I finally stopped...


...when I treated my room after decades of making excuses.


...when finally I had had enough cables to stare at. 


...When I finally broke down and bought my dream speakers; a pair of Legacy Whispers XDS speakers which was part serendipity and part irony as part of my reasoning for getting them is that I heard at THE Show during CES...well that and a pair is equipped with 4 x 15” woofers across two sandwiched vertical open baffles per speaker and sports a.built-in 500wpc ICE amps to power just the 4x15s in each speaker I thought it would be funny to taunt my best buddy Mike by buying the one speaker he mentions like it’s his personal and yet elusive Moby Dick. I had been interested in open baffle from watching New Record Day YouTube videos and I nearly bought some Spatial Audio ones when I Remembered the Whispers were open baffle. 


... BUT What really cinched it for me? Was when I added the BACCH4MAC Pro software written by Professor Chourier at Princeton University who holds ten patents on this tech and runs both the Binural 3D Audio Psycho-Acoustic & Ion propulsion Labs!


This software extracts more inner detail with a purity I’ve never experience ever in 30 years. It’s able to take any recording create a personally customized filter to your ears along with creating a customized crossover cancellation filter for just your ears.  For bonus points it even tracks my head via camera and adjusts on the fly based on my real time head movements and repositions L+R amplitude dynamically to maintain the spacious 3D image without adding anything to the tonality or timbre in the slightest.  For every 1/10th nearly imperceptible change any incremental addition or subtraction of attribute nothing will more dramatically improved the quality or sound improvement like natural 3D audio coming from only two channels that benefit both old and new stereo recordings alike is paradigm shifting and disruptive technology.  Wheather you are music lover, gearhead, love vintage stereo recordings, have a golden ear or love the purity of sound quality and unbelievable inner detail that’s so real it's spine-tingling or your interested in the recording-side theirs a Bacch4Mac  package right for you, unless you only use windows then you can buy a purpose built stand alone hardware version that provides you a turn key solution.


A) Treat your room, even if you need to divorce your spouse.  I wish I didn’t wait until I was 45 to spend $2200 of lots of absorptive room treatments which was very slap echoey. My room dimensions are only 20'x14'x8', but with twenty or so 24'x48' room treatments I am between a recording studio and audiophile heaven.


BACCH4MAC et al benefit greatly by room that isn't too lively or has lots of slap echo or early reflections or maybe you need fewer treatments because your room is so dimensionally large that early reflections don’t interfere with the direct sound quality.  


B) Put 50% or more of your budget in highly directional speakers in terms of dispersion.  Any speaker that is close to either an ideal point-source (KEF, Tammy, er al), or a highly directional dispersion, like my WhispersXDS system, spatial audio open baffle speakers equipped with a very directional horn, Tektons are also quite directional as well. Maggie's and any Ribbon Planer should also prove a  great match.  


BAACH4MAC works on anything, but certain speakers are better suited to it.


B) Buy Bacch4Mac Intro software and simply test the measurement based filters aka UBACCH filters, and that should be enough to let you convincingly know whether you want a refund or to upgrade to BACCH4MAC Audiophile or Pro edition at the end of the trial to enable you to make you're own BAACH enhanced mastered tracks by simply applying a broader crossover cancellation filter and then the output can be enjoyed anywhere. 


Edger is a very busy person so please don't flood him with a myriad of configurations and what if scenarios.  Just try the Intro software either he or a colleague will help you learn by remote training sessions.  


I'm not paid by or affiliated with Edgar, Princeton, or BACCH4MAC or Theoretica.us. I just love it because it's a dramatic sonic improvement in many ways.


Just my 2 cents.


Best Regards,


Jonathan C.

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Treat your room, even if you need to divorce your spouse.

Been there done that 👌

Treat your room, even if you need to divorce your spouse. 

The room is 50%.

The spouse is 50%.

Only one of the two plays music.

Advantage, room.

When I got to the point where I realized that the system was really good and that the incremental improvements, given cost, weren't. (I had already addressed the room, power and set up and done a fair amount of tube rolling). At this point,  I'd rather spend the money on records. Now that the record market has gotten inflated, and grading is all over the place, I'm buying records even more selectively. If I didn't buy another record, I'd still have more than my lifetime of music to listen to. 

This industry is all about "the next best thing." I stopped that a while ago--without realizing it at the time. I'm an avid reader, am very interested in developments in recording, playback, restoration, archival standards and the like, but I don't read the consumer magazines touting new equipment. Antiquarian gear is more interesting to me. But, I did the "climb" and went through decades of acquisition phases. The history is in some ways more interesting than the "future" because much of it is based on market hype. That doesn't interest me. 

My room got better after I got rid of the room treatments. What can I say?

Spouse now has her own private lair. She also essentially owns the living room.

I now enjoy my stereo enough to get off the upgrade wagon. If something breaks, of course, that's another matter. And, of course, stuff has broken over the years.

Currently sitting in my listening chair, enjoying the heck out of a Mendelssohn string quartet being streamed via Idagio. CD quality, and a big "So what?" thanks to the Idagio crew's wonderful collective set of ears.

When I moved my listening seat 1 foot forward. But I don't know how long I am off it though..

When I built a separate listening room from the house and THEN acoustically treated it. The first part took care of my wife who could care less about any of my musical tastes, and then I was able to be good to my ears. 








I stopped LONG time ago as well, but not so dramatic, not so bold and not so italic. I just stopped upgrading and started just listening to music and collecting music.

+1 @czarivey - Same for me. I just stopped all the @$#&* around and started just listening to music. I even use Spotify for my streaming, and enjoy it! Can’t remember the last time I changed anything in my room or system.


Yes, looks like I'm with the "stopped" crowd... though I must admit I'm not completely stopped because I still want to get a pair of Q Acoustics Concept 50 in my living room, to contrast with my Heresy IV... for a couple different flavors I can go back and forth.  

My gear sounds excellent, both my primary and secondary systems, after careful selection of amps and speakers, without spending too much (the Heresy were $2500/pair open box, the Marantz Ruby amp about the same) and certainly without obsessing on cables and wires, lol.  I have no need for "beyond" because I've heard a lot of systems, some waaaaayyyy more expensive but I'm not too impressed, so I've come to a point where enough is enough because really there's not that much more for me "up higher" maybe a tiny bit for a lot more money but I realize that I just don't care.  Time to enjoy what I have instead of chasing rabbits.

At this point, I spend on music, both live and otherwise.  Just walked home from the record store here in Pasadena with two new cds: a BeeGees collection and a Neil Diamond collection (yes, that's correct).  Probably could have gotten 'em on the streamer, but I still like shiny discs though I'm not willing to revert to vinyl anymore, and I'm supporting a local small business where I go to browse as I walk around town.  I support the Pasadena Symphony, with season tickets, and so on... I draw the line on Springsteen tickets that are going for $1000+ list, shame on him.


It's not an ad...(Unless you want it to be ad)


Definitely not the Advertising Dept.

Really, everyone should try it. If you're In Raleigh stop on by!


Done with upgrades for the most part but always tweaking. Swapped out OCC copper speaker wires for solid core silver with good results.

I still piddle around, but stopped chasing the wind when I found little consensus. Each audiophile point had a counterpoint(s), and the points and counterpoints had caveats. For a guy like me, likely on the spectrum, the inability to grasp anything foundational is a turn off. 

This concept sounds interesting, and I’ll likely try it when the price is considerably less. Fortunately, in order to gain a considerable market share, most products like this become more affordable and simpler to use over time, and I’m no early adopter. 

I have a living room system and a wife, and knowing that performance cannot continue to increase beyond a certain point so long as the wife and the room remain at a constant, I knew when to stop

When C-19 hit,  I slowly started adding acoustic panels and they haven’t left.

"Treat your room, even if you need to divorce your spouse."

Divorce is like winning the lottery -- in reverse!!

I did notice the noise floor lowered quite a bit when we separated.  

Jonathan,  Your lucky that your hearing is still pristine enough to enjoy every tid bit of nuance in your music.  I can't hear a travel alarm clock going off in the morning anymore.  But, I still enjoy my system, and still enjoy my Lyra Delos MC Cartridge!  Lou

"Treat your room, even if you need to divorce your spouse."

I am extremely lucky... my wife let me build a room (in the basement) specifically for 2 channel. The wall treatments, wires, glowing tubes, tweaks et alia, are now not a "factor" and she gets the HT room all to herself. Problem solved... Everyone Wins!


knowing that performance cannot continue to increase beyond a certain point

Get her in the gym, I am sure she can perform better :)

I stopped (not sure it is final, but I am OK if it is) with my last big purchase/upgrade to join the 21st century and enter the world of high-fidelity streaming.  Previous system was CD only, the amp had crapped out, and the midrange driver in one of my speakers had blown (likely a casualty of the amp problem). 

I did not want to listen to MP3s and had lost touch with high fidelity as I also transitioned into being married.  I was "doing without" (audio-wise) at the time. 

In the wake of a divorce, I decided to stop "doing without" and see if something better than MP3 was available via streaming.  My dealer (Timbre in Houston) was instrumental in helping me understand everything.  The "big purchase/upgrade" was to go active (Aktiv) with a Linn Akurate Hub and Akurate Exaktbox-I driving my existing AV5140 speakers (minus the crossovers).  Very happy with the setup, which streams Qobuz via Roon.  No regrets and no inclinations to tinker until/unless I find myself having to "do without" again for some reason.

....I kept treating my room, but it still refused to roll over and play dead....

Seems like pure analog and non computer based digital need not apply. It's better audio for non audiophiles if true.



Oh Yes, Oh yes!  The journey can be over.  When you are snuggled in your listening chair,and you settle back easy, close your eyes, and listen.

Like so many things in life the journey for whatever you are seeking can be long, complicated, and unfullfillimg but it need not be. The perfect tweeter high note or the knock it dead bass isn't somewhere off in nirvana but in the state of your mindfulness as the orchestration  of the systems reproduce the music.  Much like sex, take your pick of blonde, brunette, slim, heavy etc. etc come into mind,  What ever suits you,  and the activity is easily progression, not thinking of missing a 1/8 note here or there.but enjoying the moment you are in.  Realizing that this is good, this what I desired, this is what I enjoyed.  My ex model wife now aging (gracefully I might mention) If you dwell on the 1/8 notes or a pound too much here or there or the chapped lips need a little work, you miss the experience. My system  (not my wife, oh god no) is under $20,000 starting w/ Carver Crimson 350s. and ends w/ Carver Silver or MB Quart Vera VS 1 F.  The point being I can settle back easy, close my eyes and ........

I stopped after reading a simple comment on a board like this.  "Sooner or later you need to sit down, stop reading, stop spending and just enjoy the music."

Has anyone actually tried this or just a bunch of people who don't think it will be worth it.  I wanna try it!

With a simple speaker system that brings joy to my ears. Dynaudio Focus 30, with Limetree Lindemann streamer. 

On my death bed I will post on best integateded with small speakers in hospice. 

I'm pretty much satisfied with my system. Most importantly, it is capable of taking me on the emotional journeys that are so much a part of listening to music. I've also come to accept the fact that my piano will never be entirely in tune, and that when the weather gets too humid, certain keys might be a bit slow in returning to their rest position. Is this what old age does to you?😀

It stopped for me when I built the best system around my Nola Ko speakers. Audiolab 6000cdt, BP dac and a set amp. It took 40 years but I'm done. For now that is.

When I ran out of money, and interest in going down a rabbit hole after more. 

Right now I’m streaming from Idagio, luxuriating in the incredibly luscious sound of a string orchestra with solo violin.
Sonic paradise.

I think I’m finally stopped.

@curtdr Ya know, I truly miss Pasadena. The ethnic restaurants. The high-zoot musical instrument and stereo shops.

@rvpiano I often go to Idagio and just randomly click on something that might intrigue me. Maybe an orchestra I've never heard of playing something by a composer I've never heard of.


After just investing about 8K on a new analog setup, I find myself on Idagio most of the time.

I more or less stopped here some 20 years ago. Scroll to the bottom for the system description:

Minor tweaks here ‘n there, maintenance. That’s it.

I think wharts comments sum up my experience...both my first and second systems are highly musical and satisfying, and my record and cd collections keep growing and could keep me in fresh music for decades.  

Any swapping I do know is for educational purposes, and I don't sell my old gear.  In fact, I usually end up putting it back in the systems and selling the "experimental" gear.

For what it is worth, I believe obtaining this level of satisfaction can only be easily obtained when also experiencing many live concerts.  This allows you to judge against the totality of the live vs. recorded experience so far as the music goes (have to ignore the non-musical satisfactions of live music concerts).  As a result, when the gear delivers the "aha" experience, you know it and stop searching.

listen > goosebumps > Benaroya ( duh ), go home cue archaic disc > some goosebumps > bin dive / scrounge/ trade content w allies, Pirates, scoundrels, > solder in something new > goosebumps > go to audio club and hang w great people > setup a system in Michigan over facetime from California > servant leadership goosebumps > chat with my Mentor  since 1977 > be thankful > Lather / Rinse Repeat until my carbon is returned to whence it came ( Thank you Joni )….