Expert: An unknown drip under the pressure.
...busyness as unusual... *s*
That's an interesting concept, tho'.... speakers made with musicians, instead of 'by' to 'buy'......
...a bitch to diy, but....
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@erik_squires . I thought the thread was quite witty, unfortunately for me, I understood where you were coming from. |
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Honestly thought we could all infer that the solution would be to have your speakers made out of real musicians. 🤣 Guys, the part that should have been a clue I was making a parody of the cult- leader mindset was a variation on the cult-leader’s "only I can fix it..." theme at the end. Anytime you hear "we alone" or worse, "I alone can solve your issues" hold on to your wallet and your children cause they want to take them all away from you. |
@bigkidz . Fieldcoils, I have zero experience using these drivers. I have a thorough understanding of how they work and am happy to discuss the pros and cons, but the easy low down is that they make sense. Consistent electrical field does wondersin overcoming driver design issues of traditional magnet drivers. Why do think we have alnico, strontium, neodymium and many others, a Consistent current makes a difference. Nola, have never sat in front of them, but I'm happy to discuss, the trials and benefits of open baffle. The design is definitely more driver dependent and there are things that you can do to deal with the backside wave, but there are limitations. If you have specific question, pm me or maybe start a thread and others can chime in. |
@wolf_garcia - I’m deeply offended, what actually relevant discussion do you think I parodied?? 😆 |
@kenjit Noted you don't tolerate imperfection. No, you insist on being a total failure. And if you don't tolerate imperfection, how come you don't punctuate correctly? No-one believes a word you say. I doubt even you do. |
@kenjit whether you are a Human, an Android or a Bot, I have to admire your tenacity as despite the amount of stick you get on here you keep coming back for more. 😂 |
@wolf_garcia ... "...seems like a parody of an actual relevant audio discussion." All this conjecture, the who/why/what about it is all good and well But: I've my answer, audio on the quantum level. Concrete speaker...*hmm* 3d printed formulated concrète musique.... @erik_squires ....*L* +⫪..... 😏 ....lately I've been confronted with diy'ing lots' including yours unruly...
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The anagram for Kinjet is Inkjet. That’s all I need to know. He’s having you on folks. Always has. @erik_squires Your bait taken! |
Ive had more than a few different high end commercial speakers such as B&w, dynaudio to name a few in here to audition. Why dont they ever sound good then? If the speaker designers are so superior why did the speakers sound rubbish? Ive had dynaudio contour 20s here supposedlly one of the finest standmounts on the planet. They were horrific. Explain that then |
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Kenjet what is so superior in your system that others don’t know ? itismany times theQuality + plus system synergy ,Thst being said since I have been rebuilding the biggest weakness even in good speakers theQuality of the Xover which is the ♥️ or 🧠 of thespeaker ,most are average quality at best . having owned a Audio store for a number of years until around 2010 rule on most all audio ,25%is all that goes into the product including packaging ,the rest R&D overhead and markup . That’s why electronics can add up $$ fast to have premium parts , speakers included, cables have the most profit margins for the companies , everyone has different taste ,and your room acoustics, and room treatments can have a profound effect , any weak link in the chain can totally throw off the synergy and balance. Spending 40+ years i have had pretty much out there in Audio types , now I look for high quality value in design ,no more$100 k+ audio systems . For $40-$60k you should be able to have a very respectable sounding system.everything takes time, unless you have $$ deep pockets. |
@kenjit I had your baffle size and we heavily discussed baffle stuff. You didn't listen to what felt properly placed could do or absorb baffle step varies by frequency. Still don't think that you would need much with the measurements you gave me. Do I need to look up more examples of the depth of your knowledge? You requested those, but did not respond. |
@kenjit share with us your superior system you listen to. I assume it is centered around your perfect concrete wall speakers and all of the other components you designed and created by hand? Oh wait. You don’t even own a stereo system. My bad! You simply get off causing irritation and acting condescending towards others. |
The tweeter response will be modified by the cabinet it is placed in. This is loudspeaker design 101. There is no point arguing about this. Tim, you still think that you can design a crossover without knowing what the cabinet looks like. If you go on partsexpress or diyaudio, there will be plenty of experts on there who will quickly point out how wrong you are.
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Thats interesting. But a speaker system has to reproduce the signal doesnt it? The only question remaining is how accurately it does this. Its not a matter of opinion because sound is nothing but movement of the air. You dont need a person to have sound. Either the sound is an accurate replica of the input or it isnt. Most of the time it isnt. |
@erik_squires And you did an excellent job sucking him in! |
@kenjit I thought this would be easy, however, everytime I went back to find a thread, the first 13 that I clicked on were deleted...... and several more thereafter. But Here you go, all of this shows a failed understanding of speaker design: "The reason that perfect speakers do not exist will hereby be revealed. So a perfect speaker would be a wall made of concrete. It would have two or perhaps three small holes in it. The drivers would then be placed inside these holes. Linkwitz riley 24db octaves and you’re done." "The magico speaker still only uses a cabinet that is a few inches thick at best. My speaker invention would be ten times thicker at a fraction of the cost!" "Magicos are very expensive, solidly built and heavy however there is one problem which the speaker engineers didnt think of when it came to designing the speakers. The woofers in a Magico generate sound from both the front and the back. The problem is that the sound from the back is obviously contained inside that big solid enclosure and after it has reflected around the box, it becomes NOISE. So now you have generated NOISE inside the box which has to be dealt with. The only way to get rid of that nasty noise is to cut a hole using a drill into the back of the cabinet. The hole will need to be big enough to vent the noise. The noise will then need to be vented somewhere far away from the listening environment as you dont want to be hearing that while the music is playing. " " all interconnects are the same. Ive just had a look at your amp and its a class D so you will need to get rid of that and buy a class AB. Next you will need a speaker retune by a speaker tuner. There are not many of those around thesedays. Its not what you wanted to hear but those are the facts." "There is another problem within the speaker industry which is largely ignored by most speaker companies. A speaker cone will emit sound of equal intensity from both sides of the cone, front and back. One of the big problems is that the rear wave is not in phase with the front wave. Nobody has so far figured out how to turn the rear wave fully in phase with the front wave. If this could be done, we would actually not need a box for the driver. It could just be mounted on a bit of mdf and put on a speaker stand and it would sing." "If you look at the high end speaker market, what you will find is that the problem mentioned in this article has largely been ignored. In this respect it is justified to claim that all speakers are the same. They all suffer from the same problems so they will all sound the same." There are many more by the way, but this gets the point across. and to answer your post about my arrogance? The upper end scan speak drivers that you have are normally quite accurate in their measurements. You wanted minor dips in very specific frequencies. I needed very accurate impedance curves at all frequencies and I need very accurate driver curves at all frequencies. Also, I told you that I may need to do impedance compensation, which requires measuring the drivers themselves. You felt sense the impedance curves were fairly flat that they did not need any compensation. I could not get through your head that a rise or lowering of impedance over given frequencies does change its frequency curve. To make sure that I would achieve your desired curve. I needed the drivers to measure.
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Speakers sound like speakers. The vast majority of people listening to music do so through speakers, mostly at home and sometimes at concerts, sometimes very large ones, some fit in their ears. Telling someone else that a speaker sounds awful is like telling someone the food tastes bad, all you can say with any certainty is that food tastes bad to you and speakers sound awful to you. Every Klipsch speaker I have ever heard, and that is dozens at least, sound abysmal. My design professor at uni ( a very qualified engineer) designed and built speakers, he loved Klipsch speakers. I keep trying to find the magic he heard, I just hear screaming. |
Like I said earlier, a troll. One with little resources to draw upon due to being on two different continents and therefore, two different cultures. There's only so much the internet can do to bring us together. All the best, |
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