Stereophiles Recommended components offerings at $300,000 Plus! And weights of many hundreds of pounds? Is quality now by the pound? Audiphools exist- just like Saquatch.
I did not have contempt at all for anybody able to buy hyper costly audio product near 1 million bucks...I say that to be clear...
On the opposite i want an invitation to listen to his system...😊
I dont want to judge people on their bank account( save those who claim to be philanthopist when in many cases it is false Gates being with Rockfeller evident case of hypocrisy)
Is it clear ?😊
But i refuse the audiophile propaganda linking linearly S.Q. with price tags marketing idiotic race to upgrades without end which is used to separate those who knows pieces of gear branded name and those who do not then naming them "poor and ignorant" ...
my point is simple: ONLY ACOUSTICS concepts and parameters controls can give us TOP experience relatively proportional for sureto the gear pieces design quality and synergy ... ( acoustics here is NOT MERE room acoustic by the way, we must open an acoustics book to understand this point, if someone do not understand at all the timbre concept dimensions at play how can he could improve it at optimal cost and for the optimal result, not understanding what to do next ? ) ..
Indignation about expensive luxury products that we can't afford is completely relative. You have contempt for someone who would pay $300,000 for a turntable. Imagine how a subsistance farmer in many parts of the third world would feel about the audio gear that our forum members buy every day. We spend the equivalent of several years, or even decades, of their salary on a DAC or a stupid phono cartridge. It's obscene.
The problem is not our freedom to buy anything...You missed the point...
The problem is calling "poor and ignorant" any audiophile who care more about basic knowledge than obsessive consumerism...Inducing this obsessive behaviour conditioned by marketers, this erroneous idea that price tags define audiophile people journey as an endless race, instead of the wise search for a good sound when listening music by studying very basic acoustics concepts that define all aspects of sound as we must perceived them in balance with one another in a room ...
Balance of acoustics factors exist for any system at any price. This does not means that my systems at low cost even very well balanced and satisfying will rival all costlier system, their comparison will be related to many acoustics parameters which must be experienced and not merely to the price of each pieces of gear as a sum of money...
Ignorance is the main state in general in any group of people. Audiophiles are not an exception. But my moto is we can learn. 😊
If somebody informed an individual they are now able to look at properties worth $5M they would be quite excited about such a prospect of the Homelife Environment they could select up to that outlay. Not all will max out on the allowed for budget
There are some who learn a $1/4M vehicle is an option for a means of Transport, not all will make the purchase.
In relation to a Hobby, the idea of spending a substantial sum on a means to be entertained, seems ludicrous to many, a TT costing $200K - $400K does look excessive. There are home entertainment rooms now being produced or swimming pools that cost 2-3 x the above TT costing and is merely a different means to a form of entertainment. Funny how these slip under the Radar without a raised eyebrow, $1M to invite a few friends over for a Movie Night or Pool Party.
When certain types of individual want to amuse themselves and additionally impress, there is not an easily identifiable Threshold to be seen on the spending , the purse strings seemingly become very loose.
If one has the wherewithal to drop major $s' into their pursuit....fine.
Their $s' help push the SOTA further along....I'd hope, in any case.
If they can make a buck out of it, good....but it'd be nice if the tech involved would eventually filter down to us grunts....which has happened previously....
Look at the specs of '50's ~ '70's equipment of Then v. Now, and keep in mind the 'relative costs' adjustments.
Even some 'lo-fi' items are better overall....certainly smaller & lighter.... *G*
Bill Gates is one of the great philanthropists of our lifetimes. So, give the guy a break on the cost of his audio system, as if any of us knew what that was.
I think you are just not cognizant of the concentration of wealth the U.S. economy - and many but not all - capitalist countries in the world have experienced in the past 2 or 3 decades.
When you literally could not spend all your money on a daily basis fast enough to exhaust it if your life depended on it, then such conspicuous and gratutitous consumption becomes simply a pleasant way to pass some of the time. Nothing to get too excited about...
I dont bash high cost turntable no more than i bash any high end system...
Do you know how to read a post in context?
I contradict someone who think that a turnatable of 300,000 dollars is a piece of gear we must buy if we have the money instead of a toy Gates could buy ...
I answered to this :
From their point of view perhaps you are the fool living in ignorance and poverty.
What is audiophile knowledge cannot be bought... It must be learned by experiments and studying , the electrical,mechanical and acoustical basics ...
Poverty is not only about the money purse... Thats my point answering this sentence..
Where do i bash high end product here ?
anybody can buy the gear he want if it is for the better... But basic audio knowledge had nothing to do with price tags . NONE ...When knowledge is there we can use for the best any system...This is knowledge...Not the gear price...
We are here to enjoy music in the best relative acoustic conditions according to our purse for sure... But calling ignorant and poor someone who can afford a high end piece of excessively high price is meaningless..
Acoustics rule audio design not price tags.
If my neighbour because he can buy one, buy a formula One car to go to work and say to me over our garden fence smiling looking at my car that i am the one ignorant and poor because i cannot buy one , what do you think i will answer? Do you think my answer will be a bashing of the formula One design and cost ?😊
By the way i know that ghdprenticeIs a wise guy and will never call Ignorant and poor someone unable to afford this turntable. But Bill Gates will ...I answered him...
By the way thinking that ONLY money for buying gear can give us a TOP audio system is not even wrong... Knowledge is more useful in all aspects thats my point ..
«The text must be read on the paper context not from your brain biases»-- Anonymus reader 🕶
Do you think i am a fool living in ignorance and poverty because my basic system optimized is 1000 bucks value seriously ?
I replied because your post suppose that experimenting a new piece of gear is knowledge...But buying a new car is not mechanical knowledge even if someone buy a formula1...
Knowledge will be learning everything about the car not buying it ...
The same is true for turntable and acoustics...
😊😊
Bill Gates for example buying gear instead of learning basic acoustic himself because he had no time to do it and keeping his system at the highest gear cost possible would be in my opinion the fool living in ignorance and poverty of thinking because of obsessive greed and compulsive idea ( which idea could it be here apart for buying 300,000 turntable ? ) ... 😁
Anyway Gates will buy the best acoustician on earth for sure to match the turntable...
My answer is obsession for turntable at this price is ignorance if not poverty in money it is poor thinking ...
By the way i did not doubt this turntable is a good one ...😉
If I had a price no object system I would definitely have a listen to it. Just because you don’t have the money doesn’t mean someone who does is a fool. From their point of view perhaps you are the fool living in ignorance and poverty.
If I had a price no object system I would definitely have a listen to it. Just because you don’t have the money doesn’t mean someone who does is a fool. From their point of view perhaps you are the fool living in ignorance and poverty.
I'm bemused by the fact that keyboard cowboys who have never heard a product know so much about it. No one has to buy a better turntable. If you don't want to spend $300,000 don't!
Turntables, unlike cars, or boats are not mass produced. Everything on them is expensive. If you can make one as good, but for less money, put yourself in the upper class building one and then finding someone dumb enough to buy it.
I would draw a parallel to automobiles: a $2,500 car will get you most places you need to go, but there are cars for sale at $25,000, $100,000, $250,000, $2,500,000, all the way up to $25,000,000. Where do you draw the line? It’s different for each person.
While I'm not going to buy a $300,000 turntable (or a $1000 turntable for that matter) I am not going to call somone an fool for buying something that I've never heard.
That thinking could apply to a lot of threads here, often bashing equipment that isn't nearly as expensive.
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