitting this one out for the first time in over 60 years.
Other than the occasional discussion veering off the rails into politics, I find Audiogon to be the best forum on the web. Moderation seems pretty even handed, and the collective expertise is quite high. If your posts are pulled on a regular basis, look in the mirror.
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