Does other Audiogon members' opinion carry any weight for you ?


With few notable exceptions, not for me.

inna

Everybody can help us here and many helped me in a direct and indirect way...( for the gear pieces or for advices or for musical inspiration or for discussing acoustics concepts even ASR members lost here  ;) )

The list i could give will be numerous names...

Only those who are not very open mind cannot learn anything from others here...

Not only that but many here gave me gifts and offers with complete generosity...

It is a great forum...

 

I've discovered great new music here on this forum (new to me, that is). Thank you.

Yes appreciate members that have knowledge about equipment or music that is new to me.  Very helpful.  Keep it coming!  

There is a plethora of cool things to learn on this site.  So many things I had no idea about.  And as noted above, I got turned on to a lot of new music I would never have gotten an opportunity to hear and enjoy.  Thanks to all who have contributed.  -John

My first response to the OPs topic was: "Is this a trick question?".  

Apparently not.

With hundreds of topics and thousands of posts per year, it's hard to imagine not getting some value from this forum. 

Assuming that one's audio world is completely filed to the brim, and their database related to "all things audio" is complete, there's the still the element of exchange.  It's not always a one-way street.  Others may benefit from your knowledge and experience.  We fix old audio gear (well, at least try to keep it from ending up in a dumpster).  There are sites that offer free schematics.  The "catch" is that you are required to upload old schematics that you may come across that they don't have in order to download from the library.

My part time gig involves the development of a website where I identify, acknowledge, and celebrate our common links and connections.  "Audio" has many sets and subsets.  Everything from hardware, tweaking, acoustics, music, composers, musicians -- even the occasion ridiculous and absurd.  This forum may not save the world.  But, it will add a tad more sanity, and connect people together on a personal level.

The forum also allows us to bring out the best versions of ourselves.  Sharing and caring from position of strength and confidence, reaching out to those less familiar with "high performance" audio.

So ...

It's been said:  A student is someone that understands they have something to learn." I simply call it intellectual humility.  

Having nothing to learn from "others" on this forum is not just arrogant.  It's theoretically impossible unless you have a digital bitstream connected to the web and plugged directly into your brain.

@waytoomuchstuff +1 I like 'intellectual humility', symptomatic of individuals who understand there are many known unknowns.

i had learned from others here, but the reason i am here, being retired, is now because i appreciated each characters from which i read the posts...

my audio system is well and answer to my needs, i learned what to do to install it...

i came back because i am curious about all people opinions and life.,..

if i was 30, with a deep social life as i had with students, i will not be here, save for punctual audio needs of information...

I like people as much as i like music...

mahgister

... i came back because i am curious about all people opinions and life.,..

That is a beautiful thought, @mahgister.

I read your thoughts an opinion here  since i am here i think...

Then even if we can disagree i cannot but consider you a "friend"  like some far off family member with which i can agree or disagree, it does not change the feeling relation. If we pay attention to each others for sure... 

Empathy is for our own understanding of life as hearings is for audio...Perception...

 

That is a beautiful thought, @mahgister.

 

 

 

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Zero, None, Zilch.

Only @immatthewj  and @nonoise

And still more words of wisdom from the member formerly known as @jerryg123 .  I have got to give you credit for being consistent, @texasblues1959 .

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I start to think that disdain and irreconcilable differences are the real glue here.

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I value the input of several posters here.  I really wish there were a way to block the rest. 

and sans upvote/downvote, not removing comments would be the only fair solution to free speech and a somewhat level playing field. Outrageous, wildly insulting comments remain on these threads forever while fact based comments have been deleted because they hurt someone's feelings - i.e. they are bothered by the truth. 

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@emergingsoul 

I could not have said it any better.  I am not a big poster, but I read the discussions daily to maintain what little Audio knowledge I have!  There are very knowledgable audiophiles here, who help so many people, even when many answers are "too" easy.   Some answers require valid questions.  If one cares for a good answer, this forum will help those get in the right direction.  Obviously there are posts such as this, that may stir things up, but it allows me to say thank you to all that help and teach.

You are very much appreciated and respected.

Tom

Don't worry folks. Pretty soon texasjerry will lose it like he always has. He always goes out with a bang, cursing, berating, using huge font, etc. Not long after he does that, he'll be banned again.

It might behoove newer members here to take notes (mental or the old fashioned way) so when he does reincarnate himself with a new moniker, that weird feeling that you've heard this tool before but just can't place him will all come to fore and then make sense.

All the best,
Nonoise

Fewer and fewer…for various reasons but there is still some intellectual value to be had…

Love this forum, although I am firmly against deleting messages. We should let everyone see the "warts and all" thoughts of our more poorly informed denizens.

Love this forum, although I am firmly against deleting messages. We should let everyone see the "warts and all" thoughts of our more poorly informed denizens.

The delicate sensibilities of some are easily bruised.

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I do have a mental filter for some members who comment here daily and have gone on insane and revolting  tirades that insulted about 70% of the world population. I wonder if they would speak to their children or neighbors like that....

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To quote SNS’s comment “ I use social media as a survey…” 

Similar to my approach to buying something from Amazon… look at the comments, see the overall rating and see what the pattern is and learn about the product. 
If a opinion about a product is presented well with no huge bias or too singular a point I respect that but so often opinions are very narrow focused which I don’t find as helpful.

I get astonished at the negative mud slinging… it’s a hobby and as long as you enjoy your stuff that’s all that is really important.

 

If member opinions don’t carry any weight, there is always a quick account delete button.

But, here it is, an entire lousy thread on this topic smh..."except for a few exceptions", he says...he must be a very special high level kinda guy, right fellas?..mmhm, we've seen his kind.... Well, one could always approximate the "few" to "zero" (3/1000 is approximately equal to 0/1000) and just close his account, i suppose.

A moment of self-reflection, ah...I primarily log on here check classifieds/check if the kind of stuff i want shows up or not.... to be fair, I suppose one would also keep an open account for that purpose.

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@deep_333 Remember, they can always do that to you! Lose, lose in my opinion.

"If member opinions don’t carry any weight, there is always a quick account delete button."

I tend to discount posts by some that show little or no empathy for others. 

Posting for me is largely about helping others. That requires empathy.  How can anyone advise others on what may be best for them without empathy?   

Just because something works for me does not mean it will work for anyone else and vice versa. 

I believe it’s important to understand that and provide feedback to others that considers their unique scenario and preferences, which may or may not resemble mine. 

Each case is different.  There is no single solution that is best for all. 

People that lack empathy have difficulty understanding that reality.  Rather they expect that what works for themselves works for all. 

It’s the source of a lot of conflict in the world.   Good sound may be a relatively trivial topic in the grand scale of things, but the same rules apply.

I am empathetic with everyone naturally, at least i try, i try to stay positive and nice but i like to discuss even uncomfortable truth sometimes, i admit this point,  in my own passionate way (as acoustics basics being the root of our hobby not purchasing upgrades) once this is said,

 i think as  Nassim Nicholas  Taleb, that :

«if you want to be at once rational and ethical, you must have the courage to accept that being nice to an ass...e is equivalent to being an ass...e to someone nice»

I think Taleb is right but we must begin by being nice ourselves to everybody, if not it will be impossible to distinguish between nice people and  not so nice one.

 

mapman said it well in one sentence :

There is no single solution that is best for all. 

This is true.None of us had the same goal, budget, gear, room, and wife... wink

But for example , acoustics science is the basis of audio, not the inevitable upgrades race and  it is not a debatable question...

Then i cannot go back on this point just to be nice...

 Once this is said i value the opinions of everyone here even if i disagree or even if will not take it in account for purchasing or to fine tune my system/room, i value others opinion as  different valuable human expressions which add something unique to aspects of society and humanity...

 

There are a number of posters who know what they are talking about and whose opinions I value.
On the other hand there is one in particular who makes lengthy posts which are full of rubbish, off track and who has no understanding of what a PM is. And there are some who would be better off on ASR.

There is dude, laoman,  also who send mail of insults and harassed me  in private mail...

He just wrote an hypocrital post above without the courage to name me...

If we analyse my post text information content with many referential articles versus the idiot sending insulting email in my private box the matter will be settled easily...

 Sorry but i defend myself  when someone attack  with falsities and even with just  insinuation ...

By the way i learned a lot when i discussed rationally with some ASR member here...But laoman is unable to learn from someone with whom he disagree it seems...

 I welcome everyone ... Amir included ... If they dont imitate laoman with harassment and no arguments save insults...

 

I did not name anyone because I did not want to embarrass anyone- however you just did a good job of embarrassing yourself. I find it amusing that you recognise yourself as making bloviated, meaningless, nonsensical posts.

I don't think there is reason to PM anybody (unless the two of you are engaging in a private liaison). If you've got something to say, do it in public and don't be a coward.

In one way or another this forum has had an influence on my rig. I first learned about my phono pre from reading threads on this forum.

After speaking with Keith Herron on and off over a couple of years he called me and asked if I still wanted him to build me a phono pre? This was after he retired from Herron Audio. He said he found enough parts to build a couple more. Of course I said yes! He unofficially called mine a VTPH-2ae. E for enhanced. It’s been in the rig for over three years. I’ve had a 6k solid state phono pre in the rig to compare but switched back to the Herron. 

The crazy thing about this hobby is that I’m sure I could find a solid state or another tube phono pre that would sound better but at what cost? I need money for more albums.

 

My blind to-go audiogoner was "almarg". Still miss him.

But there are others here who I know (from being here and reading their posts) who are genuinely adding value and  providing support. Most of these are folks who have been here for a while and at some point had their system posted. There are some newer folks, who have system posted and discuss only those equipment that they own. 

I do not trust the following people and completely ignore them:

1. Who have no system posted

2. Seem to know every single equipment

3. User who have joined recently and talk negative

4. Users who shrill for a product day in and day out (once a while is alright). Such posters seem to get angry when you question the product.

5. Users who show as "joined before 2003", but started posting tons of messages only recently. These seem like hacked accounts.