^^^ My thoughts exactly. Lack of post numbers really has nothing to do with credibility.
Frank
Frank
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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@georgehifi +1 An analysis of the SR and TC contact threads points to half a dozen folks making 90% of the posts they ever made. Blatent marketing. Hopefully these people are ONLY here to help their friends make money off the gullible (hardly harmless but not criminal). At worst they are well aware of the scam. At best they have been duped themselves. |
George I am sure there are others like myself(Geoff springs to mind) who post on a huge variety of threads of which fuses make up just a tiny percentile of my posting history. However that does not stop me from being very pro fuse simply because I have HEARD the difference in my system with my own ears. You cannot make the same claim because you REFUSE to try....... Reminds me of one of MY EE colleagues, his favourite saying is " how can this be?" And yes we all sigh heavily every time he speaks..... |
Thanks Al…I do sometimes wonder if I toil in a vacuum…or Georgehifi and I (and thankfully a few others) are floating around in one. Remember, nature abhors a vacuum. Regarding Tel555s comments, I have never said that fuses don't work…they do! (I have not tested the Blue Fuses as really, I don't wanna!) They melt if properly designed and rated. But the assumption that they can have any effect on the tone of an electrical circuit seems silly to most people who know about such things. I, of course, see the hyperbolic claims of sonic magic for many tweaks I find ridiculous (most if not all of the aforementioned SR products), and my point regarding the sorting of these in the marketplace over time is simply fact. If expensive (and, importantly, remaining absolutely mysterious and unexplained by anybody) "special" fuses have even 10% of the claimed sonic benefit (OK…maybe 15% would do it), every audio geek, including myself, would put them in every bit of gear they could as the benefits would be as unquestionable as many here want them to be. I also understand the compulsion of many audiophiles to try left-field tweaks just because they can, and that's where marketing comes in. The Business plan: Design something with obscure or silly details using the word "quantum" someplace, misusing terms like "transducer," make sure the appreciation of it is absolutely subjective and personal, and many people will pay through the proverbial nose and happily stand up for it as they NEED the stuff, and hey, they KNOW it works because their egos and insecurities are providing the necessary support of that opinion…others don't need 'em, and time and the marketplace will establish why that is. |
Wolf Just because Al came to your defense, maybe rightfully so, does NOT mean your opinion is the only correct one and that you are right....lol. I still find statements along the lines of that I cannot possibly be hearing what I am hearing just as deep an insult as any you may have felt slighted with. I could regale you with MANY electrical tales from my vast work experience that just about any EE would refute and state were impossible. Apart from the fact I have witnessed them, on paper, I might have agreed. So I keep a very open mind on a lot of matters that science says is not possible and if I feel the desire will perform my own testing. Which I did And quite satisfied with my results YMMV of course.... |
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But the assumption that they can have any effect on the tone of an electrical circuit seems silly to most people who know about such things.Pot meet kettle. Your premise is faulty and you speak from a supposed higher ground. I do believe you've tried them and didn't hear enough of a difference to justify the costs but it has been pointed out, repeatedly, that one need not spend over $100 to get demonstrable improvements (more like $30) and yet you continue to put forth that silly argument as if it's the only recourse one can take with better fuses. When I was on the lookout for a new set of speakers I read your take on the Klipsch Heresey III as they were what I was leaning towards. What got my attention was your admonition to others to not tell you to replace the brass jumpers as something so small couldn't make a difference. Really? If that was in jest, then it was kind of a weird thing to say. If you were serious, then your hearing acuity is not what it used to be. Not being able to tell if brass jumpers are able to mess with the sound tells me why you can't hear a significant difference with better fuses. Or, you do hear a difference but simply don't think it's worth it, and that is an entirely different matter. All the best, Nonoise |
wolf_garcia ... the assumption that they can have any effect on the tone of an electrical circuit seems silly to most people who know about such things.Perhaps. But the "assumption" is made by those who aren't interested in listening to ascertain whether a fuse can make an audible difference or not. It seems to me that those who claim an audible difference make no such assumption - they actually listened. |
Uh, when the Unibomber wrote his Manifesto I’m pretty sure he did not (rpt) intend it as a jumping off place for any kind of reasonable discussion. It was his personal declaration of war. When Hitler marched into Poland 🦆 🦆 🦆 🦆 he wasn’t saying, OK, dudes, let’s talk. He was just a tad beyond negotiating way before that. 🤡 |
This (below) will be posted up for an alternative direction for the non technical undecided members that are wondering if they should spend $100s on a fuses that should be no more than $2, every time ridiculous sonic and directional BS claims are made about these $100 boutique fuses. To the members who are torn one way or the other. These are old fuses (first two links) that have seen their day, with too many switch-on surges, all you have to do is replace them with quality $2 fuses from the third/fourth links, forget spending $100’s on fuses. A slow-blo fuse "ageing" right to left https://peakpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuse-8312-640x426.jpg A fast-blo fuse "ageing" left to right https://i.stack.imgur.com/0uqWX.jpg%20 These are just a couple that are used by the industry and are quality fuses. "LittleFuses" for $2 which were the chosen fuse for the NASA’s Gemini space program or you can pay a little more for the German "Schurter". Just pick your Current Rating, Fuse Size/Group , and if it’s fast medium or slow blow. and press "apply filters" https://www.mouser.com/Littelfuse/Circuit-Protection/Fuses/_/N-ba85y?P=1yocc4mZ1z0zlhtZ1yxmd9b&K... https://www.mouser.com/Schurter/Circuit-Protection/Fuses/_/N-ba85y?P=1z0zpeiZ1yocc4m&Keyword=gla... And pocket the $100’s you saved on boutique fuses and spend it on the music or better equipment that we all love. Cheers George |
What happens when a boutique fuse sounds better than a new Littel Fuse? This has happened in my rig. Just a lowly SR Red Fuse made a new Littel Fuse sound, well broken. George have you even tried one in your system? You have a nice rig and I just wonder if you have tried first hand. Perhaps you have and I missed your comparison. |
Now that takes a lot of chutzpah to recommend fuses from the ’60s that were good enough for NASA. I guess we can trash all of our modern gear as well and literally live in the past, forever fearful of progress or anything that would upset our primitive ways of thinking. This is an extreme version of conservatism. And lets not have anyone conflate that comment with politics, for it’s not. Oh, and you need a new set of flashcards, George. All the best, Nonoise |
cleeds - Perhaps. But the "assumption" is made by those who aren’t interested in listening to ascertain whether a fuse can make an audible difference or not. It seems to me that those who claim an audible difference make no such assumption - they actually listened. Nonsense. According to synergistic, the "listening" you are speaking of comes by listening to the fuse itself, not the speakers, music, etc. Oh, and don’t forget to reverse the fuse too. Happy listening. http://www.synergisticresearch.com/fuses/blue/ +1 @wolf_garcia |
I generally like @wolf_garcia posts. He is a funny guy to boot. However, the only people who “know about such things” are those who have tried it. If it sounds better in your system, then wonderful. You know first hand for yourself. If you tried and no difference, then they are not a good or smart purchase for your rig. Pretty simple stuff. If you have not tried in your own system, then you really have no idea. |
I’m not anti tweak…I’ve put "chicken head" knobs on a guitar amp, I like good cables and tubes…I have rubber feet under things! I’ve tweaked! To put it simply, I do think fuse "sound" is imagined, unless the fuse is maybe barely hanging on due to rust or an extreme dust condition. Then it’s simply not working. If somebody wants to loan me a Blue Fuse, I'll put it in my power amp and report back. It could be life changing. |
Ok, it is imagined. Impossible to argue against that if one’s mind is set on that perspective. Rather judgmental of scores of people with different experiences than yours. Perhaps it would be reasonable to consider the best of other fellow aphiles. Rather healthy way to approach life and relationships. Perhaps just consider other aphiles as reasoned, intelligent, and capable as yourself? There must be some in the rather large group of say “thousands” of upgraded fuse owners world wide? |
Exactly Grannyring. As Charles stated a short while ago, if the minds are so closed and set it will make zero difference . IF we outfitted every component they own with SR Blue fuses,they simply will not hear a difference. Time to unsubscribe from this thread, my forehead hurts from repeated smacking against the wall. Not to worry, I am sure SR will soon release a Purple or Yellow fuse then a new thread can be started and then a case of rinse and repeat. |
OK, boys and girls. What time is it? It’s time for a pop quiz. Yah! This time it’s multiple choice. That way everyone has a chance to get the right answer. OK, how many aftermarket fuses have been sold since they first came out around 15 years ago or whatever? a. 100 b. 500 c. 1000 d. 3,000 e. 20,000 f. More than 75,000 |
Agreed Wolf. Also nothing wrong with not hearing or appreciating sonic improvements and nuances in Audiophile systems. Plenty of my friends cannot and stick with Sears speakers and electronics. Many folks think paprika is paprika is paprika. I and thousands of others can taste the difference a quality paprika makes. |
wolf_garcia You awesome foursome fusers have just been presented with a golden opportunity by wolf, and not one of you took it up. What a bunch of wusses. No confidence in what you preach. Cheers George |
Actually, there is an order to all things in this universe. The order of granny, uberwaltz, cleeds, david_whatever, nonoise seems to be of rather uninspiring posters, regardless the message. George, as stubborn as he is, wolf, and throw in map, and al, and sorry to say the karma comes through, in case you don't get it, its "rock on brother". Geoff, waiting for your critique. |
@grannyring To answer an earlier question of yours. No , George has not tried any "boutique" fuses and quite pointedly refuses to do so. This he has admitted much earlier in either this thread or Frank's previous SR fuse thread, I don't remember exactly which. One of the reasons I have little time for his nonsense I am afraid. Not much help for a completely closed mind. |
You awesome foursome fusers have just been presented with a golden opportunity by wolf, and not one of you took it up. Why don't one of you "Awesome Foursome" fusers take up Wolf's challenge. What cred have you got to loose, that you've already lost? By some miracle you might get it back, and some, the odds are with you. Cheers George |
This is a weird thread. Some are telling others they cannot possibly be able to do something, and they don't even know them. Whaat?? So in the spirit of that I would like to ask Wolfe a couple of things. I am not going to tell him any thing, just ask his opinion. Wolfe are you a sound engineer? Put up sound sets at concerts for musicians? When you set one up and then proceed to make adjustments would you think that everyone will hear the adjustments as you do? Or would some hear them as you do, and some not hear the adjustments at all, and some hear them even more sharply than you? Does that sound reasonable to you? |
@geoffkait The answer to your very good question is over 75,000. That is over 75,000 folks including many PHDs, doctors, lawyers, musicians, pastors, moms, dads, engineers and well you get the point. Just fellow humans that have families and lives and are really no different than George or any of us. There is no such group as fusers. Way to diverse a population to apply that narrow thought to. There are many modifiers and builders also using upgraded fuses. The same ones that understand capacitors also make a difference beyond just adhering to spec. |
