One of the things I really wish is that A'gon had a tally count mechanism. For example, I think, but have no idea, that "fusers" are a small minority giving that 1/2" of wire supernatural powers, and that the majority of A'gon readers agree with Wolf. I would also like to see a count about how many believe that wire directionality can be heard. And how many really think that the naysayers/flatlanders don't hear a difference in the above two subjects only because their systems are not resolving enough and they have hearing loss. |
I would propose that a majority of the non vocal members of A'gon agree with shadorne. |
Wolf, you obviously made geoff all upset and uppity when you asked if anyone has made a graphene hat yet. The thought of him having to replace his aluminum brim obviously resulted in this latest, how to say it, attack on you. |
I have brought this up several times in the past. I wish there was a way to do a quick tally, vote count, to see how the general readership feels about a topic.
In the end this is just my opinion, but I think the tally would support George's viewpoint over that of the usual gang of vocal tweakers. |
Unlike Geoff's "everyone but the dumbest knows it to be true" argument, which at other times is the opposite, "the flock is following the wrong shepherd", depending on the direction of the wind, I am not interested in putting in much effort discussing fuses. I am just saying in this day of computer apps I would love to see an A'gon have a count mechanism to provide a tally of what the many of us mostly silent, mostly not emotionally involved audiophiles believe. Not to prove something one way or the other, but just for informational purposes.
Maybe three choices; 1. I have tried aftermarket fuses and they improved the sound; 2. I tried them and they did not 3. I haven't tried aftermarket fuses because I have no desire to.
Come on, this is the computer age and we do not have this functionality.
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I agree with Mr. Wolf. Tattling is a newish phenomenon here on the A'gon. Don't take it so personal. Listing education and job accomplishments is rather kitsch. Except when Geoff does it. |
thecarpathian, your post is very funny. Geoff’s response is on the dizzying side, never the less, with the proper rehab I do hope his little finger is going to be ok. |
Actually, there is an order to all things in this universe. The order of granny, uberwaltz, cleeds, david_whatever, nonoise seems to be of rather uninspiring posters, regardless the message. George, as stubborn as he is, wolf, and throw in map, and al, and sorry to say the karma comes through, in case you don't get it, its "rock on brother".
Geoff, waiting for your critique. |
teo, "wolf, It is suggested that you don’t really know the mechanics or the electrical aspects of how a fuse works." I would guess that he has figured out that it melts? "Those who do know how it works and what it does, owe you nothing." Does that mean that those of us who don’t know how it works owe him something? I'm not paying.
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teo audio, uberwaltz, nonoise, there is no need to eat crow. When someone says nasties about someone we are all familiar with we just ignore them anyway, regardless of the issue. |
I don't see that the video disputes mitch2's point. If it's the wire that gives the fuse directionality, why can't the wire be inserted into the fuse with one of the end caps marked? I assume the machine will be inserting each piece of wire into the fuse in the same directionality as the previous one. Perhaps its the cost of having to buy cap ends that some are marked and some are not? |
^^^mitch2 It is also a mystery to me that why, if the fuses are directional, SR doesn't indicate the proper direction on them. As far as I can tell there are only two possible reasons. One is that they don't think the fuses are directional. Or two, if they do think the fuses are directional, they are amused at the thought of purchasers of multiple fuses turning them in a hundred direction combinations, especially if in the same piece of equipment, to get the final "right" combination. |
geoffkait - "Gdhal, would it be safe to say you’re experiencing another one of your Deadhead acid flashbacks?" gdhal "Possible. Admittedly, I suspect my mind isn't always as "normal" as it would have been had I not "experimented". gdhal, you're in good company here." Geoff, "...Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood. " Just a wild guess, but I'm pretty sure none of them would have used their intellectual curiosity to argue if wire, or fuses are directional. Turning the tables a bit, they probably would think anyone who does as much as you might have a "bit" of problem that a hit or two of acid might just help. You know, to turn you in the right direction.. |
georgehifi "BTW Jetter, had a quick look at your fuse "snake oil" posts, and it seems you are neither yay or nay, are you a fence sitter on the subject, is this right or did I miss something?"
I am a fence sitter only because of the number of people whose opinions I respect claiming to hear a difference with their new fuses. On the other hand, I think that the wild claims that a fuse is like a new component are over the top. Intellectually I don't think that the little 1/2" fuse wire can make an audible difference in the 100s of feet of wire a component has and my choice is to spend my money on new (or NOS) tubes.
Also, while I understand that wire is "drawn" through dies to achieve different sizing, I don't think any directionality this imparts would result in an audible difference, especially in a fuse. And then there's the alternating current argument.
Last, my system is pretty laid back, I live in what most on here probably would consider the country. I can picture a number of posters buying every new piece of equipment and upgrade of gear with the goal of ultimate resolution, and spending hours training their ears and brains to differentiate tiny differences in sound. So I consider it possible that they may hear differences most others may not, it not being a priority.
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We did run out of valid things to say a while ago. Disagreement is the common denominator that keeps many long running threads alive. |
Hey Socrates gait, don't forget his top two, "True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing. I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing."
Your humble primitive scribe. |
Ok, this is way off base. But in 67/8 I paid my 3.50 to attend a grateful dead concert at the Arc, a new venue near Fenway. Bear in mind that in those days most venues, like the Boston Tea Party were empty building with psychedelic posters on the wall. But very cool. So I paid my 3.50 and because I was late, they make me stand on the stage with the dead, next to the organist, one foot from the drummers, and five feet from Gerry who kept staring at me. You'd think that was great, but I was pissed off because I was stuck there while my friends were in the back cutting loose with the primo ladies we knew back then. Very primo ladies. |
geoff, "No man is an island. He’s a peninsula." A pretend major slip up by mister Kait. After Bathing at Baxters, circa 1967. Except none of us are naïve enough to think you didn't want to let it slip. Too shy to come clean with your fellow degenerates?
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I enjoy Prof's well thought out reasoning, regardless of any stance on fuses. |
I must say gdhal, yours and George's links are first rate. Kind of makes geoff's oft used little sheep following the oft used wrong-way little men appear pictorially wanting.
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As an old timer, I would like to say I missed his psycho babble and was glad to see him back, and it was true for exactly the first half of his first sentence of his first post since his return, which was pretty much the same as every other post he has ever made. P.S. I am not sorry for this run on sentence. |
"There’s no connection between lettering direction and fuse direction. It’s random. One or two fuse companies control directionality during manufacturer but most don’t as it’s a lot of trouble so you have to try them both ways."
I hope to soon patent a fuse with two filaments. The filaments will each be in a different direction, therefore audiophiles using the fuses will not need to spent time flipping the fuses around. They will, of course, then need to figure out what to do with the time saved.
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Take it easy Roberttcan’t, let those who do not follow blindly have their say.
In the end, aren’t these fuses another tone control? If the sound is not the same as before changing the fuse, has not the tone changed? I know others would rather say "there is more of everything", implying something was missing to start with. Aren't most SR tweaks a form of tone control, in fact most tweaks?. They are fixing a sonic problem?
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I hope Frank answers littlecx’s question, "So SR just buying the cheap fuses outside and process them or they manufacture their own fuses?"
If they are manufacturing them in house, is it a machine process not requiring human intervention?
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Geoff, really man, time to get some new material. You have lost it since Roberttcan came around and handed you your head, like you have tried to do with everyone else. Face it, time to change your spiel, 20 years of the same schtick on wire directionality, cryogenics and selling springs doesn't impress any of us. |
Georgehifi, the "Professor Oregonpapa" sign on the wagon is pretty funny, no matter how you feel about fuses.
Good one thecarpathian, always fun to hear one on Geoffkaitcan’t.
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Is there a particular reason you capitalize every letter in VERY. Are you projecting yourself onto Michael? Are you in some way trying to imply that his tuning with wood is less significant than your emphasis on wire directionality? Come to the forefront with your answer grasshopper. |
