A SHOCKING DISCOVERY ABOUT DIGITAL AUDIO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Z7Ds_yv8o

Why do you guys keep feeding this troll???

oy vey

The responses are almost hysterically funny.  Wow, a really funny forum here!  Masterbaiter is Kenjit-I love it!

@dill: Your comment at the top of this thread reminds me, the owner of a fishing trawler based in Gloucester, Massachusetts, that I’m in need of a crew member who’s skilled at prepping fishing lines for deployment - in other words, I’m on the lookout for a Master Baiter.

This clown again...

The OP is misunderstanding what "bit perfect" means.  If I play something from my Plex Server on my MSB DAC, that file will be "bit perfect," i.e., the file on the Plex Server is the same file being played on the MSB DAC.  But just because I can play a file from my Plex Server to my MSB DAC "bit perfect," does not mean that, as OP apparently suggests, an MP3 file is "bit perfect" to the same file on a CD.  Obviously that is not the case, as an MP3 is a lossy format and therefore by definition cannot be "bit perfect" to the original file on the CD.

sounds like Sony & Philips cheating on doing DSD 😂 or your ears cheating on your brain? 🙊🤔

ALL HAIL!

Clickbait, and in upper case too.  

You got me.

I'm so glad you put it all in capitals!

I don't even have to read it to know it's full of cr@p.

At least try to be coherent when spouting nonsense.  

Most stuff on pandora sounds just fine to me. Maybe I’m going deaf....I honestly think that CD quality is good enough, as in a cd transport to a good dac. To pursue beyond that provides not much an improvement if any to my ears. I tend not to dwell too much on it though, as I feel vinyl is where it's at. No, Not the majority of the new stuff, but the older records from say 1950's to the late 80's...

Read the post and Re-read it again (regrettably);…= a .brain fart! 

Looks like Agon has jumped the troll shark. Time go away for awhile of find a new sight for intelligent conversation!

this is overstating it, and not apt given the situation, imo

you hang here for some time, read what is posted, reflect, and stay attentive and engaged... there will be certain (a small minority of) usernames you come to associate with being invariably unhelpful and needlessly provocative, so you just ignore those entries, or treat them as being the garbage that they are

most threads are legit discussions, or folks seeking help, and receiving it

Looks like Agon has jumped the troll shark. Time go away for awhile of find a new sight for intelligent conversation!

Bits is bits. CD is perfect audio. Wav is the same as lossless. FLAC is the same as the original.

Such naivety.

Now we have the hindsight to know how complex the data stream is and how so many untold things effect the conversion. It is amazing that we are still getting trolled by this stuff. 

Digital can reproduce the sounds of analog, analog can only reproduce sounds of analog, things improve over time but most people refuse that the new can be better than the old.

I enjoy digital as a way to discover new music. 

@kenjit     You mean you think you heard it.

Op said nothing and contradicted himself. If mp3 are so much better why do you imply cds sound better? Just trying to ruffle feathers by saying nothing. Kenjit has always posted one ridiculous post after another for years. Doesn’t contribute anything of value. I’m convinced he doesn’t even own a stereo. If he does, he isn’t willing to share because it’s an all in one Chinese stereo one would have maybe plugged into the wall in their garage 20 years ago next to the dog food and screwdrivers. Better yet, maybe he built the “perfect” speakers he thinks should be made out of concrete only to find out everyone else saying that was an idiotic idea we’re somehow actually correct.

I come here just for nonoise's gifs.

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Y'all know the best way to silence kenjit is to just ignore him, right? Perhaps you just can't resist opening up the "box".

Hmmm.  Not really a discovery.  Your point?

Kenjit brings to mind the Stevie Smith poem - to parphrase - " But still he lay moaning - I was too far out all my life not (wav)ing but drowning."

Bit perfect when 90% of bits are actually missing? Well, at least those 10% from the original song are perfect!

@perkri .  Public forum.  Not sure what it takes to be banned, but as long as you play by the rules??? Equal  Opportunity  Destroyer. 

Oh, he can hear things we can’t. There are soooooo many voices in his head, and only he, the Kenidjit, can hear them.

Why does Audiogon keep letting this clown back on the forum? 
 

Consistently condescending towards the ENTIRE Audiogon community. Posts the most idiotic comments. 
 

Clearly Audiogon doesn’t care this clown is turning this forum into a circus.

ho ho ho...

You're right @kenjit . I don't believe you.

Nobody believes you! You manage to leave a trail of disbelief whatever forum you pollute. 

Answer this one: When you heard this difference, what speakers were you listening through?

That is the shocking thing. You won't believe me but I was using a cheap pair of earbuds. Not speakers. I expect I would still hear the difference with speakers but I did not try. 

kenjit has the most arduous listening routine of any audiophile. Here he is signaling which ear he hears the signal with:

All the best,
Nonoise

@kenjit 

Answer this one: When you heard this difference, what speakers were you listening through?

kenjit

Of course I deserve accolades if I can hear something few people can.

Why?

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DeKay

"The second shocking discovery i have made recently is that i can actually hear the difference between 320kbps and wav. I never thought i could do it but i heard it." 

- Notice there was no mention of what sounded different, just that it sounded different. As usual from his posts, no actual useful info, just patting himself on the back and looking for accolades ... Time would be better spent for him engaging the "shift" key for the "i".

Why do you have to pick up something amir said in another thread and repeat it as your finding? 

But the question is whether the rest of you can?

Question mark added. My answer is YES!

Where is the evidence the recordings were done using ultra high bandwidth microphones

This question tells you all you need to know. (mic drop)

Suppose you constantly try to pass yourself off as an audio genius.  And suppose you are an idiot.  But I repeat myself.  

"I hope his comment was tongue in cheek or maybe finger in ear"

- As far as the history of the OP and all his posts in this and other forums, the "finger" certainly doesn't belong in the ear ...

Nah, we are all going to save a lot of money and subscribe to lossy Spotify and praise the Swedes who own it and their infinite wisdom.

I have said that I can hear the difference between 320 kbps and wav. But the question is whether the rest of you can. If you can't then lossy spotify is fine for the rest of you. 

Come on, even the OP has to know that you can't throw out nearly 60% of the information in a file and expect it to be "bit perfect

These high rez files are mostly a scam.Where are spotify and Tidal getting hold of all these high rez recordings? The Master recordings were probably all cd quality. Where is the evidence the recordings were done using ultra high bandwidth microphones, analogue/ digital gear? 

Nah, we are all going to save a lot of money and subscribe to lossy Spotify and praise the Swedes who own it and their infinite wisdom. Lossless better-quality files? Yeah, who needs them, right?  Uh, no. Just no. Come on, even the OP has to know that you can't throw out nearly 60% of the information in a file and expect it to be "bit perfect". I hope his comment was tongue in cheek or maybe finger in ear....

Keep them coming Kenjit 

Lots of funny guys here these days.  Unfortunately OP ain’t one of those. 

@kota1 

You stand alone in that rarified space, IDK what space, but you are alone in it.

That is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear. Thankyou. You are correct.

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