dbargerDoes anyone know if there is a risk with putting my Black 5 amp fuse in my ph8, replacing the stock 2 amp fuse?A fuse should never be replaced with one having a higher value than that recommended by the manufacturer.
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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wolf_garcia ... the assumption that they can have any effect on the tone of an electrical circuit seems silly to most people who know about such things.Perhaps. But the "assumption" is made by those who aren't interested in listening to ascertain whether a fuse can make an audible difference or not. It seems to me that those who claim an audible difference make no such assumption - they actually listened. |
I think almarg’s summary is absolutely superb. It’s likely that many will try to pick it apart from the edges and that they’ll find elements of it to challenge. I differ with some of its nuances, too. But this is the sanest and single most succinct summation of the fuse controversy I’ve seen yet. Kudos and thanks to Al! I’m pretty happy with my system and don’t expect to be experimenting with fuses anytime soon. But I wouldn’t dismiss those who advocate for them. High end audio can be full of surprises. |
gdhal I then went on to request (after your rebuttal) that you and others submit *any* alternative procedure. I have stated here several times: I am willing to discuss, in public, a protocol to test the audible differences between cables - including directionality - in what would be an objective, scientific test that would also be held in public, such as at an audio store or audiophile club. This would allow others to participate at whatever level they choose. If this interests you, please start a separate thread for that purpose and I'll respond. My only precondition is that this be done in public. That would help ensure a properly designed test and that this is not a scam. |
grannyring I am confounded as to why folks don’t understand the importance of a fuse in terms of sound quality ... Come on folks try for yourself.They don't understand because they don't really want to understand or explore. That's become pretty obvious. And then there's the one poster who keeps dangling his apparent $25K hustle as an "opportunity." |
gdhal ... it was I who suggested that the communication be taken offline and made private ...You insist on privacy because this is a scam. That’s why the moderators are deleting you. If you keep the discussion here in public, on the forum, we could discuss your proposed listening test. But that would expose your hustle, wouldn’t it? There's nothing "inappropriate" about discussing listening tests on Audiogon. |
gdhal And that is probably because geoffkait and cleeds are in cahoots with the moderators.I'm not in "cahoots" with anyone. If you have a complaint with this group's moderation, please take your complaint to the moderators. The responsibility for your deleted posts rests with you. When you promote your $25,000 "listening test" wager that you want to conduct in secret, and suggest others here get a lawyer to "protect' themselves from you, you're subject to deletion. I'm surprised that you haven't figured that out by now. |
chrshanl37 Anyway that doesn’t really apply to gdhal’s proposition ... If those who claim to hear massive improvements from fuses are telling the truth then it should be an easy money grab no?The test is a trick, a fraud, a scam. It's a hustle, a con. |
chrshanl37 ... if I made a change in my system that made an audible difference to me and gdhal challenged me on it, I would gladly accept it and take his money.No, you wouldn’t accept his money, because it’s like three-card monte. It’s rigged, a con game. A fraud. That’s why the moderators keep deleting his posts. |
georgehifi. You are full of it, and every time I see this sort of BS posted about fuses I will react to it Really? Every single time? Do you mean you won’t let others discuss their experience with fuses here without you calling it BS every single time? Before you answer, please consider that a "yes" answer reveals you as a troll. People should be entitled to discuss their on-topic experiences in this thread without you chiming in every time that you think they are BS. Please answer thoughtfully. |
gdha ... persons who perceive what should be impossible to receive, haven’t been completely honest with themselves in-so-far as **how** they "perceived" it.It's rather odd how the one user here who has repeatedly promoted his $25K rigged "listening test" accuses others here of not being "completely honest." A listener can be "completely honest," and still reject your repeated demands that they conduct some sort of listening test to satisfy you. |
georgehifi I think all of us, would like to hear from Synergistic Research themselves ...Actually, no we wouldn't. Please don't pretend to speak for the entire group, George. Those who have a genuine interest in Synergistic fuses buy one and try it. Those who don't have a genuine interest seem to want to just perpetuate the squabbling. |
geoffkait The threat of a blind test is simply a ruse, a ploy, a rather obvious one, used by naysayers to browbeat people into doubting what they believe or hear or to subject a controversial product to doubt and ridicule. Putting up money on the testvonly adds to the absurdity of the whole thing. The test hasn’t even taken place and the naysayer already knows the result?Yes, he knew what the "test" result would be advance because it was rigged, like three-card monte. That’s why he was willing to wager $25K on it, and why he continues to promote it on this forum. Of course, gdhal will respond by saying he’s not promoting the $25K challenge but only "offering" it. No matter. It’s a ruse. |
geoffkait Please note that I’m NOT saying the test has to be riggedIt’s obvious that’s there is such a thing as a valid listening test, isn’t it? That’s independent of the actual test results, or how the results are interpreted. Anyone with a genuine interest in blind testing of audio would want to ensure in advance that the efforts of conducting such a test would at least be rewarded with a meaningful result. There’s a lot of science about how to conduct a valid test, so there’s no reason to reinvent the wheel, or to call in lawyers in advance of the test to somehow "protect" the participants. |
gdhal It’s a shame the more appropriate and more comprehensive response is - apparently - against forum policy.If you're not clear about the forum's rules, you might want to review them. They are here. In particular, you might want to note this condition, which would seem to apply to you: " In addition, you may not use the Services in any way that violates applicable federal, state, or international law, or for any unlawful purpose." If you don't like the forum rules, you're free to move on. |
geoffkait I’m saying there isn’t such a thing as a valid listening test. I thought I made that clear. The reason is because pitfalls can sometimes be beyond anyone’s controlSorry, we'll have to disagree about that, Geoff. I absolutely think there is such a thing as a scientific, valid listening test. It is not as simple to conduct as some here would have us believe, however. And the results of any one single test are of limited value, especially to an audiophile who's comfortable and reasonably confident in what he hears. Unlike many of the loud voices here, I've actually participated in a few listening tests. These were very much scientific: level-matched, double-blind, with training that preceded the actual test. The results were ... interesting. To be clear, I think such tests have very limited value to most audiophiles and are mostly a waste their time. But if we are going to discuss listening tests, it should be done without hocus-pocus, and without the requirement to wager $25,000 and include the involvement of lawyers to "protect" us. I think scientific blind listening tests have very real value to manufacturers, by the way. But I think it's interesting that the best manufacturers use them only as a guide - not an absolute measure of their work. |
gdhal I embrace the idea of "lets reverse and *RELIABLY* hear a difference"That's just not true. If it were, you'd conduct such a test yourself. Instead, you demand others do it for you, ante up $25,000 first and work with your attorney to "protect" themselves. Those are the facts, and the reason your posts keep getting deleted. Again, I direct your attention to this clause in the forum's rules: " ... you may not use the Services in any way that violates applicable federal, state, or international law, or for any unlawful purpose." |
gdhal There are no "demands"; at least not coming from me.I guess you use an odd definition of the word "demand." Here’s one good definition: "an insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right." ... any testing and associated procedures would be conducted FILL IN THE BLANK.That makes no sense to me at all. But because you’ve agreed to end your demands, we can allow the matter to end here. |
wolf_garcia ... Depending on one’s desperation to improve their system perhaps needlessly, and the ability to imagine what one wants to hear, you can always hope for that self satisfied nirvana provided by the feeling that YOU know what’s what because you’re special, and it’s important to you that others know that.And how are you any different from this person you describe ? |