cleeds - Perhaps. But the "assumption" is made by those who aren’t interested in listening to ascertain whether a fuse can make an audible difference or not. It seems to me that those who claim an audible difference make no such assumption - they actually listened. Nonsense. According to synergistic, the "listening" you are speaking of comes by listening to the fuse itself, not the speakers, music, etc. Oh, and don’t forget to reverse the fuse too. Happy listening. http://www.synergisticresearch.com/fuses/blue/+1 @wolf_garcia |
Not to worry, I am sure SR will soon release a Purple or Yellow fuse then a new thread can be started and then a case of rinse and repeat. That would be "Purple-Haze". |
.....and not one of you took it up. What a bunch of wusses. No confidence in what you preach. I’ve experienced this myself in other "related" threads, albeit different forum members. |
cleeds ..... You insist on privacy because this is a scam.... There’s nothing "inappropriate" about discussing listening tests on Audiogon. No scam, I can assure you. In the scientific double blinded cable test thread, since closed to everyone, I posted - on 03-16-2018 6:56pm an EXAMPLE ONLY (pardon the keyboard problem) procedure, which for no good reason was rebutted and subsequently deleted. I then went on to request (after your rebuttal) that you and others submit *any* alternative procedure. Not surprisingly, that too was/is to much to ask, and you/others never did. So in effect, what you are stating about the appropriateness or inappropriateness of discussing listening tests is also not true. |
mapman - It’s that simple really. +1 |
nonoise - So thousands of people who do hear a difference are imagining it and about a dozen who haven’t tried it know better. That makes a lot of sense. What doesn’t make sense is why proponents such as yourself don’t take me up on the opportunity before you. You know, the Amy > Bob > Amy > Bob repeat a few more times and see if you can guess right test. +1 @mitch2 |
uberwaltz - .....Does he truly believe the rest of the audio community who does and can hear that difference( numbering in tens of thousands) are ALL delusional? ..... While I cannot speak or write to what wolf_garcia believes, I believe it is a distinct possibility that "yes", there is delusion at play. Just my opinion, of course. And, by your capitalization of the word ALL, it would seem you too agree that at least SOME are delusional. |
teo_audio....I'm here as the idea that a fuse's distortions and effects are inaudible in an audio amplifier is extremely laughable. Absurd. And, delusional. |
geoffkait - Besides, most fancy fuses are noticeably better than stock fuses right out of the box, even when they’re in the wrong direction. Maybe its your ordinary speaker wire in the wrong direction, fooling you into believing it's the fuse. |
geoffkait - Maybe it’s because I’m...(gulp) ......de-lu-soin-al I agree. You are. |
uberwaltz - ....At first I really could not detect much change, so I decided well maybe direction is a possibility after all so I reversed the direction of said fuse. This wrought a major sq change and for reasons I admit I do not understand it made me a believer of fuses and direction of said fuses!...
Hi @uberwaltz. I'm curious if the major sound quality change you heard was detected blindly or with your knowing whether or not the fuse direction was changed. In this context, blindly means you do not have sight or any kind of knowledge as to the fuses(s) orientation, you must have at least one other person who performs the fuse reversal (or not), then asks you to state if the fuse orientation was changed, then scores your response, then repeats same for at least a dozen times in order that your claim is consistent and reliable, and your total score is better than 90 percent correct. Thanks. |
thecarpathian - If these fuses are directional, why doesn’t Synergistic Research label them to indicate the direction they are to be installed? That would expose the fallacy. |
geoffkait - Make sense? 😳
No. Delusional. Remember? |
uberwaltz - Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Please wake me when anything sensible is posted..... @uberwaltz By all means, please do let me know of anything non-sensible you find with my question to you 04-06-2018 11:44am herein this thread. My suspicion is the answer to my question in that post is "no". Happy listening. |
geoffkait - Gdhal, would it be safe to say you’re experiencing another one of your Deadhead acid flashbacks? Or are you always like this? 😬 Question. Have you given any consideration to going back and finishing up your GED? 😀 Possible. Admittedly, I suspect my mind isn't always as "normal" as it would have been had I not "experimented". |
geoffkait - You guys got no evidence. You got nothing.
I got wallet and opportunity. +1 @jetter / @georgehifi / @mitch2 |
geoffkait - One assumes the naysayers would be what, the Jive Five? The High Five? The Beehive Five? The Naive Five? 😀 The James Madison five. |
geoffkait - >>>>>>Maybe the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight? Actually, I’m thinking more along the lines of this James Madison... (X5). http://mistupid.com/currency/ |
geoffkait - I’m afraid you’re missing the point, uberwaltz. This is the fun part. Hel-loo! Except that the funniest and often most truthful of posts have a tendency of mysteriously disappearing. |
nonoise - How about, ...... How about Shine your shoes, light your fuse Can you use them old U.S. Blues Lyrics: Robert Hunter Music: Jerry Garcia All the best, gdhal |
nonoise - It takes a high opinion of oneself to consider anyone reading these threads to be naive, setting yourself up as some kind of savior.
Period.
Going back over the fuse threads there are lots of people who’ve tried them, like them, but wisely stay off threads like this. Why get into a pissing contest when you know how to spell your name in the snow?
No need to whip it out again. @nonoise Regarding the naivety, I disagree with your premise that I’m setting myself up as a savior. Hopeful to be, yes. Expecting to be, no. My job is to shed light, and not to master. In my view, this is not about wisdom, pissing contents, or genitalia. Instead, it is about the amusement and entertainment I glean at your and other like minded folks expense. |
geoffkait - Re electron velocity in copper wire:.....
Re your ability to discern any audible difference with the naked ear.... |
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+1
dwstudeman and georgehifi
p.s. I can only "plus one" as any of my posts are deleted. Presumably this one will be too. And that is probably because geoffkait and cleeds are in cahoots with the moderators.
Even Geoff admitted not long ago that better than 80 percent of his posts are fiction. |
geofkkait >>>If that’s true I’m sure you can provide the post where I said it. If you can’t then one assumes you’re lying, probably out of desperation. 😫
Actually, I'll elect not to provide the specific link. My rationale is that you will merely delete it, the same way you delete some other posts of yours and then claim you have no delete functionality. Do you recall my bringing that to your attention? In any case, better than 80 percent of your posts are fictitious. HINT: another forum member felt I was being to generous, and upped the percentage. |
^As I've stated, 80 percent. And as I've also stated, you have a habit of deleting your own posts from time-to-time. Believe (or not) whatever you - Geoff - like. I'm confident that forum members who have been around here on Agon a while are already familiar with you (your posts) and can easily vouch for the fact that 80 percent (or more) of your posts are fictitious. |
cleeds - ....I’m surprised that you haven’t figured that out by now. I’ve figured out to keep posts short. I’ve also figured out proponents of the impossible are essentially broke. |
geoffkait - Which is why any test, blind or whatever, is of no value taken by itself. The value is James Madison X5. |
fleschler - gdhal - I’m a proponent and I am borderline wealthy-like Don Rickles was when he died Meaning you are able to hear a difference when ordinary speaker wire is reversed?(i.e. maintain polarity, simply take ends on speaker and attach to amp, ordinary means walk in to home depot and ask for wire to fix your table lamp). So fleschler, can you hear a difference with the naked ear (headphones okay) when that type of speaker cable is reversed? |
Geoff, stay out of this please. Thank you.
@fleschler
Waiting for yes/no. |
Geoff, welcome back. I appreciate your staying away from the thread for the short interval I asked you to. And for that, I'll extend a "thank you".
Carry on with your nonsense. |
@chrshanl37
Thank you. I imagine you've read my previous thank you, deleted unnecessarily. You are absolutely correct that the test itself doesn't matter. If you can hear it, you can hear it.
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^Remember gk, by your own admission, 80 percent or more of your posts are fictitious. |
Hi @uberwaltz
While you are waiting for George to answer your question, perhaps you need to be reminded you have yet to answer mine, posed to you in this thread initially 04-06-2018 11:44am and then subsequently 04-06-2018 5:55pm.
Additionally, while I certainly understand you are under no obligation, you mentioned in your 04-08-2018 7:29am post that "And with that I bid thee all farewell. Time to abandon ship before it sinks without a trace." Looks like you've had a change of heart.
You and others should take note that at least IMO, @georgehifi is rather knowledgeable and should be commended for imparting his knowledge. Even in cases where I or someone else might disagree with George, at least he can always demonstrate a rationale explanation. This is in contrast to so many others on this site who simply state the impossible, and then do nothing more than act childish once presented with a thought out rebuttal.
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Thank you @uberwaltz
I appreciate your candid reply.
I disagree about the double blind testing not working, but at least you're a gentlemen and clearly state that is your opinion, which of course you are entitled to.
Again, thanks. |
+ 1 @uberwaltz
You should know though that according to his humble scribe, it’s a time honored tradition here for him to have the last word. That could explain it.
🤓
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...the measurement and comparison process should be repeated multiple times... And so too should hearing tests be blind and repeated multiple times in order to determine reliability of listener claims. |
…and in the case of Blue Fuses there remains no explanation as to how or why they might improve sound. There also remains no explanation as to how or why reversing them improves the sound even further. |
@geoffkait
Legitimate question for you. Just seeking your *opinion* now, and that cannot be right or wrong.
Lets assume you are entirely correct on the technical aspects/merits of fuses. Lets further assume you are able to hear a difference, and have elected to use said fuse(s).
How does this change your "enjoyment" of listening to music?
Thanks.
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@nonoise
I'd be appreciative if you could/would answer the following questions.
How does fuse and/or wire directionality change/effect your "enjoyment" of listening to music?
Please speculate, in what way(s) should someone who doesn't believe in wire/fuse directionality, such as myself, expect to benefit if fuses and/or wire is oriented correctly?
Thank you.
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@nonoise
Thank you. One other question if I may. The "not subtle" difference you are reporting, is this something you can or did hear in a blind test, or sighted? |
nonoise - No, it wasn't done in a blind test. It was sighted. But as you already know, I don't subscribe to blind test parlor tricks, and I need to see what I'm doing when changing fuses.
Be forewarned, any amount of protests of "the need to be blind tested" will fall on (literally) deaf ears.
Understood. I consider myself forewarned. I also consider myself correct in that it would be impossible to hear a difference in a blind test. Nevertheless, I consider the matter essentially closed (between you and I) and remain appreciative that you answered my questions. Thank you. |
oregonpapa - ...the naysayers are trying to convince the believers... First, great job on correcting geoffkait. I didn’t want to go there, on account of my posts in this thread are deleted for really no good/legitimate reason. To your point though, I would humbly submit that the naysayers are trying to convey that there is no objective proof what-so-ever that a fuse makes any kind of difference. Any "convincing" is at best in the realm of subjectivity. oregonpapa - They tell us exactly what we can hear and what we can’t hear. And, as we’ve seen by the admission of proponents of said fuses, the "exactness" of what can and cannot be heard cannot reliably be demonstrated in *any* kind of blind testing. |
georgehifi - You forgot Wolf, it also has a fuse that comes with it for $150 and works as good as as these "snake oil" ones for $150. This is hysterical. 😆 |
uberwaltz - Pretty quiet in here tonight, no silly posts but I guess it is early yet...lol
Hi uberwaltz. I'd just like to offer/extend the proverbial carrot to you for a moment. You're kewl in that at least you (unlike some others) respond as a gentlemen. Lets consider directionality for the moment. When I search this term (or related stemmed terms like direction) on web sites that sell fuses, the results that I'm presented with are google maps, driving directions, and
mileage calculations. Am I doing something wrong, with regard to searching for fuse manufacturer directionality information? Thanks. |
uberwaltz - Not sure if that helps or was the answer you were looking for.
Yes, it helps. Very much so. But I wasn't looking:) Your response is interesting to say the least, and a rather candid testimonial. SR should take note and consider your (and other) testimonials. As you mention that you're hearing differences but have no explanation, have you considered "verifying" the differences you're hearing? We've back-and-forth'ed the blind test, and you stated you haven't tried. Curious why you wouldn't. I would. In any case, you truly have given me something to ponder. I haven't "changed my mind", and remain in the camp that believes "a fuse is a fuse", nevertheless, I respect your opinion and reiterate what I stated initially... you're kewl and respond as a gentlemen. |
nonoise, geoffkait - regarding the relentlessness of my questions as you put it, why not ask uberwaltz if he feels the same way about it as you do?
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nonoise - ....You asked me in such a manner as to become tiresome so I put a stop to it and now you move on to another, with the same approach, manner and questions. I find it so curious.
Hi nonoise. The questions I asked you on 4/13 are entirely different than the question I asked uberwaltz on 4/14. You may recall I asked you the following three questions: How does fuse and/or wire directionality change/effect your "enjoyment" of listening to music? Please speculate, in what way(s) should someone who doesn't believe in wire/fuse directionality, such as myself, expect to benefit if fuses and/or wire is oriented correctly? The "not subtle" difference you are reporting, is this something you can or did hear in a blind test, or sighted? You were kind enough to answer all three, I thanked you for doing so and mentioned (paraphrasing) that it concluded my inquiry, however, that the conclusion was specific to you and I. The question I asked uberwaltz was specific to my search for directionality of fuses websites and being presented with driving information. Apples and oranges if you ask me. |
I am proud to report that my suggestion in the Please Read and express your feelings and opinions thread ****is going to be CONSIDERED by Audiogon development staff****.
To reiterate the suggestion:
The OP of any particular thread should also be afforded the function of removing any particular post and/or blocking a poster altogether from his/her thread.
Posting here to provide advanced warning should any member be prone to withdrawal symptoms. |
@tel555
Out here in the fields
I fight for my meals
I get my back into my living
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Just curious, what is your music preference, assuming you listen at all. |
