Did somebody forget to take his smart pill this morning? The only way to proceed and the way that’s effective, is to establish proper direction one fuse at a time. Duh! 😛 Any other way is like trying to solve x number of simultaneous equations in x + n unknowns. Make sense? 😳
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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@mitch2 This video of a typical fuse factory shows the rough and tumble a fuse goes through before it’s even sorted and packed. By the time it is finished, there’s no way to tell unless you test each and every fuse. I'm assuming that aftermarket fuses are made in the same manner, just to different specs and treatment. All the best, Nonoise |
I don't see that the video disputes mitch2's point. If it's the wire that gives the fuse directionality, why can't the wire be inserted into the fuse with one of the end caps marked? I assume the machine will be inserting each piece of wire into the fuse in the same directionality as the previous one. Perhaps its the cost of having to buy cap ends that some are marked and some are not? |
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood. |
uberwaltz - Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz @uberwaltz By all means, please do let me know of anything non-sensible you find with my question to you 04-06-2018 11:44am herein this thread. My suspicion is the answer to my question in that post is "no". Happy listening. |
geoffkait - Gdhal, would it be safe to say you’re experiencing another one of your Deadhead acid flashbacks? Or are you always like this? 😬 Question. Have you given any consideration to going back and finishing up your GED? 😀Possible. Admittedly, I suspect my mind isn't always as "normal" as it would have been had I not "experimented". |
My experience with SR blue fuses indicate a consistency in their directionality. The Black SR fuses and Blue SR fuses exhibited the same directionality (writing on the fuse and arrow). In one pair of mono-blocks the writing faced inward on both screw-in fuse holders. In another stereo amp the writing faced outward on a screw-in fuse holder. My conclusion is that the fuses are probably consistent in directionality but equipment using the same basic purpose (turn-on power supply fuses) can differ. |
wolf_garcia I seriously doubt that HiFI tuning and SR would be conferencing together, but if they were, why? Planning a sales territory treaty? Trading fuse coating recipes? Deciding on the table settings for a masked ball? One thing claimed "insiders" can't know is the ratio of audiophile fuse "naysayers" to "the faithful." A point successfully ignored by Kaitty. I get continued flack for repeatedly asking why fuses work, and although it's not "rocket science," this this forum thread is about expensive fuses, not rockets. Nobody has yet to make clear in any post anywhere what these special tiny wires do to "gain about an octave in low bass response," or help a system become "transformed into a magical music machine." Without the pesky directional issue. How? Why? Remember, regardless of the quantum coating of vibration damping directional nano juice, it's a teeny, tiny, little wire that is designed to melt. What you believe is entirely irrelevant to me. You can jibber jabber until you’re blue in the face, knock yourself out. |
If it's the wire that gives the fuse directionality, why can't the wire be inserted into the fuse with one of the end caps marked?If a mains fuse is marked as a reference to directionalality, the the manufacturer would be liable. As there is no direction with main voltage as it changes (cycles) 60 x a second. The only way this could be seen as directional, is if the fuse was taken out and reversed 60 x a second as well to stay in syc with the mains. BTW Jetter, had a quick look at your fuse "snake oil" posts, and it seems you are neither yay or nay, are you a fence sitter on the subject, is this right or did I miss something? Cheers George |
oem-wheels103 posts04-07-2018 12:49pm Ah, but!!!! the awesome foursome or their cronies will say it has to "burn-in" another 646hrs before it magically turns on or expectation bias sets in, and that’s 1hr past the 30 day return date. Send it back now, express. Cheers George |
mapman These fuse threads woukd make a great Monty Python sketch. Way better than the granny gangs bit. moops, you remind me of the Monty Python sketch where the guy brought his parrot back to the pet store and complained they had sold him a dead parrot, The guy at the counter told him it’s not dead. It’s just sleeping. |
First, if there is no improvement immediately, install the fuse in the opposite direction. If still no improvement, then send it back, it doesn't work for your audio system. Building an audio system requires synergy, if it doesn't improve the sound, then at that point in building a system it is a wrong choice. It maybe a correct choice in the future as the audio system changes. It's an art to building a system, not a science. |
@nonoise Here is another video of a fuse manufacturing machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47mBkCTWQJs that shows the element soldered to one end cap first. If SR thought directionality were so important it seems they could mark the end cap that the element is first soldered to, maintain one directionality of the wire, and then basically, Bob is your uncle. I can't believe SR would risk having up to half of their $150 fuses being returned for not working as advertised when the only problem is that the fuse should be turned around. Notice the end result is a purple fuse....I hope I didn't let the cat out of the bag on the color of the new SR fuse.....did anybody say $200? |
Good idea OP - buy the fuse, try the fuse, 646 hours, turn it around, 646 hours, return it, receive/install replacement, 646 hours, turn it around, 646 hours, and then, and only then, if you don't like it you can return it for your refund. I have like 18 fuses in my system, so I should be able to have my fuses squared away sometime before 2020. I think I need an owner's manual. |
geoffkait - "Gdhal, would it be safe to say you’re experiencing another one of your Deadhead acid flashbacks?"gdhal "Possible. Admittedly, I suspect my mind isn't always as "normal" as it would have been had I not "experimented". gdhal, you're in good company here." Geoff, "...Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood. " Just a wild guess, but I'm pretty sure none of them would have used their intellectual curiosity to argue if wire, or fuses are directional. Turning the tables a bit, they probably would think anyone who does as much as you might have a "bit" of problem that a hit or two of acid might just help. You know, to turn you in the right direction.. |
georgehifi "BTW Jetter, had a quick look at your fuse "snake oil" posts, and it seems you are neither yay or nay, are you a fence sitter on the subject, is this right or did I miss something?" I am a fence sitter only because of the number of people whose opinions I respect claiming to hear a difference with their new fuses. On the other hand, I think that the wild claims that a fuse is like a new component are over the top. Intellectually I don't think that the little 1/2" fuse wire can make an audible difference in the 100s of feet of wire a component has and my choice is to spend my money on new (or NOS) tubes. Also, while I understand that wire is "drawn" through dies to achieve different sizing, I don't think any directionality this imparts would result in an audible difference, especially in a fuse. And then there's the alternating current argument. Last, my system is pretty laid back, I live in what most on here probably would consider the country. I can picture a number of posters buying every new piece of equipment and upgrade of gear with the goal of ultimate resolution, and spending hours training their ears and brains to differentiate tiny differences in sound. So I consider it possible that they may hear differences most others may not, it not being a priority. |
jetter geoffkait - "Gdhal, would it be safe to say you’re experiencing another one of your Deadhead acid flashbacks?" gdhal "Possible. Admittedly, I suspect my mind isn’t always as "normal" as it would have been had I not "experimented". gdhal, you’re in good company here." >>>>Well, without making a big deal about it, it appears the new “normal” is pseudo skepticism and lack of curiosity. I did not realize pschedelics turned people into pseudo-scientist robots. That’s pretty weird. 🤖 🤖 🤖 😛 Geoff, "...Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood. " Just a wild guess, but I’m pretty sure none of them would have used their intellectual curiosity to argue if wire, or fuses are directional. Turning the tables a bit, they probably would think anyone who does as much as you might have a "bit" of problem that a hit or two of acid might just help. You know, to turn you in the right direction.. >>>>This all just proves how stubborn pseudo skeptics are in holding onto their ridiculous arguments in spite of all the evidence. You guys got no evidence. You got nothing. That is what we call intellectual dishonesty. Looks like a simple case little scamps teasing the big boys. Don’t you scamps have better things to do? Let’s drink to the little people. 😛 |
News Flash!! The directionality exhibited by fuses, including stock fuses, is only the tip of the iceberg. The directionality of fuses means that all wire is directional. All speaker cables, interconnects, digital cables, umbilical cables, tonearm wires, headphone cables, internal speaker wiring, internal amplifier and preamplifier wiring, wire in capacitors, wire in transformers, wire in inductors, wire in power cords, whatever. They’re all directional. |
@mitch2 I saw that same video as well. One has to assume that the end caps are all the same when set up for the first round of install and that the ceramic tubes are all facing the same way when inserted. That's a lot of assuming. If they did, wouldn't it slow down production, being so exacting? Also, aftermarket fuse makers have already stated that if you think the fuse is directional, try it for yourself, probably for the reasons mentioned. All the best, Nonoise |
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jetter We did run out of valid things to say a while ago. Disagreement is the common denominator that keeps many long running threads alive. Thanks for keeping the thread alive, jitter. One assumes you’re speaking for yourself. I also suspect you’re actually mistaking honest disagreement for plain old bullheadedness. 🐂 Note to self: It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. 🐠 🐠 🐠 🐠 |
I didn't mean to come on like a big 'ol bucket of cold water with the tribalism schtick but when I saw that George was going over a member's past posts to see if he could recruit him left coffee on my monitor. I had just woken up after sleeping in and my fingers got the better of me. All the best, Nonoise |
Tel555 is welcome to go back to the black fuse page (or was it part of the red fuse pages?) and review my test process which includes comments on the source of the fuses and what happened to them. They were all returned, even the blown ones. Also, although Kaitty claims he doesn't care what I say, he graciously re-posts everything I say as a service to others who can miss things the first time around. Thanks Kaitty. |
