At your price point I'd say check out Volti Rivals and Lucera should be around your price point. Excellent sounding horns and good looking too.
Seeking horn array loudspeakers with a maximum price of $17,500.00 per pair.
My system consists of the following:
- Focal 938 loudspeaker
- Bryston $B3 cubed power amplifier
- Rogue Audio RP-1 preamp
- Weiss DAC 204 DAC with Modwright Power supply
- Lumin U2-mini with S Booster power supply
- Seeking horn loud speaker that sounds rich, full bodied and dynamic at 50-55 decibel levels.
- Thanks.
JBL 4367 see here. Mike |
Do not get the Volti... Grainy sounding treble and doesn't have bass extension.
Get the JBL 4367. I second that recommend
You can call JBL to ask if there's a dealer in your city @kjl1065 |
I recommend the Fleetwood Deville SQ, adding just a little more $ or if you can find a used pair for sale. They are wonderful sounding,very detailed ( even in low volume ) great bass and the horn tweeter , just right and not too horn sounding but extremely detailed especially the voices.Check them out on YouTube, one of Steve Hoffman’s favourite speakers. |
Agree with @vicdior . The Fleetwood Deville. Did an audition recently. They are difficult to beat at that price point. Definitely something to go listen to. Some don't like their look however. Best of luck and keep us posted. |
If I were in your shoes with that budget, my choice would be to take that dough and get a nice pair of custom veneer Volti Lucera's or a used pair of Rival's then spend the remainder on tube amplification. I had the Rogue RP-1 and liked it very much. Paired with something from Cary, or Quicksliver would be pretty awesome. I have yet to hear a loudspeaker that knocks dynamics, tonal quality, and midrange out of the park like Volti's do. IMO of course. |
Another recommendation for Volti Rivals. I really enjoy mine. Not even sure that you will have to turn on your big Bryston amp to get to 60 db…. You might need 1/10 of a watt on peaks w/ them at 98+ db sensitivity. Seriously, some amps don’t sound their best until significant power is drawn from them so you may consider a lower powered amp & maybe tubes. |
There is a new update coming for Klipschorns or LaScalas. Those would be serious contenders. The Bryston is just wrong for the speaker direction you want. I would sell that. $3 to $5k will get you a nice tube amp or small Class A solid state. If you want to keep the amp, Magnapan may be a good choice. Horn speakers: Volti, Fleetwood. There are some nice looking European horn loaded speakers but don't have any info on them. |
Hornsub here. I have a Speakers System Veneered in 1/4" Walnut including Custom Electronic Crossover. JBL 2440 drivers with 2445 diaphragm that cross over at 300 cycles out on multicell horns. Lows go to 15" electro voice drivers. I am using all Audio Note tubes 7 watts per channel. The speakers were built for me when I was 30 years old, and I am now 95 years old. I listened and have had many different speakers and I always went back to these horns and kept them. The price is $4,000/pair. I live in Hemet, California. If you are interested, please contact me at 1-951-927-9964 or email me at oroehl84@gmail.com. |
Could it possibly be that these people have experience with horns and different amps and can offer sound advice? No, of course not. That would make too much sense.... |
I have the voice of theater jbl/ altec Lansing that's the l in jbl.they are efficient and as mentioned run off a low wattage tube amp. Like quicksilver, manley ect.jbl synthesis,b and c coax horns, eminence textreme horn.all very efficient high spl > 100 easy and easy to power.have a set of usher d2 with the tad be horn that is top end. Enjoy the search.you could look at tekton Bonneville but it's big.enjoy the music. |
Usually, most would choose horn speakers because of their high sensitivity and are typically used with low powered tube amps. For instance, in my main system I’m running 200-340wpc SS in my Vimberg 89db speakers, but plan to run as low as 2wpc tube SET amps on my Volti Rival 100db horn speakers. Why are you targeting horn speakers? |
@ozzy62 +10 Mike |
Wish to clarify for Audiogon support that I am not looking to purchase any product from any Audiogon member. The reason I placed a maximum price in my title was when seeking an opinion with regard to a loudspeaker that members will not recommend items that are out of my price range. I seek the opinions of other Audiogon members to learn about and to give me guidance about products that may meet my needs. Thank you and I apologize for any misunderstanding. |
@kjl1065 , I am excited for you that you are taking the jump into horns. Do not worry about your Bryston amp at this point. It is a great amp and will loaf along with whatever horn system you purchase. I am a diehard Klipsch guy from way back, and I can answer any question on Klipsch Heritage models you may have. The newest Khorn and Lascala are the only models I am not "on hands" familiar with. I have a few questions for you. Can you describe / post a photo of your room set up? How did you determine your db listening level (sharing connecting walls/floors/ceilings with others)? Given you current system set up, what are your favorite and, least favorite, sonic attributes you are experiencing? BTW, Klipsch Lascala AL5s, with a pair of RSL 12S subwoofers, would be as enjoyable, if not more, than everything else spoken about above, meeting / exceeding your description. This will be fun! My best, MrD. |
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I like the suggestions of Volti speakers. I also like some open baffle speakers that utilize horn midrange/tweeter arrays, like the PureAudioProject speakers, although I think the full range driver and coaxial and AMT midrange/tweeter modules that are options for their speakers are also very good alternatives to their horn option. The recommendation for Charney Audio is also good, although they do not utilize a compression driver/horn array, and instead, employ a single full range driver in a quarter wave backloaded horn configuration. Perhaps not a horn system, but, very much in the same family in terms of sound and shockingly good. The full range driver/powered woofer speakers from Rethm are also in the same sonic camp. If you can get to the Washington DC area, check out Deja Vu Audio. They are a retail business, but, they also make a lot of their own speakers, amplifiers, linestages, phono stages and DACs. They make extremely good horn-based systems for around $12k that utilize modern drivers, and even better systems utilizing vintage compression drivers and horns (but more expensive). Whether you buy anything there or not, it will be a blast hearing their custom gear. It is their belief that the amplifier is at least as important as the speaker, and I don't think they will sell someone a custom speaker unless it will be used with appropriate tube amplification (not all tube amplifiers fit that description). If you end up choosing something that is high in efficiency, I think you should explore low-powered tube amplification as an alternative to your Bryston amplifiers. Most solid state amps sound boring and lifeless compared to good low-powered tube amps, and the Bryston amps I've heard are not an exception. |
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The advantage of extremely efficient speakers is that it allows you to use SET amps. I've had Avantgarde Duos for a long time, not necessarily recommending them-- they require supplemental woofers and in my experience, a change in front end- but I've been using Lamm ML2s for a long time and those amps are musical as hell. I would suggest that you consider both the speaker and amplifier because the relationship is critical. I moved from some highly regarded cartridges-- Lyras and Airtights, and it was only changing to the Koetsu stone bodies that made a real difference-- particularly in the bass region. I now have fully dimensional bass, but added subwoofers and DSP'd them to get the lower regions to accomplish what the mid-high frequency spectrum was capable of. |
Volti Lucera owner here, formerly a Klipsch Heritage guy. I love my Luceras, and no way are they grainy, or lacking in the low end. It was a pleasure dealing wth Greg Roberts at Volti. I got to select the veneer (Paduak), and he got them done and shipped to my door in about 2 months. They are gorgeous and floor me every time I experience them. Highly recommended! |
Greg is a heck of a guy. Obviously puts his all into his product. Additionally he’s great at answering questions, making sure you the consumer are fully satisfied. I never felt any pressure from him and I spent a full day with he and his wife. The experience was more like finding a kindred spirit and hanging out with an easy friend while being immersed in some sweet HiFi. |
@kckrs FYI, the Klipsch Jubilee system operates as a vented box below 100Hz. ''PATENTED HORN-LOADED VENTED SYSTEM The patented low frequency enclosure of the Klipsch Jubilee is designed to provide magnificent presence, by leveraging the efficiencies of both horn-loaded and vented systems. The typical vented system already increases the efficiency and sensitivity for extended low frequency performance. Horn-loading this system allows the Klipsch Jubilee to be a staggering 10 to 20 times more efficient than a conventional loudspeaker. This results in unrivaled low frequency performance, maximizing output while minimizing distortion, for dynamic and clean bass.'' See here Mike |
You are looking for something that sounds good at most volume levels. That is one of the major strengths of horn systems. But, it is also the strength of other types of speakers like the backloaded horn full range driver system like those from Charney Audio. I like their Companion models. I heard, and liked this model with a Voxativ and an AER driver (I liked the AER a little more). AsI mentioned above, find a high efficiency speaker, horn or otherwise, that you like, and then consider getting a low-powered tube amp. The amp is also very important to great sound at low listening levels. Most solid state amps need to be played at a higher volume levels to sound lively. |
I would love be listen to all these speakers mentioned compared to my beloved Edgarhorn Slimlines that were fully upgraded to huge mil spec oil filled caps, foil inductors and wire wound resistors as well as higher end Fostex super tweeters. I love how they sound and bet they would do quite well in this group. I wish I could use them but just not going to work in our full time RV. I might end up building a few different type systems to get the best I can, by fall I will be trying Frugel-horn Joan's with Mark Audio MA-200 drivers which I am sure will be quite nice and very cheap to build.
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ditusa - appreciate the clarification, you are correct and did know this about the Jubilee(Heritage) line. My, now sold Jubes were the OG model using traditional horn loaded bass bins. I believe Roy is using the horn/vented design in the new subwoofer line along with the new AL6 LaScala w/active crossover. |
I used horns in car systems, one duramax truck as well as a C6 Vette, all to great effect and never had what we called the honking sound some horns can have. I always wanted the bigger EH Titan's but never had the right space for them. I was fortunate enough to get to know Dr Edgar, wonderfully kind man and I miss him. Done right, horns can be incredible and fun on flea powered amps just fine, preferred actually.
I highly recommend a low powered tube amp for horns in home audio use, in a car a high end class A low powered amp works out great. (I used AB but never increased the gain enough to go into class B).
Rick |
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