Is it me? Will I ever be satisfied?

 Hopefully, more experienced forum members will respond but perhaps I can start the ball rolling.

First of all, do you have an idea of how the room might be affecting the sound?Having a dedicated space is a real advantage. It would be a shame to waste this resource by neglecting to optimize it. Why make things harder for yourself than necessary? 

 Buying gear before evaluating and if necessary, treating the room, would not in my opinion, constitute a wise approach.

Secondly, there is the issue of knowing what you are aiming for, sound-wise. If you cannot define this, you cannot know what to keep and what to possibly replace. And it will be very difficult for anyone here to help.

If it seems I am merely stating the obvious, I apologize for not being more helpful

 If you have, in fact, clarified the two issues I've raised, it's not evident to me based upon your initial post. 

It can be a rabbit hole for sure but if your system does not sound great I would hold off on buying anything else until you research and experiment as to why specifically it doesn't.  

electronics, tubes, speakers and cartridges take many hours to reach full potential.  

older electronics may need to be checked for their major components to be in spec- especially power section capacitors.  

a live room can cause fatigue as can improperly positioned speakers.  

how is your phono cartridge and phono preamp ?  this is an area that usually has a lot of potential for growth including adjustments and proper cables.   

make sure your system is fully mature, in spec and optimized in your room and then make some evaluations.  

What is it that you are not happy with? You should make a list of what it is that you think needs improvement. Is the room carpeted, drywall, ceiling tiles, what furniture, etc...

Additionally, how far apart are the speakers? You say you are 12 feet away.....you should be equa distant from the speakers as they are apart.....equilateral triangle. Are speakers toed in at all? Makes a big difference....are they on stands or floor standing? What kind of music? Do they sound good or great with just some genres? Are you using any kind of power conditioning?  So many questions that need to be answered before you throw money at it.

The cables are fine, larger amp abs subs….get air moving around!

It will never end if you enjoy music.  You will be sucked in like the rest of us until you die.  No matter how good it sounds you will always ask, can it be better?  Enjoy the journey!

"So many questions that need to be answered before you throw money at it"

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List your likes (Pros)?

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List your dislikes (Cons)?

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What do you want MORE or LESS of with the sound?

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Have your equipment checked out by a tech, as previously described above.

If you can't describe it in writing, stop here. Go back and listen for a week, take notes, then reply to the very capable folks here on their 10th and 12th+ systems :) 

You can’t get no….

I’m going to be brutal here. I would never mix B&Ws with Mac gear. The thing you are missing is musicality. You need some gear that mates well with the B&Ws. A sweet sounding amp will do the trick. I’d look at a Parasound A21+. amp to get you in the right direction. If you want to spend more a pair of JC-1+. That will get you moving in the right direction.

P.S. Once you find that sweet spot you can be happy for many years. 

Some very good suggestions so far. It boils down to what are you unhappy with? Maybe go listen at a local dealer to get a feeling for what differences there are. Who knows,you might just be happy with what you have now?  Or is that just silly talk?? 

endless equipment changes you can make, but that huge room must be dealt with first...

You made me laugh!  I will admit I am an Oregon Duck. 

More on the room. It is finished, carpet, pool table, chairs - 2 in the main listening position.  Books shelves, albums etc.  I currently have the speakers directly on the carpet - toed in.

I think I expected more when I brought in the Levinson amp and the new C22, I think with the price tag of the C22 I was going to be blown away.  Interesting comment regarding matching B&W & McIntosh. Many of the dealers in the NW carry both and push them together.

I really appreciate all the feedback and suggestions.  I am going to do some listening this weekend and journal pros & cons and what I feel is not meeting my expectations.

So, and again not being critical, but having been a person who thought blue sound is good sounding… I would start there.

I see you do have a turntable as well, so you can compare the two sources. But both the streaming function and the DAC found in the blue S, are somewhat lacking. I ended up with a Lumin u1 and a Denafrips Venus DAC, night and say from the blue sound.

I do realize that the Blue Sound is a weak link in the system.  

Sounds like you need to play around with room acoustics. 

Can you elaborate?  What have you done or recommend?
 

How’s the bass in your setup?  First thought, with the room size, would be to add a subwoofer.

I agree, that is one area that I would have on my “con” list.  I do like to push the system now and then.  I think that will help.

@willgolf , I agree 100%. No matter what you have, you'll always want to try or think there is something better. Your equipment is fine, and I do agree with @russ69 , Mac and B&W dont have good synergy. Many here have 2 or systems to listen to. There are times I dont turn my Yamaha system (AS3200, CDS2100, B&W 803 Nautilus) on and listen my Emotiva rig for hours (PT100, X300, B1+). And now I want to try a Luxman 590 with Lii Audio S10.  My room is a 24'x20'.  Enjoy the hobby.

In the end, it depends on who you are.
 

And I certainly agree with the advice about treating the room before buying anything else. It's your biggest component. I find most fatigue is caused by the room.

It's possible to stop chasing what is uncatchable and the first step is to stop or greatly reduce reading audio forums or message boards, at least that was part of what worked for me. I also got tired of the know-it-alls like the people who say component x doesn't mesh with speaker x or these wires aren't sufficient for system x, etc. If you want to continue to spend money on new (or new to you) gear and lose money on the stuff you sell (if you don't keep it), go for it.

It sounds to me like you need time with your system. This hobby is a lot more subtle than we expect, a new system must go ‘crash, bang wallop’ for it to impress, but that isn’t what a capable system does. It took me a few months to fully appreciate what my system did, it delivers music so smoothly that it makes me sit and listen for hours. Now I understand it, I know exactly how I want to improve it; for rock and such I want more slam, so I’m looking into a subwoofer. I own a Gallo Acoustics TR3, the original, and it doesn’t quite deliver what I want hence why I’m looking at a new one. It was easy for me to hear what I want, because I was so familiar with the system. Similarly I know after that a new dac has to deliver on maximum clarity, I have a well damped room so I can afford to chase detail without worrying about bright fatigue. 
It’s easy to get a new system, expect the Earth to move because we are so attuned to bass heavy Bluetooth speakers and car stereos that we completely miss what the system is doing. Give it some time, patience will massively pay off in the end. I know you’re listening for a week, but honestly it took me at least two months to truly fall in love with what my system was giving me. Your ears will hear more and more of it as time goes and that will give you what you need to make wise additions/changes. Otherwise I guarantee you’ll buy something that perhaps you haven’t auditioned at home and be right where you are now. And if you just go for ‘loud’, you may be impressed at the start but in time you may find the system exhausting to listen to and realise that isn’t necessarily what you wanted. 

Ok the Bluesound is a decent digital transport as long as you use an external DAC. I recommend an “analog” sounding Lampizator Baltic 3 for that. You should also look into the Auralic Ares G1 or G2.1 streamer.

Those old transparent cables are sucking the life out of the system a bit. Try Shunyata delta or alpha level power cables (do not get the noise reduction connectors for the tube gear get the XC not NR…NR is for solid state and does weird things with tube gear I tried them with) and then for something accurate for speaker and interconnects an American company called Kubala Sosna you will find has more resolution but won’t emphasize treble or sound weird like other brands and I recommend Temptation level in the middle to start. That’s what I use in my YG Accoustics Carmel 2’s. Your B&W speaker has a more forward sound with the diamond tweeter and you need a cable that is accurate and won’t turn them into double treble murder canons. GTT Audio can help you with the cables and maybe upgrading the streamer to the next level with an Auralic Ares. Fred can help you over at Lampizator North America since they sell direct. Sources are all neglected it’s not just the amps. That old Linn is cool but a better turntable is a Kronos Sparta 1.0 that has a counter rotating plater underneath the main plater to counteract all vibration but turntable last.

Amps to look into are Belles Audio….Think Pass Labs and McIntosh with more resolution but better value. Audio Connection in NJ can help with them and they will  go perfect with your new preamp. You just need a Belles virtuoso stereo amp. 
If you can swing it try Mola Mola Kalugas they are class D and pair great with tubes and the treble is sweet and slightly rolled off to curtail the diamonds. I am 40 so I tried a lot of new tech most people refuse to try. The Mola Mola needs to be plugged in a whole day before they are ready to do critical listening. 

You know what helped me…? Listening to sound systems in my local shops. There are three places not too far from me and they each have a different approach and different gear. I listen to mine, and then I listen to the $280,000 system at the dealer and I don’t feel too bad…! Mine sounds close…but I can hear the room for improvement. Not having an unlimited budget makes each step exciting and semi torturous…

Nothing a few weeks in therapy might Cure. I’m having a blast. Hope you are too.

Fix the room 1st. Treatments? Using the rule of 1/3’s, 1/5 for speaker placement. You don’t need equilateral setup, if you read Jim Smith’s book/video, he uses 85% (?) distance between the speakers to how far you are away from them. Also, you probably don’t want those tweeters beaming straight at you, try forward facing with little toe in, Then get a McIntosh or Classe amp to tone down the sizzling B&W speakers. Every dealer I saw with B&W speakers always used these amps for good reason, remember B&W bought Classe years ago which were warm sounding amps. You have a weak digital setup compared to your other audio components. Get a good external dac with Ethernet and/or i2s, there are many from $5k up, move the bluesound to a bedroom or an area used for background music and use a computer with roon or get an Auralic Aries/gx or nucleus if you don’t want to deal with computers. If you cartridge is old, get a new 1 or get yours rebuilt. 

Quick answer: NO.  You have an addiction , a fever, and you will never be satisfied until and if the fever/addiction tempers and washes through you.  Eventually you'll get over missing the arrival of the new toy and the hearing the new sound, maybe.  If you have the cash now, you may really be in for the long hall though because the temptation spend money is strong.  But just in case you want to drop another $6,000, get a Holo Audio May KTE to feed from your Bluesound Node.  I did that with my C2700, MC611s and Legacy Focus SEs, huge sound improvement.  I feel like my fever is starting to ebb.  Maybe.

@goducks44 , can you ever be satisfied? Yes, absolutely. The problem is that you have to know what you like and how to get there without spinning your wheels.

If you are unhappy with the sound of your system it is far more than likely that you are unhappy with your speakers and room. While electronics particularly amplifiers do make a difference they are at best 10% of the show. 

Before you spend more money you need to find all the dealers near you and listen to as many speakers as you can. Shows will be starting up again. Do your research and take your time. Good speakers will last you a life time. Do not shy away from listening to very expensive systems. You have to have points of reference. Listen to all types of speakers, horns and planars. point source and line source. If you have any small clubs near you go listen to live music, another point of reference. 

Once you have the right speakers you have to deal with the room in the context of those loudspeakers. If you want to be scientific about it get one of these so you can see what you have to do and measure the results. 

I have the mc452 with BW speakers but only use it to run the subwoofer. 

JC 5 runs the main speakers. Bluesound is good but they need an external DAC to really sing. Since you are in a garage,  try a room correction software.  That really helps 

Godducks44

The room is close to square, which is not great acoustically. Judicious acoustic treatment will help, as will getting the speakers away from room boundaries.

Have you gotten less satisfied with the tonal balance of the system since the amplification change?. In that case, the Levinson 333 may be your issue.

Personally, I found that the Madrigal era Levinsons could be a little sterile sounding.

I hope you don’t have the pool table between you and the speakers....

Before anything else, like others have pointed out, try to find the best place for the speakers in combination with your listening place. And don’t be too close to the wall behind you. And...turn the bass down. Bass is essential but too much bass kills the music. Buy a mic and use REW to measure your room response.

OP,  
In my setup I use absorption panels behind the speakers as well as diffusion panels. I’m no expert but they do help and having furniture and shelves in your listening area make a big difference. You can experiment by removing all your furniture in your room then you’ll realize how important room acoustics and room treatments are. You can see my system on my profile. I’m still playing with it but at least you can get an idea. Thank you. 

Definitely acoustically treat your room

and reposition your speakers

These changes can open up your system into a new level

of sound.  I would try room treatment then speaker placement and

I think you will be amazed

You have capable equipment already

Good luck

Willy-T 

https://www.acoustic.ua/forms/calculator4.en.html

For a small fee, have your room analyzed with a M.A.T.T. test and stop the guess work  

Sorry, test and be ordered for free from Acoustic Sciences in Oregon. 

I can tell you Mc with tubes is way better then solid state. The b&ws never gave me wow sound so I would look into speaker selection

if you change your cables to OCC single Crystal it'll be unbelievably better, transparent uses ofc wire which has 4 to 500 Crystal barriers per foot which is little fractures in The wire, o c c wire has no fractures in the wire for 125 m do the research and you'll see what people say about OCC single crystal wire.

you should try the Wyred 4 sound 10th anniversary dac, very analog sounding and the reviews have been very positive, beats much more expensive dacs.

Getting great sound can be challenging. Given what you have said there are at least three entry points to start answering your question.

I have been at this fifty years and over the last few decades have reached great plateaus where I was really happy… before I was able to afford another upgrade cycle. I have the best system I have ever heard to my tastes (my UserID).

First, what kind of sound do you want? There were a number of experiences in my history that stuck out. They were incredibly musical systems where I was completely sucked into the music… is this perhaps it? You get detail, slam, imaging but it just doesn’t have an emotional connection? I recommend you visit some showrooms. You want to experience the extremes… high end all tube system, planar speaker system, all MAC. If you have a sound to shoot for, it will save a lot of time and money. I was sidetracked looking for details and slam for a long time… at the expense of musicality (rhythm and pace)… an easy trap.

You have a heterogeneous collection of equipment… all of which have loyal fans and are highly regarded, however. Levinson has a very specific sound, accurate well balanced but very sterile to my ear. MAC has a very distinctive sound, heavy midrange and bass, short on details (great for rock).. I can’t imaging these components are synergistic.

Your listing position / room. Lots to do here. 12’ apart is too much. Try an equilateral triangle about 6’ to start. Speakers away from the wall. Room treatments … behind + at reflections and behind. Spend a lot of time here.

Interconnects are not going to fix the problem. Once you have the sound you want, then get more into that stuff.

Your Bluesound is good for the money… but is a really budget piece of gear.  

So, if it was my system. This is what I would do.

1) Work to get the most out of your current system through room treatments and positioning (toe in).

2) Survey the sonic possibilities… to identify the sound you want. Listen to high end systems… to identify the sound… you can achieve a similar sound at a much smaller budget… this will tune your ear to what you want and sonic differences.

3) Read The Absolute Sound and Stereophile to familiarize yourself with possible components to move you in the direction you want to go. Read Robert Harley’s The Compete Guide to High End audio. Take your time. Enjoy the journey.

4) Swap out one component at a time moving in the direction you want to go. Evaluate… did it do what you wanted to do?

You didn’t mention what volume you enjoy but in a big room, you probably need that big power. At more moderate levels, You might try a good tube amp & see if you like the sound. It should be very different, more air, more body, richer tone if those are to your liking. Actual bigger power & really good sound in tubes does cost some decent $. It’s a real credit to Levinson & other well made stuff that they last so long & considering that, aren’t as expensive as they might seem. 

I would ask just what are you listening to to judge how good your system is?  If you were born in 1944 is your reference point mid-60’s jazz and classical, or Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane?  Either way, I would want more speaker than your 804s to deliver the goods in a 25’x20’ space.  No substitute for cone area.  Look into Revel F328Be or others of that scale. 

Thank you all of you for the amazing feedback and knowledge.  I am not new to this life style.  I do have multiple systems in my house.  I am fortunate that I have a dealer in Seattle where I listen to a $1m system of Dan D’Agostino  and Wilson Audio and have been working with the same guy for years. 
 

I agree that the room is a big culprit.  I have thought about moving this system, but my wife and I really enjoy the space and the view.

I am enjoying spending time getting to know this system as it is really new - to me.  I just changed out the tubes 2 weeks ago and have only spent 4 hours listening to it.  

On another note, I listen to everything except country/western and rap.  

Country/Western/and Rap. That would be CRAP. 

I strongly suggest you optimize your room before spending any more money. I think you know by now that our hobby has us  always trying to improve our sound and to me that is part of the fun.

I would go with C and B drivers. They are the best and have the most resolution. Then switch over to Smith Brothers speaker cables, they’re best if you leave them plugged in and let them run all night. If they stop in the middle of the night just put a little bit of lube around the tip and then re-insert and they’ll fire right back up. When you get to the power cord don’t go with any less than a FBC 16awg with.9999999 full arabica silver. It’s the only way to go.

Hey Pato,

 Where do you live. Oregon, Portland, Eugene. Seattle?

Lots of excellent ideas to think about.

If you are in Portland, we have a group called The Audiofoos (because we foolishly spend money on foolishness). Our wives tend to agree.

 If you can find a few audiophiles in your area with whom you can share this great hobby, look them up and see/hear other systems. If you're lucky, you can try a few pieces, etc.

I tend to I agree with- room treatment first.

Go Ducks!

Synergy could be an issue? Has the Levinson 333 been serviced? Might be due? Have you considered upgrading to an 804 D4?  Your gear has very good resale value take advantage of that and upgrade ASAP.