The most criminal practice in the speaker industry revealed!! Keep reading
Public flogging of those speaker criminals would be totally justified! https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=6TAxIm%2bY&id=9E4CFBF0E41249E697E5E3D5C3954C14292AB6DD&thid=OIP.6TAxIm |
Kenjit, You have a lot of moral energy. Is there someone in your neighborhood who could benefit if you took up their cause? Perhaps there’s a national cause or something else? Do something you'll be more proud about than these ceaseless tirades. They're not going to read well in your obit. I mean this in all seriousness. Audio is a hobby. People enjoy it, bicker about it, and exchange tips and tricks. But really -- if we’re grown ups, we can admit it’s not a worthy site for all the time and energy you put into these quixotic crusades. Benefit a person or group or cause you care about, and when you come to audiogon, just try engaging as a hobbyist. |
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"Audiophiles are no better at telling if one speaker is better than another purely by listening, than an average person is able to tell how cold a fridge is by putting their hand inside it!!!" Nice analogy. "That’s right folks. VERY few folks are actually able to rely on their own hearing to tell which speaker is better than another." And after years of going around in circles, don't some of us know it? "I am among the small minority who can." That's quite reassuring and also very modest of you to say so. |
High end audio has become more about buying a status symbol than sound quality. That being said, if someone wants to drop megabucks on the latest greatest either because they think it sounds better or for a status symbol, it's their right to do so. It's even their right to spend whatever they want on snake oil and convince themselves it sounds better than something that's simply well designed. But also consider, a speaker doesn't have a fixed frequency response unless you listen in an anechoic chamber. Put a great speaker in a bad room and what do you get? Put a competent speaker in a great room and it can outperform the great speaker in a bad room. |
Put a great speaker in a bad room and what do you get? Put a competent speaker in a great room and it can outperform the great speaker in a bad room.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well put, simple to understand. Speakers are one part. Knowing your room, and room treatment is another. Equipment, Grid, and YOUR personal EAR health, are ALL equally important.. leave out one, it VERY much effect the others. Perfect speakers, there is no such thing, personal preference, and YOUR trained ear is a whole different thing... My preference is planars, a good place to start read below. If you can find then, if you can't. RM50,40,30, ALL great places to start. http://pointillistic.com/vmps-audio/RMX.htm Quit complaining and get to work building... Can You? Build? Where the heck are you at, I'll come there and get you going, CRAP, enough, where are you at? I do it... I'm crazy... Regards |
We must promote the goal of attaining perfect sound. Um, no. Give up that premise, and a wasted future is immediately returned to you. You're welcome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x43HQZ1G_Tw&ab_channel=SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac |
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What with the wool pulled over my eyes ( Filson by the way ), I am constantly confusing the Sub-Zero wine chiller with that rip-off subwoofer. I can’t explain why guests keep asking for shaken not stirred old vine Zinfandel. This wine/wool/speaker/refrigerator thread has helped me sort things out properly. Switched to Rye straight out the bottle, no glass so no dishwasher needed. It’s full of vinyl LP anyhow.... |
Rutter: Science finally proves you can't fix stupid Meet Cornell University psychologist David Dunning, our new most totally favorite scientist. He's spent 15 years studying stupid people. Ever since 1999, when he offered the original theory and research, Dunning has been advancing the cause of Stupid Study, the regime of inquiry that assesses how totally brick-headed people are, and how little any of them realize it. Dunning's premise based on thousands of interviews seems to demonstrate that dumb people don't – or rather can't – tell they are stupid. In fact, the very factors that impose human incompetence also make them incapable of realizing it. Dumb people – or rather, for more scientific clarity, the profoundly really numbskulled – never get less stupid. As noted philosopher and Scotch drinker Ron White suggests: "You can't fix stupid." |
I am chuckling over the suggestion we should not trust our ears in judging speakers or anything else in our systems. Reminds me of a famous review in the New York Times of a new opera by Wagner some years back. Apparently there had been other reviews saying thumbs down, prompting the NYT critic to say hold on, folks, this new opera is actually much better than it sounds. |
I think I read one of Kens infamous observations before. i totally disagree there are so many different factors in a speakers voicing the Xover is most critical,most speakers use lower cost capacitors,resistors, even inductors.i upgrade Xovers on all speakers I own ,use the same values and Voice to what taste you want doing mods for over 20 years .it makes a speaker sound far more expensive.,and musically more involving. |
K I provided the measurement you wanted and how the guy did it, from the start of his company to the day it was shut down 30+ years later. Read all the little foot noted, chat room stuff, all of it, a wealth of information. Second What measurements are you talking about, the ones that count, or the ones, that don't. Because I can manipulate the heck out of the results just by moving a mic 1/2 of one inch. I can use different software than you, a different test chamber, test procedures and even methods. What numbers, what specs, what is that you need, that you can't get, to fix what is wrong with YOUR SPEAKERS. TELL me what is it that YOU want to fix FIRST, we'll go from there. Ear health Room treatment Electrical Grid Equipment matching, source selection, cabling (a lot of stuff ) then SPEAKERS You keep leaving out all above SPEAKERS, did I miss something? So So speakers go a long way. Now tip up some REALLY nice ones in their place, most of the HARD work is done.. Just placement... Regards |
You have a lot of moral energy. Is there someone in your neighborhood who could benefit if you took up their cause? Perhaps there’s a national cause or something else? I think you should put all your enthusiasm into a worthy cause like child cancer research or something you can really get passionate about.Take this guy's advice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZFVApWwjA All the best, Nonoise |
I guess I get to keep my speakers..... https://www.soundandvision.com/content/aerial-acoustics-lr5-cc5-lr3-sw12-surround-speaker-system-measurements |
I am the undefeated audiophile champion of the universe bar none.
I am the undefeated audiophile champion of the universe bar none. I am the undefeated audiophile champion of the universe bar none. I am the undefeated audiophile champion of the universe bar none. I am the undefeated audiophile champion of the universe bar none. I am the undefeated audiophile champion of the universe bar none. I am the undefeated audiophile champion of the universe bar none. And back by his own self proclaimed, champion isum (is that a word). The Universal golden eared man of (you are a man right) many men. (I guess). I want to know how your head support your Golden Ears? Pretty big and pretty heavy, aren't they? Just askin' BTW forget all the stuff I said before. I take it all back. I want it back! You ain't gonna pay attention, I want it back... I guess I'm thick as two planks for tryin' :-) Regards |
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Frequency response graphs are not published because they will not resemble the frequency response of the speaker in the buyer's home. Reviewers publish graphs taken in an anechoic chamber - if they're done at all, and so the only reference is graphs done by the same reviewer of other speakers.. Howerer most cheap crap Pioneer or Sansui or other Japanese speaker, as well as the white van junk, will have a frequency response graph proudly plastered on the baffle. It's total fiction, but at least it's there. |
Many products have plenty of numbers for comparison. Example: automobiles... tons of numbers available for safety, reliability, etc... yet millions of vehicles are sold that are not the safest, most reliable, most fuel efficient, etc. Obviously, numbers matter... but for many they are not a key determinant. I suspect speaker companies want to want to be judged by what is heard... not a set of numbers... especially when the “in the buyer’s room numbers” will be significantly different from anything they might publish. |
