That’s beautiful oddiofyl. Love it aesthetically.
What is it? Reminds me of a Cary SLA 70 I had years ago. I realize it’s a different beast. 300b based integrated?
Why Do You Post?
I come here to poke fun ONLY... No need for tech talk. AG could care less. I'm trying to draw the TROLLS out.. I'm bored.
This is what someone posted in an active thread. I'm dumbfounded!
I come to Audiogon to learn and share information, keep abreast of audiophile happenings and to gain exposure or insight into music. I thought I was in the majority camp of users, but based upon the above quote, could be I'm not.
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@oddiofyl that's not just a new toy, it's a shiny new toy that glows in the dark! |
I like reading about new gear, I will often chime in with my experiences or opinions. I will always try to help a fellow music lover troubleshoot or give advice if I think it will help. I am a very private person and forums let me be more of an extrovert. I am mostly humble but like showing off new toys once in a while
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Actually, if I'm honest, many times I've read a comment here which got me thinking about better ways to enhance the kit without spending a ton of money. (Notwithstanding, nothing makes a better stereo than a better stereo) However, for example, my floor is extremely unstable. Hence, the tips on creating a suspended platform for my turntable, and now sub, and CD player....eventually yielded profound results. Getting my Lascalas up upon foam pads made a huge difference. So if I'm willing to admit it, many of you have helped this blue collar audiophile to live above my pay grade. Thank you everyone. |
"Who knew access to all of the world’s knowledge would make people dumber because people have no idea what knowledge is and are instead amused and give credence to a put down from a troll rather than thinking."
Perhaps humans have always been a little like that? Existence can be challenging and entertainers have always been highly valued and rewarded as a result of providing us all with a little distraction from time to time (you could even argue that this hobby is exactly like that). How else do we explain a footballer getting paid a 1000 times more than a paramedic? Of course if you or your loved one is lying on the floor with a broken leg your perspective might be a little different... That might be the one and only time when the value of knowledge gains a little in comparison with entertainment. |
@mitch4t +1 |
I've been here over 20 years posting, buying and selling. I've come a looong way in audio since I started here, and I'm grateful for the kindness, help and patience of the members that have helped me along the way. I've seen lots of guys come and go. Some got burned out and left, never to return. Some have actually died. Some sold all of their equipment and actually left hifi altogether. But still, "The 'Gon" soldiers on, and I'm still here....and I'll be here as long as I need advice and ideas about my rig and its improvement. I'm a jazz fanatic, and I've found lots of kindred spirits here. "The 'Gon" ain't perfect, but it's still my favorite hifi spot by a mile. |
Most of my time is spent working or with my family. The little time I get for a hobby has been dedicated to audio for over a decade now. I am a music lover at heart. I have made many mistakes, made poor purchases, wasted money; you know, the well trodden path of the audiofool. I post when I think it might help someone else out there who is on the same path to ruin. Still have no idea what I am doing but the journey has had its moments. |
I like to learn different points of view and new things. I can share my experience of what's worked for me and also met some new friends. Picked up lots of info on benefits of phono stages, importance of speaker placement and room acoustics and isolation/vibration control which have helped my system tremendously. Also learned about some overpriced tweaks that some huge spenders will try because they represent a ridiculously low % of their audio investment and any infinitesimal improvement (audible or not) is worth a lot to them. Not to start a war but things like fuses, HFTs, coatings, etc. Love hearing cable debates - hysterical. Of course they impact sound, but how much will you spend for how much improvement? I never doubt when someone thinks something improves the sound for them. If they think it does in their mind, then it does FOR THEM. The absolute measurement guys are funny too. Just because you can measure it doesn't mean you can hear, appreciate, and value it. |
I initially joined after reading a post by @prof a few years back. He seemed to be one of the very few who were even talking about timbre and tonal colour when it came to audio playback. That really made an impression on me and I decided to join as a result. I also thought that by sharing some of my mistakes with others, it might save them from falling into similar traps.
@teo_audio -------- I try to help people understand how to get a realistic, actual musically correct signal to come out of their gear.
How the human ear works so they learn how to listen
How the mind works on connection to hearing so they can learn to listen past and through their internal filters and faults. None of this is simple, until it becomes instinct and such. that 10,000 hr thing. ~~~~~~~~ In such scenarios, the key point is the fixing of the self, the growth of the self -above and beyond all else. which people in general are loathe to do, they’d rather shoot and destroy everything around them, instead of that. Growth is painful (literally painful, seriously) as it requires the death of the old to occur first so the new can fit in.
There is no fix, for any of this in being a necessity and ’a way’ (this is the way), as we all learn differently and we all have different minds, we all hear differently and we all take a different path up the mountain. Ie, that people spouting a singular story ("this is what I do, etc") is just us playing the ego echo chamber game of self reflection and hoping we get no hatred when we speak and expose our frailty to the world. So there is no such thing and never will be of one single method of learning new things. There are as many ways of learning as there are people in the world and the best we can get to is forms of/in generalism, with manifold examples, in manifold directions. Thus, due to all of the above..I change how it say it, often, almost in a form of rotation, just talking around the subject in various different methods and ways.
to take it to a next level of complexity, the problem is that it is forums, so it is further removed from full and proper communication so misinterpretation and reflection of one’s own ego and emotions somehow being read in my message, is the norm. (not what I said, or what I meant, but how the reader feels) That’s how forums work.
To add, music is not about logic, or bettering the self through trial and error, it is about blanking out and pleasuring the self. Engaging the monkeys timelss joy in moving to the beat or getting lost in the ethereal aspects of loss of time and pressures. Which is the opposite of self control and considerations.
So we can get people’s blind and rejecting ugly side as a norm, on audio forums, if we inject the tension of discussion and argument in what is essentially a very complex multi-faceted scenario of high quality audio reproduction in one’s own home.
Getting high and getting off is a complex affair. In this case, chock full of individualism and a lack of understanding, yet we all seek peaks, peaks that require all of that.
Your words are unfortunately true, at least in my experience. I guess the lure of free advertising is too strong for some to resist. Nevertheless, if their words are held up to scrutiny perhaps a certain sense of balance can be maintained here. Ultimately it’s the reader that decides what they want to take away from here, we can only try to help.
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Dealer, dealer, dealer. Some of them tell you they are dealers. Some of them pretend they are not. They come in a group, supporting each other, trash talk/diss other objective opinions for a single purpose, i.e., promoting their products. In order to hide their identity or association with a particular product, they do the "product placement" into a seemingly tech talk subject. You can find the story repeating itself over and over again here. |
@nonoise … Just So |
A couple of quotes. "Trust those who seek the truth, but doubt those who say they found it." Andre Gide. "Progress is impossible without change, and those that cannot change their minds cannot change anything." G.B.Shaw I doubt the removal of a few irritating internet disruptors is a threat to Western Civilization. If you think so please retire to your bunker. |
Lloves twisting things around to suit his point of view. In the beginning, my speaking up to bullies and blowhards only served to get my posts deleted so stop with the hypocrisy. Do you and your ilk think this was some playground just for you? Do you hear it at home and work as well? Well, maybe, it’s you. It was the ones who sought power and dominance over others here that ran afoul of the mods, who didn’t take sides here and merely weighed the evidence and adjudicated as they saw fit. And, I applaud their decision. Too bad they had to take the role of your parents and set you down for some time outs and when necessary, banish some. All the best, |
@dadork Truer words could not be said. Their little internet fiefdom.
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Even on its WORST day, this forum is like working all day in a pair of steel-toed work boots, then coming home and slipping into a pair of comfortable slippers. It’s refreshing to visit a site where the major challenge of the day is how to best dispose of a participant’s disposable income.
I may have missed something(s) from the Golden Age of A’gon Forumdom, but my search for intelligent life often begins with this forum. I am rarely disappointed. Sure, there are those contributors who like to lie in wait, ready to ambush anyone who doesn’t agree with them. But dealing with serious character flaws is not our forte here. Just thoughts and considerations about all things related to music and the suspension of disbelief that we desire at home that we’re just listening to a stack of electronics connected to some boxes that move air, but we are indeed experiencing all the elements of a live performance.
I am taken with the genuine care, respect, consideration and advocacy contributors extend to others. Including those with “rookie” questions. The equivalent of a question on an exotic sports car forum like: “Hey, does anyone know the firing order on Testa Model S?” Sure, we get “punked” from time to time, but I see (and, feel) the presence of real gentlemen who wish others well, and willing to give a little of themselves in the pursuit.
Even when we go “off topic” I receive (free) input on a variety of matters that were well articulated, heartfelt, and honest. Sometimes, these are more intact, coherent, and relevant that the rants of those who get paid to write about such things for a living.
I have an expression: “The exodus of authenticity.” We’ve been trained to settle for substitutes for the genuine article. The average participant here has an antenna that is more sensitive than the “average” guy/gal on the street. We have an intimacy with reality – at least when it comes to the reproduction of music. I’m guessing this attribute has helped us in other phases of our lives?
One other thing I appreciate is that people present problems that they actually want solved. This may sound intuitive, but there are those “above our paygrades” that don’t want (major) problems solved – for a variety of reasons. Not here. I acknowledge, and celebrate the difference.
Forums, like these have more of an impact then we can imagine. They may be the only connection to humanity we interact with today. So, we need more audio forums. And, quilting forums. And, Corvair forums. And, ingrown toenail forums. We just might learn to like each other.
Keep those comments, questions, and, yes, challenges coming. You may be doing a lot more than just saving an audio forum from extinction. |
Too much of what goes on around here is rather alienating to me, excessive provocations, anger. Don't mind arguments about audio, but political posts in audio forum is not a reasonable post to my mind. Also, the personal attacks should not be acceptable regardless of the topic.
I most like experiential and contextual posts, those that have personal experience and place that in context are the most educational, informative. I try to base my posts on those two prerequisites. |
+1 for Ozzy. I have gotten some excellent information on these forums and also made good friends. I have noticed with disappointment the last few years the number of trolls and bullies who have made a great hobby into a keyboard confrontation. This is a really enjoyable and sometimes expensive hobby and that should be our common ground . It takes no knowledge or skill to insult which is easy but on the other hand it costs nothing to provide help and information. |
I actually have no idea why I post here other than it's fun. I wish I had the high moral stance that I'm paying it forward offering help to those that know less than I do but I don't think that's it. What's really happening is that I have five maybe six stories to to tell and I keep repeating myself over and over again. I try to be humorous and always get a thrill with a response from one my posts but that counters the whole pay it forward argument. Truth is I'm here for the entertainment with the occasional nugget I can glean along the way. The highlight of my experience was reaching out to MIllerCarbon and he opening up his house for a listening session, a meal and hobby talk. An experience that I hope others would offer. The worst is when I get sucked into a pissing match with insults, name calling and schoolyard bullying. I'm working on being better. |
My central experience on this forum has been to learn about ways fellows have advanced their systems. AC, amps, tweaks, etc. When a critical mass of posts rave positively or promote a particular issue, it clearly becomes something that should be considered. And I must say that I have yet to be mislead. At this point, the list is long. |
I've posted a couple times in lightweight opinional threads, the type of thing it feels would coax out more lightweight/low-fi members if indeed that's something the usership has an interest in here. Why? Because I haven't assed myself into listing the couple modest things I joined to sell. As far as sensibilites go, Mahgister's is probably closest to mine, in his take care of what you can control approach before throwing money to the wolves. |
I for one think this forum has plenty of value stored in our collective memory/experiences. And can only remember one time I had a minor "battle of wits" with MC, but I never throw the first punch. And so it goes. Just like I confine my reading to material that I really love, I also confine my reading in this forum to persons that have something to add. BTW it is a long haul but at the moment I'm reading Edison a great biograpy of the man by Edmund Morris. Regards, barts |
I read here and whatsbestforum for user experiences, ideas, brand awareness, etc. Some good questions or topics are posed. I appreciate the insights of professionals such as the late almarg, and audio industry professional like the dealers. What is also interesting is marketing behavior from end users, whether or not they receive material compensation. There is particular good group of analog posters, whom I find very useful. OWG is fine, but I do not miss the angry OWGs. Audiogon has been around before them, and I have been here long enough to see this kind thing flare up and burn out. It is not surprising some of them are gone now.. Best not to shine a light on them, positive or negative, though. Best to move on.
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Lets face it, if we only relied on paid professional reviews we would all own the same gear. I mean the same equipment manufactures are reviewed by the mags month after month. At least here we get a chance to read about other audiophiles actual experience with equipment not mentioned in the paid reviews and perhaps we can actually afford. To me that is priceless. ozzy |
I post here for audio related matters but got tired and fed up with all the ones who wanted to turn this into some version or chapter of their facebook page with all the attendant misgivings of their lives, bringing all manner of anger and resentment. I just got sick and tired of it all and spoke up. The ones who complain about it are the biggest hypocrites around, acting like this is some safe place for their ids, only to find out that once the poop hit the fan and the mods had to get into it, the real miscreants and bullies were banished. I don't miss them one bit. Case closed. Reading whart's post brought back fond memories of how this site used to run. That's a bygone era. Too bad for us. All the best, |
What I mean by lore, is the typical use, I noticed you frequently do, of for lack of a better term, fake or misused science. Much of it seems made up, but misapplication is also rife, i.e. using concepts that have some factual basis, but are totally irrelevant because the effect is so small. Repeating an untruth repeatedly does not make it true. |
I find this entire forum to be a pit of vipers. Some with good intent only fan the flames and seek to keep intact their internet fiefdom. To date I have only found a few useful posts that were interlaced with neo political retorts and ad hominiem attacks. I have seen in these pages where a select group of people attack other mercilessly because they have a differing opinion or ideology. I am not a fan of ASR but the there are some here that are no better than that group or the folks at SH Forums.
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I joined to learn. There are some of us who are beginners and need help. I personally think there are people who are very insecure and like to make fun of people. I think it is in poor taste to intimidate others. The first thing I think about is maybe they are a dealer or simply insecure. It is easy to sit behind a monitor, drop your bombs and disappear. This is why I think offering Zoom Meetings would allow us to connect a face, a voice with a name. This to me would change the dynamics. |
In the beginning many years ago on other forums i posted about what i must bought and i try to inform myself about products...I was lucky in my study, i bought 2 Sansui Amplifiers and a dac and speakers at no cost almost... 😁😊 The Sansui was high end in 1978....it is good today, if not very good today ...Or if not good enough, to beat it will cost me a Berning ZOTL amplifier more costly or an Atmasphere amplifier more costly many times too ....I dont have the money but i discovered this marvellous fact: the S.Q. /price ratio modulo some acoustic and psycho acoustic science and experiments ... We can go very far with that...I did... After some years and when i bought the right gear, i posted about "tweaks" and my 8 headphone modifications because i did not have money and i also wanted to improve my room /speakers sound...Without knowing how to do it... Some help me with pointing the right direction : for example my experiments with springs...And sorbothane and other materials... But i was sting by the virus of " listening experiments" slowly growing with few small success after another in my modifications course.... After many search in reading, someone mention the word "Helmholtz" the same guy who mention the springs to me...He was alas! banned now... 😁😊 I embarked then alone in my own journey in acoustic for 2 years non stop... Now i am done, happy, after all this fun listening experiments and devices creations homemade at no cost...My dedicated audio room is my temple of joy...It is now only a listening room, i dont need much addons...
I come nowadays for only 2 reasons : reading some friends here, posting about ONLY one thing : Dont upgrade BEFORE righfully embedding you system in his 3 working dimensions : mechanical, electrical and acoustical in particular...
I like also to post in the classical and jazz section and asian music section about musical choices among my near 10,000 cd and files... |
I feel like I'm fairly knowledgeable about music (I play music trivia at a local bar once a week) so whenever there's a post about music I might chime in with an opinion. I also like to tell a joke so if there's an opportunity for that, I might chime in there as well. I'm not all that knowledgeable on the technical side of components and telling people what I have and why I like it (except maybe for Magnepan imaging) seems kind of pointless because it's always up to the individual to figure out what they like. I'm kind of shocked at what people spend for stuff like cables which can only make a small improvement to the actual sound coming out of the speakers because I'm a "bang for the buck" shopper. I do also look for topics that everyone seems to be in agreement on as far as the quality of components and the only thing I've found so far that almost everybody seems to agree on is REL subs. So if I ever choose to buy another sub, it will likely be an REL sub. That about covers it. |
What is exposed in this particular post, is a lack of understanding or meaning, of this singular word ’lore’ - where the post pivots around the use of the word lore. |
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I do not post very often. I joined because I thought this site would be informative. I do not often read the threads because more often than not they end up off topic and full of nasty comments when so and so does not agree with so and so. Maybe it has changed I will see. There are other websites that are not as adversarial and your comments are welcome. |