The definition of an Audiophile : Someone that's spending their time reading this Discussion.
How rare is an audiophile
I’ve been extremely busy lately and not had a chance to sit back and listen to music on my system for a few weeks. I’ve streamed my favorite music in the car and on a small JBL Flip-4 portable speaker; which by the way “punches way above its size class.” I continued to enjoy music whenever, wherever, and however i can during this “dry spell.”
So now its 5 am Sunday morning. I know i’ll be spending most of the day listening on the JBL when my wife and I drive out to a lake house we bought recently and are furnishing and getting ready for 4 generations to enjoy lake life this summer and for years to come.
I’ve let my system warm up and hit play on my CD player. I now find myself in total bliss listening to Chris Standing’s newest CD “The Lovers Re-mix Collection.” The effect of the quality of the sound of the music my wife and i are enjoying right now with a cup of coffee is hard to explain, but it brought literal tears of joy.
I started thinking, how many people are like us? What % of the population are audiophiles (whatever your definition of an audiophile is)?
I know the answer is heavily dependent on which country you live in. I live in the US along with ~332,000,000 fellow citizens (please, lets not get political on the meaning of population or citizen).
Are we the 0.1%ers? Are there ~332,000 audiophiles in the US?
i’d be interested in what others think about how rare our species is.
There are tons of people out there who "like" music. They want their music close by, but don’t want to be tethered by the physical or mental constraints of being an "audiophile" and/or music "lover". The diference being that the music "lover" is comfortable with prioritizing the music listening experience to the degree where it becomes (literally) front and center, and fully engulfs the senses for some period of time. Those attributes, accompanyed by a high level of appreciation for, and curiosity about, the equipment that makes it all happen completes the definition of the term "audiophile" in my opinion. I enjoy observing people involved in other hobbies, and the parallels to audio enthusiasts. We’ve got waytoomuchstuff parked in our garages, too. We are involved in a ridiculous number of car events. Here we go: Street Rods, Muscle Cars, British Cars, European Cars, Ford Powered Cars, Shelby events and, of course, Sunbeam Tigers in particular. What’s the point here? I think we can’t ignore the element of nostalgia as a factor. in the audiphile community. Most of us (?) have a emotional connection to our (past) lives, the music, and the gear. Younger people today are living in the present and haven’t experienced the historical content in just how important music and equipment is in their lives. Just like those basic biological functions, it may be decades before they appreciate what they had. And, one more point. Whenever I get the opportunity to snag a good example of vintage hifi gear, I like to grab them and hang on to them for my grandkids. I’m also finding that I, literally, can’t give the stuff away. Times are different now. |
Interesting question from the OP. I've wondered this myself - here are a few thoughts and observations. First, regarding a definition, I would say that someone who has an interest in audio gear beyond the music they play through it could be called an audiophile. If they thoughtfully assembled their system and could tell you the brand names of their components that's enough for me. Regarding numbers, it's harder. There are about 70K Stereophile subscribers and about half that for TAS. I suspect that many of them, like me, subscribe to both publications. Anyone who reads these publications can certainly be called an audiophile. I suspect that the number of people who feed their hobby with the internet is larger. Michael Fremer has put out videos that have totaled several hundred thousand views. I would call anyone who watches a Michael Fremer video an audiophile. When you estimate how many people subscribe to online reviewers or participate in forums the number is surely in the six figures but there is a lot of overlap with other media. So, I would estimate that the number of audiophiles is probably somewhere south of 500,000 world wide with maybe 300,000 of them in the US. This number makes sense to me because it would take a market like this to support the industry that we have. Is the population of audiophiles growing or shrinking? The evidence is clear to me that our numbers are growing. One only has to look at the increasing number of manufacturers and the explosion of products to determine that this is a healthy market. New models are constantly being introduced at every price point and new types of gear is filling out the product offerings. The amount of gear available is staggering and it is only getting bigger. New audio shows are popping up across the country. I attended the first Pacific Audio Fest (Seattle) last summer and it was a huge hit. New retail stores are opening up. Yes, some have closed, but more new ones are coming on the scene and expanding the retail presence. Everything I see points to an expanding market and a growing base of people who I would call hobbyists or enthusiasts (i.e. audiophiles). I'm 67 and I worked in senior management most of my career. I have only met one other audiophile in all that time outside of an audio show. One way to put this in perspective is to compare how many LGBTQ people I have met vs. audiophiles. Gallup estimates that 7.2% of the US population is LGBTQ. I couldn't begin to tell you how many queer people I have met or known throughout my life but it is a lot. But only one audiophile. Maybe we don't come out of the closet except at audio shows. |
++++1 @bob540 To me, it's one who recognizes there is much more to enjoying music than the music itself; it's HOW the music sounds as well, regardless of how much one has invested in the equipment. |
30 years from now the young people of today will be in their 50’s and "listening" to perfect music transmitted to their brains telepathically. Then they’ll say to each other: "Ah, remember the good ’ole days when we danced around and enjoyed listening to MP3s wearing those really cool-looking ear buds? I miss those times." |
My guess is that its more like 1 in 100,000. I live near Ft. Lauderdale. While there are 2 good record stores, all the audio stores have closed or converted to smart home / home theater stores. There is one in Palm Beach and maybe 2 in Miami. I have tried finding people on facebook rooms such as Turntable Talk, the McIntosh page, and the VPI page to see if anyone live near Ft. Lauderdale or near Charlotte, NC and have never received a response. Luckily a good friend of mine is an audiophile. I just didn't know how rrare we were or how lucky I am to have a buddy who also enjoys the hobby. |
main problem I've seen with my generation: they prioritize convenience over quality. Unfortunately, as the pace of modern life increases our ability to evolve with it doesn't keep up. Half a century of feminism has left many women now by necessity trying to do two roles (and paying taxes as they do) in the same time as their predecessors had to only do one. Some get extra support from their partners, some don't. If they do, then those partners get less spare time. There has been a generational shift, and whether they like it or not, young men today are expected to contribute to household chores and child rearing to a far greater extent than previous generations. No one, except the wealthy who can afford hired home help get more time today. Therefore, given these extra demands on time, it's almost inevitable that convenience will always be more attractive to most of us.
Good point. Since most of us are male, that rules out half the potential candidates straight away. The resurgence of vinyl, if it is maintained, might help somewhat I think. Fiddling around with cartridges, tracking weights, alignment, phono stages, isolation etc more or gets into the audiophile club automatically via the equipment route, doesn't it? To gain access via with an interest in enhanced sound quality is very unlikely considering that digital has already levelled that particular playing field considerably. If you want better sound quality, you will need to start off with better recordings - and that, given the priorities of the music industry is just not going to happen anytime soon. I can listen to 3 or 4 versions of Who's Next and even on my system the differences are fairly marginal between the best and the worst. How on earth could I make the average music listener see the point of doing this? Especially when they can stream that album from a variety of sources that claim their offering is Super HD, or even Ultra Hd etc etc. It might help if the streaming services were to state the provenance of the tracks they are offering, plus mastering credits, DR numbers etc but I can't see that happening anytime soon either. Let's face, only folks like us care about such things, and most of us came from a time when there were such easily detectable differences in sound quality that we could care. |
Should have stayed barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen listening to the hubby's stereo playing in the other room? All the best,
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@nonoise - I might be mistaken, but I didn't see that as a criticism of feminism, but rather a statement about the lack of spare/recreational time and why there seems to be less of it... |
My experience is very similar to @dean_palmer. Gen X'er here---my friends and I spent much of the 80s experimenting with new gear, buying vinyl and CDs. There were several high-end stores we frequented and I still have some of my old gear (now vintage) with upgrades along the way. Now, I venture to audio shows with my husband and play music in my music room alone. I have a few friends that like vinyl but they aren't 'into' the whole audiophile experience. To them, high-end is Beats headphones and iPods. But I am also a 'rare' audiophile because I'm not into jazz and the usual music one hears at audio shows. If I had to compare my musical tastes, they would be like John Darko's music. Don't get me wrong, I love the classics, but my usual taste in music falls into the electronica spectrum. |
@larsman , I thought long and hard before hitting "enter". Half a century ago was around the start of the decline of the middle class. The two roles (being a bread winner and a mother) would have happened regardless of feminism as it now takes two to make what only one needed to do to maintain a semblance of the preceding living standards. Through in the "paying taxes as they do" and we have that same old axe grinding away. I stand by what I said and don't begrudge you your point. All the best, |
Hey Dinov (above) youre in Florida Panhandle? Me too! Thats two rare ducks in basically the same back woods as me. The LP store in Destin area has a nice selection of LP's and even was selling some used gear. The 'on-line' businesses have crushed any brick and martyr store (error intended) . One guy I bump into occasionally is a custom cabinet guy but his reiterated audiophile tip ad nauseum is to put cork under, over, and in everything. I gently suggested there are now better sound damping materials which brought a fresh launch into the benefit of cork flooring. Was he an audiophile? We really do need a solid definition...Audiophile: "A music lover/hobbyist who acquires high fidelity equipment in an attempt to replicate music to a high degree of sonic accuracy." .
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@nonoise - 👍 |
Ah yes...the old days of sexism and misogyny...spoken here by Real Men who seemingly don't know any women and don't have daughters...yeah...those were the days! Put on your bowler hat and go to the club...and, by the way, enjoying music through a great system you or Goodwin's might have designed is a solitary activity almost by definition, and if you need others to pal around with while you polish your (volume) knobs you're gonna be disappointed frequently...get used to people generally not caring about your self indulgent hobby and you'll likely be happier. Join a book club or a biker gang. |
I’d just like to say that the gals who tolerate us boys and our hobbies are the nicest, most patient, loving and accommodating people in the world. I’ve seen this across mulitple spectrums/hobbies. They are the best of the best. Here I am, talking to my gear head buddies about the time I broke the clutch cable on my Corvair at the dragstrip (when I was 18), and only had one tool with me -- a pair of Vicegrips -- clamped it down on the cable, make 3 more passes, and drove the car home. The number of times my loving wife has sat patiently thru this story would take all my fingers and toes (in @asvjerry ’s case 19!) to count. This is in addition to sitting there, nodding her hear during conversations about air gap flux density, room nodes, and the highly energetic 104th demo of Fourplay’s Between the Sheets on my system. She, and my car buddy's companions, are the best!! |
In my teens and through my 20s, my circle of friends and wider social circle were all crazy about music; it was everything to us. We horded/collected music, always looking for new music to wow us. We all also played in bands and/or were singer songwriters with studio experience, but apart from myself, not one of them ever journeyed down the audiophile rabbit hole, or seemed remotely interested in the pursuit. I only ever met one guy who was on the audiophile journey, who was a friend of a friend of a friend, who was a complete Naim/Linn head. Since those heady days of the early1990's through early 2000's, I haven't met any other people interested in the hobby, whether colleagues, later friends, anyone - apart from the guys in my local dealership 😂, but that's a given. Im in the UK, but I feel we're a rare breed. I did meet one guy who bought a piece of gear from me and collected from my home, but I never met or heard from him again (which is good, as I hope he's enjoying the DAC I sold him 😊) |
@edcyn ....well, to be equitable ’bout it...a chunk of the bell curve of people who enjoy music to the degree of wanting to experience it in a certain way of our own choice with devices that range from better than ’average’ to a degree of *ah* commitment that verges on ’mania’... Or....enthusiast to truth seeker, a bunch of varied ’philes. *L* We only squabble occasionally... ;) And generally only a few get heated over whatever it is...the rest resist the keys, and watch the static coalesce.... 😏 We’re good on info, mostly; good-natured for the most part. I’d rather be here, listening to whatevers’ up on screen 2 with the desk Walsh or with the ’phones... Beats going to a bar. Hard to predict wtf one runs into there... *L* Meanwhile...back at the ranch.... Spouse ’n self went to Puscifer this eve...one of the more varied crowds I’d expected, but guessing we were likely the ’elders’ in the mix. *G* The ’openers’ (fem screecher with a the guy on the keys) did 4 numbers loud and hard to tell apart....’meh* Short interlude before the main event... Existential Reckoning tour.. But after ’bout 1.5 hour of bass and subs of ’Industrial rock alternative rock electronic’ in a 16.5K sq.ft. with *mm* 2300 others...we both agreed to cut at the Intermission (bladder break, at min., but the lines to the 1m/1fem RR’s...) and recoup @ home 10 minutes away. I pocketed my aids with the opener and went for my ’better’ plugs and Ev went for my ’roadies’ versions, both covered our ears when the audience cheers the ends ’n starts (my personal ’live’ downfalls, ’white noise’ w/shoutings), but still... I’d download it, as it’s intriguing and has a grin or so within; there’s a remix of same available, which I’ll look into...’losing the crowd’ will enhance it, and let me control the bass, which could verge into below 20hz at times.... Nothing like a ’public massage’, not since Smashing Pumpkins for this meat. *L* Gotta love my girl....;) |
@bob540 ....I'd state that Carefully in mixed company you don't know well.... Just saying..... 😏 Steer you from the reefs... ;) |
@asvjerry: Yeah, I know, I worked with staff that were about 90% female for 37 years. But I figured if they can kick men then I can kick too. Besides, what can they do to me now that I’m retired? I didn’t say that I dislike women, but rather that I prefer the ones from 1940’s-1950’s . . the ones you could enjoy being around. 😉 |
I know four. What does that say about me? An audiofile is someone who, regardless of budget/means loves tinkering with audio equipment and the environment it resides in to better the listening experience. As for numbers with systems who preen and listen. If it were possible to know, then we’d know. Cube Nordost units sold?
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@samureyex - hah! That's a good one. I've got a killer audiophile system - 😁 |
I was already an audiophile at the age of 7 but I never knew that or even the meaning of the word until much later in life. Listening to music at such a young age felt like a source of life force to me. A very fun life source In 5th grade when a friend gave me a cd as a gift, I was over the freaking moon. |
It’s been noted upthread that there are increasing numbers of manufacturers, that some shows are well attended, and that this must be proof of growth of interest in audiophilia. I would add to this the attention that the companies with the really big bucks are paying to sound reproduction. Apple has Spatial Audio, and Amazon has their various home products for pairing with Amazon Music, assorted sound bars, etc. Now the natural tendency here will be to dismiss most of this (Some of us may be interested in Spatial Audio ) as not worthy of Audiophile/Serious discussion. However it indicates that there is a market for better sound than bog standard ear buds. If there are several million people out there investigating better sound, certainly some percentage can be ensnared by the whole enchilada. However the reality is that most of the new generation of listeners they are seeking are sitting alone in their bedrooms, probably multitasking while listening to music in the background. Good luck flipping that group into people willing to spend 5 figures for a component . |
This is a nice discussion, and there are many thoughts that come to mind, but I think the best came from my dear wife, who, by the way, has an excellent ear, and puts up with us, having no less than five different systems in our house, in regard to our extended discussion about what is an audiophile and difficulty defining it, she responded without a moments hesitation, “that’s because it’s not a real thing.“ So there you go. |
I think she means that there are a lot of us who take ourselves and our obsession with equipment way too seriously. Especially when you consider that it is a largely self-absorbed activity which appeals greatly to introverts with surplus time and money. i’m not trying to throw stones here because I put myself squarely in the above category, but I do think it’s healthy to recognize who you are. I’m sure there are many of us who have done very good and worthwhile things and been benefactors to many other people. Just saying it’s good to laugh at yourself once in a while. I also think it’s a good antidote to the toxin of uber-expensive equipment, voodoo snake oil products and the situation wherin grown men can discuss the merits of multi hundred thousand dollar systems with a straight face. to @ezstreams comment about enjoying the JBL Flip 4 I say, bravo! We have a Tribit storm box wireless Bluetooth speaker on the shelf in our bedroom, which fills the room with beautiful sound when we wake up in the morning, and I enjoy for what it brings in that setting as much as my more expensive and handbuilt systems. |
I can contribute one more datapoint on the question of how rare is an audiophile . I live in New Jersey, a state of 9 million or so people. I belong to New Jersey audiopile society which has a membership of 74 people. Even if we assume that only the top 10% of the most avid audiophiles go so far as to join the society, that is still a vanishingly small percentage of the population. |
I could run a rough calculation based on a lot of very loose assumptions such as units active, but that’s a lot of work to come up with questionable ballpark number just to satisfy somebody else’s curiosity itch. Can some number below 1% be judged as either relevant or even interesting? My motivation is miniscule. More importantly, what is the definition of an "audiophile" in the sense how do we count - who qualifies and who does not? |
Judging by the number of cars I hear with pretty good to excellent sound and the number of car stereo dealers. . . . plus people in Ebay who collect vintage gear, etc. . . . plus people into hi-res formats. . . . plus home theater. . . . it has shifted to areas other than the 2 speaker home listening experience. Was it Darwin who said "It's those who adapt to change that survive."? It's not always the fittest.
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In simple reply – you (“we”) are not alone in a deep appreciation of the music that we choose to include in our daily lives. And if it fits being labeled an audiophile, eschewing that moniker’s, sometime hubris of ego, so be it. Among several careers, writing remaining one, our written or spoken word may reflect a depth or shallowness of the space between our ears but it is music that reflects and reveals the fathoms of our soul, providing solace and peace but more often inspiration to create things from art to new businesses. Whether it be a Mahler piece, the soothing harp of a Hilary Stagg, the “comforting and warming choral scores of a cheery requiem” or the sonorous depths of Russian liturgical voices, music is the nourishment that feeds our soul. This morning, beginning my “penultimate year of joining the ranks of “octogenarians,” there was much to contemplate and seeing your posting, laptop fired up and like “Nipper,” ensconced in my “listening chair,” fearing the monoliths looming a few yards away itching to topple crushing my ancient being, decided to contemplate just how to answer your question. As a child in the 1950’s, daily morning awakening involved hearing music wafting from that huge ebony Magnavox console downstairs in my parent’s living room. If they only knew I listened to music on my crystal radio (WOR New York) “Music After Midnight” well into the “wee hours.” Yes, I learned to play the tuba in junior high school, throttling its “umpahhhh” into a mellow deep undernote and would talk incessantly (who would have guessed given this screed) about what was listened to the night before to my track and swimming buddies before our practice and competition meets. Thus, the imprinting of the habit of music from one generation to the next. Indeed, three sons suffer the same affliction despite their broad differences in careers from Senior military officer to executive engineer to top shelf medical research. To wit, now my grandchildren are immersed in music as an integral part of their interests as they pursue their own careers. Fortunate to have traveled extensively word over for more than sixty five years (first aircraft flight at twelve on a “tri-tail”, four engine Constellation – wow me that old) the common thread of the truly impressive individuals with whom lasting friendships have endured, is their including music in their lives, from epicurean tastes to the raw “thwannng” of a R&R ripping guitar score and even a Swiss mountain horn (which I have attempted) . These individuals reflected every level of humanity from the Palestinian whose house was demolished by a neighboring nations bull dozer, to the artisan that fixed my plumbing (as in kitchen sink and also the surgeon when my body needed dry dock and repair) to business people and actually heads of state here and overseas. That common thread of “need for music” and appreciation for its complexity has become part of my “elevator chat encounters” that provide an initial “size up” of character. From strategic global analysis, to writing, to business, to creating for art exhibits here and overseas my take now -- it is the music that envelops our being and consciousness that adds to what and who we become. The brand name and power rating on the amplifier, much like a signed picture of the soup can on a wall may be intended by some to impress and offer bragging rights to satisfy an ego or need for self-esteem elevation but ultimately relevance will only be found within, as the music we tune into, sets the mind on a journey of contemplation, introspection and creativity for the days ahead, appreciative and mindful of the days past. To offer perspective, I am a 1600’s New England Yankee passport holding citizen of my nation, (certainly not “yet” suffering the curse of senility) but also a citizen of the world of music listeners – to judge myself an audiophile would be hubris on my part but acceptable if needed to define the importance of music to me. Be well! THS |
Fortunate to have traveled extensively... the common thread of the truly impressive individuals with whom lasting friendships have endured, is their including music in their lives, from epicurean tastes to the raw “thwannng” of a R&R ripping guitar score and even a Swiss mountain horn. These individuals reflected every level of humanity from the Palestinian whose house was demolished by a neighboring nations bull dozer, to the artisan that fixed my plumbing (as in kitchen sink and also the surgeon when my body needed dry dock and repair) to business people and actually heads of state here and overseas. That common thread of “need for music” and appreciation for its complexity has become part of my “elevator chat encounters” that provide an initial “size up” of character.
Nicely put. For 5 minutes or so I was somewhere else. I was a little put out to realise that my teenage daughter hardly shares any of my musical tastes or any deep interest in sound quality, and neither does my wife. Or maybe they secretly do, but just won't admit it yet? I can hope. I don't believe its elitist to judge people by their tastes in music. Most of the time it makes good sense and gives you an immediate bearing on where that person is coming from. In those cases where someone is unfamiliar with certain piece of music opportunities can arise where you are able to introduce each other with selections they might find sympathetic. Quite often a personal recommendation can be far more helpful than reading what some critic has written in a magazine book. Of course, there are those with whom the musical gulf is not easily bridgeable and there's very little that can be done to amend that. Perhaps it's just a question of where you are prepared to draw the line. Belonging to an informal (usually 3 member) music club I've been introduced to a far wider range of music than I would have been on my own. I've enjoyed most of it too, even if I did tend to drift off a little whilst some Drum and Bass was being tested out or some Northern Soul. Quite surprisingly, I'm even gradually drifting towards Prog Rock, a genre I detested some 40 years ago. [Back then, it was either punk or prog rock, you couldn't like both].
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An associated question might be, how rare is an Audiophile who is also a Videophile? I was intrigued/invested as an Audiophile long before incorporating video in the mix. The custom home that we now live in has both an optimized audio room and a separate home theater room. My wife and I enjoy both rooms and view each as having a different set of priorities. We entertain regularly but find that most of our friends would rather see a movie than listen to music. I guess we have one friend of a friend that could be considered an Audiophile. I met my wife (of 43 years) on a blind date. First thing we did was listen to my audio system. She thought it was grand and the rest is history.
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Assuming someone who pays $100-$150 for an Ultra Disc One Step from Mofi or UHQR from Acoustic Sounds is an audiophile (I know there are some collectors and speculators in those groups), the number is significant enough for them to make the investments. 30,000 copies of Aja are planned at $150 per pop. I think 40K of Thriller were produced on US One Steps. Audiophile is a self-described/inflicted term. Some don't listen to vinyl. In the US I'd guess, less than a million, more than 500K. |
@ezstreams In no way attempting to diminish your sincere intent as displayed in your opening post. Possibly, your definition of "audiophile" is not in the strictest form as we have grown accustomed to expect. You appear to be a "music lover" and "lover of family" more than anything else. Nothing wrong there whatsoever. For now , count yourself lucky in many respects. Not fixating yet over past or future upgrades, cable materials and science mania, acoustic measurement graph reports, , power cord pandemonium , warm side of neutral/plainly neutral/cool side of neutral debates, suggestions of sibilance, system synergy or not etc etc. Once you go down this wonderful and weird rabbit hole, there is no going back. |