Why is it that every time, lately, that I'm interested in a thread...

I saw several threads removed that referenced other used audio sites. Honestly, it wasn't a smart move. There weren't even links. It's not like people who come here can only type audiogon in the browser.

Good insight with these discussions. When do I sign on in the AM to read controversial discussions before they are deleted?

Give it time, @goofyfoot, you and I are the only nuts up posting at 3:00 a.m.!! 😂

Have a great weekend, my friend. 

@allenf1963 seeing that your post isn't censored, your comment seems paradoxical.

As long as you enjoy living your life in an Echo Chamber, @goofyfoot, Audiogon is and will continue to be the place for you to post and debate, err, scratch that, "debate" implies a differing opinion which may lead to (shudder) disputing conversations.  There may even be "huffy tones" in Forum Member's voices!

Not to worry, if that happens, or if a Member gets their feelings hurt, we can rest peacefully knowing the Moderators will most certainly shut down the thread by sunrise -- protecting our sensibilities and fragile egos and psyches.

I don't know if any of you remember or were a part of the Gramophone Magazine Forum but I was a very early poster. Over the course of time people were down right repugnant. The level of insults, name calling, racially disparaging attacks, etc... became out of control. Eventually Gramophone just cut the chord and the forum was finito. I view Audiogon as the heretical opposite of what the Gramophone forum was.  And while the monitoring here sometimes seems excessive, I do believe it keeps the mud slinging from adulterating Audiogon's greater good.

If people would only follow these guidelines:

Snowflakes view "If you don't agree with me, you are intolerant! You should be censored, deleted, banned, fed to the hogs'"

Conservative view " Eh, no skin off my ass. Next. "

There are plenty of conservatives that are just as testy about what is said about them. I can think of one that would make a very large orange snow-man.

There is no general right solution at hand right now. Many forums struggle with this. Some forum software tries to assist by throttling posts or temporary shutdowns. Look at the Roon forum - their moderators must spend hours rearranging posts and deleting or editing violations. It fixes a post at great cost but doesn’t solve the problem.

What is needed is people being much more mature than seems possible. Most of the stuff people post they’d never say to someone’s face. Those that would probably get in a lot of bar fights.

@hilde45 

Lemme help you out

@kenjit 

So... pretty much exactly what you are doing? 

Eh, no skin off.... you get it. 😘

@roadwhorerecords ,

There are viewpoints and there are facts. When the rules of this forum are broken by those who devolve their opposing viewpoints into petty, childish back and forths that are more akin to schoolyard taunting than mature adult conversation, those posts are subject to deletion. That is a fact, not a viewpoint. It seems to me you're branding as a 'snowflake' anyone who doesn't want to put up with that nonsense. I'm all for defending yourself when personally attacked, but there are limits. So, my viewpoint is; your viewpoint is flawed. I don't agree with it. 

You'll note that I'm not calling for you to be censored, deleted or banned.

So, so much for that.

Well played

Eh, no skin off my ass. 😘

@roadwhorerecords Here; I fixed your post below:

"I guess it's all in the viewpoint.

Snowflakes view 'If you don't agree with me, you are intolerant! You should be censored, deleted, banned, fed to the hogs''

Conservative view, "I feel threatened by change and thus will use my waning power to maintain the illusion of control even as the world passes me by." 

@thecarpathian 

  I guess it's all in the viewpoint.

Snowflakes view "If you don't agree with me, you are intolerant! You should be censored, deleted, banned, fed to the hogs'"

Conservative view " Eh, no skin off my ass. Next. "

@ronboco 

  +1

We all have taken the bait…..

+1, @thecarpathian

We lost another thread earlier today. The OP was simply asking opinion from actual users of three brands of ethernet cables and the thread quickly went down the path of pissing match between the usual naysayers and believers.

The only way to avoid going down the path of insults, belittling is by not engaging certain members whose sole agenda is to cause disruption with the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses. Just check their post history before you take the bait.

I don't think it's 'crying' to a moderator when a member insults, accuses, belittles and denigrates, or makes negative blanket statements against fellow members. It's against the rules, it detracts from the thread at hand, and the person or people it's directed at has/have every right to see it deleted. Many times there's a canyon of space between truth and opinion. 

... or you can just cry to a moderator. 

@2psyop nice one, btw. For a long time I thought I was hearing better through one of my ears than the other, but then as I got older, that switched. 

Also, as much as I railed against MC, he did make things interesting. Kind of like Eminem's line, "it feels so empty without me". 

@roadwhorerecords nice name. Also, this is the kind of comment that leads to thread deletion. I mean, rather than cancel, just make a fascist powergrab and pass legislation marginalizing targeted populations. 

My guess as to why Admin removes a thread is as follows:

(a) they don't have much time to do this (unpaid? low paid?) difficult job.

(b) they base most of their decision on whether another member complains

(c) given the size and sensitivity of many members, it's not long until someone complains, no matter what severity there is in the thread.

That's what leads to deletion.

* =  If you hit the MM, 1% for the tip would be fine...... ;)

"Does the speaker on the left sound better or the speaker on the right? No they both are corrupt. It’s the shadow DAC that runs everything."

Absolutely brilliant.  +whatever your next MegaMill number may be; random, of course*

You may have very early AM visitors that will compel you to come with them.  The bag over the head is the most entertaining part.... ;)

Mho, everything is open to deletion....even good-natured 'commentary gone BAD" for some overstep of a line unseen.

I like this thread, but now I'mm away....*G*

I agree and especially agree with Hilde45. Since we can't read people's minds I prefer to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and not assume covert bad intent.  Recently I mentioned in a comment (a country that maybe we can't mention) and YEP you can guess it. Part of my comments even mentioned that, perhaps "that" country may just be producing the best engineers to implement some of the new hardware and chips used in DACs. Surprise, the thread was removed.  I was just posing the question of why certain DAC's measured so well.  I didn't sense any responses that warranted taking it down  Maybe there were other reasons.  If AudioGone is listening I hope that's not why it got "removed".  

I think you are correct @thecarpathian 

That certainly could have been the final infraction that got him his second (permanent?) suspension. 

Perhaps or perhaps not, but it was the reason as I understand. 

MC committed the worst sin possible on Agon. The sinister act of sharing contact info!

His infractions were numerous and not exclusive to that...

+1 @secretguy a few years ago I would have substituted herpes

Well, last time I checked it was a post about recommandations for a DAC under 1000$ with sufficient connectics. Nothing borderline. I posted my own recommandations, and a few hours later when I came back to check the post it had been deleted. Happened in similar fashion to a couple other posts I was following lately. 

Re: the ADMIN post, I wonder how one gives examples of posts that aren't there.  Just curious.

MC committed the worst sin possible on Agon. The sinister act of sharing contact info! As a longtime Agoner nothing upsets me more about this site or “community” than not allowing members to share contact info. Yes, I understand why Agon is policing this, but it does make this site far less appealing and useful for me. Just my opinion and feeling.

Yes, Agon is free to implement policies for protecting the profitability of their site. In my opinion they have simply gone too far, not necessarily with MC, but in general.

I think enough people complained about MC rising from the dead that he was sent back to purgatory. 

Thanks: Good topic, and entertaining posts, particularly the creative examples. Gotta love room correction.

Rubbish posts need deletion, especially rude and offensive ones.

But why delete the whole thread?

Sad, if that's what's happening. 

fertguy:

MC came back for a little over 2 weeks in late Oct/early Nov, 2022 and then disappeared again.

He's currently listed as suspended.

DeKay

Yep.  Someone introduces a topic and the next thing you know it's seen more threads than an antique Singer sewing machine.

Topic: "I Woke Up This Morning and Notced the Walls are Perpendicular to the Floor in My Listening Room"

Us: 

Front mounted water-cooled V8s are superior to rear mounted opposed piston 6-cylinder vehicles

Car audio woofers handle more power than "high end" subs designed for the home

A measure of pragmatic nationalism is not a bad thing when considering multinational components

Room treatments.  Room treatments.  And, more room treatments.

Non-parellel walls are overrated. You can fix it with room correction.

Conclusion:

This is what we do. "You can't blame a compass for pointing north"

noromance

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01-09-2023 at 12:12am 

MC swung by for a few weeks in Nov '22

Much like Covid just won't go away.

I say leave ALL posts and threads up. Each morning I see all these deleted posts and wonder what they were. They are just words people and everyone here is of age to ignore whatever offends them. Geez

Country of origin and support should come into almost all audio equipment discussions unless every buyer doesn’t mind waiting months to send/receive back replacement units/parts/tech support in their native language if something goes wrong. Not just time but shipping costs, reliability concerns, etc. as well. If you are not embarrassed to say the unit was made in USA, Canada, Europe, why should it be a bad word if you say it was made in China? Junk or not. If audio was made in USA using slave labor I wouldn’t buy it either and I would tell everyone I know that slaves are working on the assembly line, making Slaveware. It’s politicians that have made "politics" a bad word, not Audiogon posters, although some go over the top once in awhile.

I don't know where MC went. He could sure ruffle some feathers....

It's just as easy to be helpful or skip a topic if one feels compelled to be nasty or have fun stroking one's own ego by saying something against forum etiquette and rules. The problems rests with good judgment and not choosing to be a complete donkey arse. IMHO

Rubbish posts need deletion, especially rude and offensive ones.

But why delete the whole thread?

Suggests the moderators are too lazy to read each post.

Too many Snowflakes getting their little feelings hurt, so their first reaction is to CANCEL, CENSOR, DELETE! Quick, run away make the bad man go away. 

There was an opening on the Tekton assembly line bubble gum, rivet, and glueing section.

Cheers

MC swung by for a few weeks in Nov '22.

@fertguy Whatever happened to MC?

Maybe you have poor taste in topics.

Maybe instead of deleting discussions wherein some useful information might be contained, it would be better if the moderators would more strictly weed out such open posts in the first place. 

The mods are volunteers that have actual lives outside of this forum. They don't have time to babysit every thread. I'm a mod on another forum which thankfully isn't as busy as this one so we try to step in and encourage members to argue via private message so save the thread from getting shut down. It's too time consuming to pick through deleting insults and retorts.

The Shadow Dac comment was great @2psyop