ACTUAL MUSICAL SOUND VS. MEASUREMENTS


Is it just me or am I the only one that has had it with overly pushy audiophiles that push measurements as the end all be all. I’m not talking about healthy discussions on measurements but obnoxious ones that talk down to you because of the measurements of your system or equipment is not perfect for them? All cables and cords are snake oil to them if it doesn’t register on their meters? Am I the only that feels this way? 

calvinj

Measurements are critical

How else would I know if it's going to fit in my rack

I couldn’t agree more with your sentiment. While measurements have their place in audio as a tool to guide design and provide some objective insights, they can never fully encapsulate the actual listening experience. The relentless focus on measurements over at places like Audio Science Review completely misses the point for me. Audio gear isn’t just about technical perfection on paper, it’s about how it engages you emotionally and connects you to the music.

I’ve encountered far too many people who dismiss cables, components, or even entire systems based solely on what their meters tell them, without ever giving them a fair listen. To me, that’s not what being an audiophile is about. No measurement can replicate the nuances of live music or the way a particular setup resonates with you personally. Listening is what ultimately matters, and it’s frustrating when people ignore that in favor of a purely numbers-driven approach. Music is an art form, not a science experiment!

It’s a great thread, thank ya’ll!

Sometimes I wonder how the proponents of measurements live their lives. I’d imagine it must be quite dull if everything is reduced to numbers and data, without room for personal experience or enjoyment.

 

 

 

 

Music would be all out of tune without measurements, eh? 😉

Case closed.

 

Mapman. Do you mean that humans did not make music before they could measure it? That doesn’t make sense to me. There are some tribal people today (I think) who make music and don’t read or write and have not heard of notes on a page.

Mapman is exactly right..., music would be all out of tune without measurements.

Take a string instrument as an example. On a string instrument, one octave is half the string length, and each subsequent octave is half that length.  Same goes for an organ pipe. 

Every note in the octave has an exacting length to produce that note in tune.

Get the measurements wrong, and everything is out of tune.

Basic engineering. When you are buying a car or a home, do you look for quality construction and actual measured performance. Or do you trust tales of "italian soul"? Same thing.

Poorly designer equipment will still sound great with some music in some room. Say, your room has resonances. Well, speaker that dips at those frequencies will sound great to you. Flat speaker will sound horrible. So there. Equipment that measures oddly is just and equalizer.

Why, cables will greatly affect old type tube equipment where input or output impedance is reactive. Poorly designed power supplies will be sensitive to power cables.

Now, Ethernet cables do not matter. Seriously. :-)