The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
geoffkait - >>>>>>Maybe the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight? Actually, I’m thinking more along the lines of this James Madison... (X5). http://mistupid.com/currency/ |
jetter Hey Socrates gait (sic), don't forget his top two, "True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing. I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing." Your humble primitive scribe. >>>>I could have told you that you know nothing a long time ago. You don’t need Socrates to tell you. Hel-loo! Hey, you guys could be the Know Nothing Party. 🕺🏻 |
How about, The unexamined life is not worth living. (Can that pertain to fuses?) Wonder is the beginning of wisdom. ( I wonder if a different fuse can better my sound.) There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance. (I don’t want to know if another fuse sounds better.) There seems to be a common thread to his thinking..... Socrates would have at least tried a different fuse before taking his life at the behest of the audio naysayers. All the best, Nonoise |
Ok, this is way off base. But in 67/8 I paid my 3.50 to attend a grateful dead concert at the Arc, a new venue near Fenway. Bear in mind that in those days most venues, like the Boston Tea Party were empty building with psychedelic posters on the wall. But very cool. So I paid my 3.50 and because I was late, they make me stand on the stage with the dead, next to the organist, one foot from the drummers, and five feet from Gerry who kept staring at me. You'd think that was great, but I was pissed off because I was stuck there while my friends were in the back cutting loose with the primo ladies we knew back then. Very primo ladies. |
@gdhal Not bad. I had to read up on Jerry Garcia’s take on pop memes, cynics, patriotism, and the impeachment of Tricky Dick (I was never a Dead Head). Not sure how it ties in with the thread (unless it’s the word "fuse"as a reference) but Ship of Fools came out at the same time and I see how that ties in with the impeachment as well. All the best, Nonoise |
uberwaltz This is probably the only thoughtful thing you’ve said. And I agree. MODS PLEASE SHUT THIS TOXIC THREAD DOWN! Cheers George |
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For any controversial audiophile tweak down through history, including fancy fuses, the Green Pen, Mpingo discs, Silver Rainbow Foil, the Intelligent Chip, the VPI Brick, Cable directionality, crystals, the Tice Clock, the Clever Little Clock, Ultra Tweeters, the Red ‘x Pen, directional power cords, tiny little bowl resonators, CD treatments, CD edge beveler, Water Bowls, the photos in the freezer tweak, Tourmaline Gun, and a host of others too many too count there has always sprung up a cadre of Chicken Littles warning young naive audiophiles of the danger lurking right in their midst, threatening lawsuits and even the dreaded Double Blind Tests, whatever, all to protect the sacred laws of science and expose the witchery and fraud. The one percenters. 😀 The sky is Falling! The sky is falling! 🐥 🐥 🐥 Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn and caldron bubble. Fillet of a fenny snake, In the caldron boil and bake; Eye of newt and toe of frog, Wool of bat and tongue of dog, Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting, Lizard’s leg and howlet’s wing, For a charm of powerful trouble, Like a hell-broth boil and bubble. |
@gdhal It takes a high opinion of oneself to consider anyone reading these threads to be naive, setting yourself up as some kind of savior. Period. Going back over the fuse threads there are lots of people who've tried them, like them, but wisely stay off threads like this. Why get into a pissing contest when you know how to spell your name in the snow? No need to whip it out again. 😄 All the best, Nonoise |
nonoise - It takes a high opinion of oneself to consider anyone reading these threads to be naive, setting yourself up as some kind of savior. @nonoise Regarding the naivety, I disagree with your premise that I’m setting myself up as a savior. Hopeful to be, yes. Expecting to be, no. My job is to shed light, and not to master. In my view, this is not about wisdom, pissing contents, or genitalia. Instead, it is about the amusement and entertainment I glean at your and other like minded folks expense. |
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I have always heard psychedelic drugs were supposed to have the effect upon the user oft described as a freeing of the mind, or expansion of the mind. Kind of the opposite reaction I observe in our dead head friends, gdhal and jitter. Perhaps the optimism surrounding psychedelics as regards mind expansion should be tempered with a little cold hard reality such as can be found in the pages of Huxley’s epic, The Doors of Perception including his essay, Heaven and Hell. Made the scene Week to week Day to day Hour to hour The gate is straight Deep and wide Break on through to the other side Break on through to the other side Break on through Break on through Break on through Break on through Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah “Turn on, tune in, drop dead.” - Alfred. E. Newman 🤡 |
I wonder if anybody buying expensive fuses understands that electrons have no memory of where they have been not to mention that the power is filtered to negative and positive DC to send to the rails. A good conductor has free electrons on the outer shell of the atom that jump from atom to atom and will always take the path of least resistance, they do not care what material so long as there are enough atoms with a given amount of free electrons to pass enough total electrons at any given time to meet the demand. Individual electrons do this at (>100000m/s) regardless of what type of foil or metal the free electrons came from and that does not change in any conductor. The fuse will either conduct enough current to satisfy the load without blowing or it will not in the case of the fuse being undersized. To think it does anything whatsoever to influence the sound in any way is delusional and demonstrates complete lack of understanding how electricity works. If the equipment has a component malfunction that causes excessive current draw, the fuse had better blow or it’s too big for the application. Being an audio enthusiast since I was young and having been an avionics tech for 32 years including formal electronics training, I really get disappointed when people substitute mysticism for lack of knowledge. Most do not even know how an amplifier works and do not realize that none of the electrons coming from their audio source ever reach the speakers. To oversimplify, an amplifier takes wall current filtered to negative and positive DC and shapes a facsimile of the input signal as closely and accurately as it is capable of doing and sends the facsimile from wall current to the speakers. I will say that if someone was to sneak into these people’s homes and replace their blue fuses with a piece of coat-hanger, they would never know the difference until they change to purple fuses or red or whatever when they come out and see the coat-hanger material or something malfunctions in the component and it burns up due to lack of protection. The human mind is very good at convincing people they hear things because they have invested. Some people see parasites in their stools that are not really there because they are so certain they are there yet the perplexed relatives, doctors and lab technicians are shaking their heads at this. Finally, has anyone even dissected these wonder fuses? What is wrong with your system that you think fuses will correct? |
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Are upgraded PC’s and IC’s audible? How about upgraded caps? Any news about upgraded wall outlets, power conditioners and vibration control items? Frank |
Re electron velocity in copper wire: Although the drift velocity in a wire is small, the thermal velocity of the electrons tends to be quite large. Something of the order of 100,000 meters/sec. So they are buzzing about at random at high speeds, with a small superimposed drift velocity caused by the electric field. Electric current is essentially a measure of how many charge carriers you can move through a given cross-section of conductor in a given amount of time. This will depend on the size of the cross section, the number of charge carriers, and their velocity. A current of 1 A corresponds to a transfer of 1 Coulomb of charge per second. An electron carries 1.6*10-19C so you need to move 6.3*10^18 electrons/sec. Divide by the density of electrons in a copper wire (about 8.45*10^22 electrons/cm^3) and the cross section of the wire (for AWG 18 this is pi*(1.02mm/2)^2 or 0.008 cm^2) and you get 0.0093 cm/s. Summary - the net velocity of electrons in copper wire is extremely small. Recall the electrons are not (rpt not) the signal. They are the charge carrier. The signal is an electromagnetic wave the velocity of which is near lightspeed. The electromagnetic wave moves near lightspeed because the wave is comprised of photons, not electrons. - Your friend and humble scribe |
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@dwstudeman If you have been working in electronics as long as you claim then you will have surely come across many instances and events that science and tech just could not explain. Or are you going to tell me that nothing inexplicable has ever happened in your field of work ? Call it mysticism if it suits your desire but I know some of the stuff I have seen and I know some of said things we never ever could find a rational explanation for. I know what I hear and this evening I have been wallowing in pure magic. Ah well it has been a wonderful 2 week's of vacation but back out to California early Sunday morning to play with big boys toys, few million dollars worth of electronics. Wonder if we need any fuses? |
@uberwaltz Nothing that could not be explained or discovered. Delivering a safe aircraft to the flying public demands that no weird anomalies exist. If it is acting strangely there is always a reason and it must be discovered and corrected. Also note that fuses do not have a direction as AC flows equally in both directions. |
Now I need go sacrifice a goat or two...... You and Geoff can do a double take on that one, using his avatar. http://sshc.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bm10.jpg http://sshc.in/voodoo-dolls-black-magic-voodoo-love-spells-evil-spirits/ Cheers George |
I went to the Synergistics website and was greeted with nonsensical marketing terms of things that do not exist and a claim about what physicists know with absolutely no citation much less a credible one. Even if it did somehow alter anything, it would only be absorbed by the ripple softening capacitors in the power supply. The rails take Rectified and filtered DC only with electrons flowing in one direction at the same speed on each rail which is a constant given. I somehow envision that someone will market exotic diodes for power supplies in the future that some will claim transforms and lift veils and never knew how good their equipment could sound even though diodes only consist of two semiconductors, one doped with P type doping and one with N type doping and are either forward or reverse biased depending on the polarity of the input but plenty of people would buy into the marketing. Apparently only Synergistics has found a way to use Quantum Mechanics in a fuse that nobody else has. Perhaps they should use this knowledge for advanced space travel by bending the destination toward them and getting the hell away from us. This no different than all the useless pills and books advertised on TV promising to transform you to the vitality of a 17 year old with a libido the size of Texas. If we spent half as much on healthcare as we do on useless nonsense, there would be no healthcare crisis, not related to audio but the exact same concept. This reminds me of twenty years ago where this company was selling fake rocks to place on your equipment to absorb whatever the pet emi devil that was marketed at the time. I knew someone who dissected one only to find a piece of dupont corian inside. He threatened to go to CES and throw it from a high balcony so it breaks on the pavement and others could see what was really inside. They were rather nervous and begged him not to do it. |
dwstudeman is calling audiophiles dopes if we believe fuses and directionality make an audible difference. Fine, calls us names but it won't change the FACT that 10,000s of audiophiles believe differently as well as some manufacturers. My skeptical manufacturing friend heard it and chose to change from fuses to circuit breakers to increase the surface area of the protection circuit, just like putting a large gauge wire or metal block in the place of a tiny fuse wire. That's the only reason he came up with for the vast difference between fuses-that they are NOT made the same or operate the same way and are different. Otherwise, he's satisfied that there exists a difference even without explaining the why of it. |
^^^ Steve ... if you haven't put SR Blue fuses in your Grover CD player, take it from me ... its a must. As good as the player is, it will surprise you. Try to come up for a listen real soon. The Siggie III's are really singing now. I can hardly tear myself away from my magical musical machine these days. Frank |
