How long does Class A have?

+1 @grannyring 
It's the world we live in. The OP was incendiary from the get-go. There is a "Report this" flag function. 

Noromance, my question was not meant to be “inflammatory” my question was a genuine comment about inefficient amps and power hungry devices in our changing world, no one forced to read it or insulted by my OP, just a genuine question. 

mrmeaner

... my question was not meant to be “inflammatory” my question was a genuine comment about inefficient amps and power hungry devices in our changing world, no one forced to read it or insulted by my OP, just a genuine question.

Nonsense. You made this discussion both political and personal right from the beginning. You wanted a political thread and you got one.

... in this modern green era I wonder just how long do Class A amplifiers have before Greta Thunberg gets wind of this inefficient method of creating sound and pisses on the parade?

@phd 

+1

The question the sheeple never ask is "WHOSE SCIENCE? They would rather trust the fake news than question it and do some research


The truth is out there

tweak1, how true, hope they eventually wake up to the truth.

No wonder the US is in the state it’s in.

The world extends beyond your ZIP code.

+1 @noromance

@grannyring i might respect that input IF you applied it to the near daily screed from Miller Carbon…

I’m a proud brit, before any assumptions draw in. I actually do think Greta actually does have an important message, and it’s encouraging our future generations are more aware of the impact of V8’s, V12’s, lead fuels, palm oil deforestation, plastic neglectfulness etc, and I also think even class a amplifiers are within my lifetime at least doomed.
  But apart from all that gloom you peeps are quality peeps. 

Personally I am anti censorship. Audiogon has rules and you just have to follow the rules. If you break them continuously it is reasonable to expect that eventually there will be a penalty.
Also it’s not valid to assume that everyone is capable of behaving within certain social norms. There may be valid medical reasons why someone acts the way they do. In the end though the rules are the rules and those should be enforced in order to maintain a healthy environment that all can enjoy to the benefit of all including the host.  It’s part of the job to some extent I suppose  but the host should not have to continuously babysit the users to keep their place of business welcoming to all. 

Seems there is no hope for us here. Censorship has nothing to do with this. The stated rules are not being followed or enforced. I blame Agon.

I won’t join in and like many will slowly stop visiting this forum. Sadly this is no longer a place to consistently enjoy. It has become a place to oftentimes endure.

At least one can still buy and sell here with relative ease. I certainly do and still like this about Agon. 

I’m a proud brit

@mrmeaner Thanks for your clarification on Greta T.
I sense you were exercising that Olde World wit in your post rather than how it came across. 

Well my Mom said I have to be home by 7:00 pm because I got school tomorrow so I will see you guys later.

Just turn up your AC as high as it can go so your amp doesn’t heat up the planet. 😂🤣

@arcticdeth +1

People who take that 14 y/o dingbat seriously aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed. 

Hahahaha 

ok perkri. 
  You have told everyone your beliefs in your last message. 
       Have a great week. 

Imagine being so insecure that you can't fathom an 18 year old woman having something valid to say.

There’s another one.....

 WOW! I'm shocked!
This forum has lost sight of what's really important! 
The MUSIC! and how it's presented. 
Oh what's happened to humanity?
Must be all the pollutants! 

Imagine being so under-educated that you adopt the views of a 14 y/o child. 😜🤪

Imagine being so narrow minded that you are incapable of looking past myopic preconceived regressive attitudes about a messenger that you can’t hear the message.

But I’m sure you all have your PhD’s in climatology, which is why your opinion is more valid than their knowledge…

Imagine being so narrow minded that you are incapable of looking past myopic preconceived regressive attitudes about a messenger that you can’t hear the message

Yes yes, the new message is the world will end in 12 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-rhPkUag0

Yeah, only those suffering from “myopic preconceived regressive attitudes” people won’t believe that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Better run out and go buy that bunker big guy. 😂🤣

Ps. I believe bunkers are going real cheap in Kabul. 

Am I the only one to see a kind of cruel irony in @arcticdeth 's screen name?  "Arctic death" is in full denial while the ice cap melts away at an alarming rate.

As my amps run on 230v I guess they draw 1/2 the current and 1/2 the power?

The current is halved, but the voltage is doubled since :

Power = Current x Voltage

and it is a wash.  You'll get a lower voltage drop though, since

V = Current x R

therefore the voltage at your outlet will sag less for the same power.

The young girl is merely an advocate for her generation. Good thing they have those based on some of the things read here. Narcissism enabled  is the next big epidemic we will find ourselves having to address on a large scale. 

" while the ice cap melts away at an alarming rate."

What, they’re still here? Weren't they supposed to have melted away in 2013 already?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

"  Narcissism enabled  is the next big epidemic we will find ourselves having to address on a large scale."

Yes comrade. We should deny people who disagree with us their first amendment rights so that the only opinion that is heard is ours. 

Nobody is going to be able to deny your rights nor the rights of others. If they try then take them to task please. That’s the country we live in. That includes the right to be wrong.

"Nobody is going to be able to deny your rights nor the rights of others."

Now THAT is hilarious comrade.

Zuckerberg and Dorsey have all but a monopoly of social media - any opinions other than that which they support is censored. When anybody tries to create an alternative social media platform, the whole media platform is de-platformed - case in point Bezos de platforming Parler.

Allowing people a milk crate to stand on while denying them social media access isn’t freedom of speech, no matter how many times you repeat it to yourself. Political censorship is alive an well in the US and Europe. And it controlled by half a dozen unelected billionaires.

Free speech only for those who toe the party line comrade ...

Well then how did you manage to just speak freely?

Businesses have the right to protect themselves and keep their houses in order. People don’t not have the right to wreck havoc in other peoples houses or places of business. It’s not hard to understand. Having rights does not mean anything goes anywhere anytime. Audiogon mods have the right to delete anything they please in their forum as well. It’s their right. We all have narcissistic tendencies to some degree.  Civil rights protect people from other people when needed. No it’s never perfect but that is how the system works.

Now back to hifi related posts please. 🙏

" Well then how did you manage to just speak freely?"

I suspect that has something to do with this being audiogon and not facebook or twitter.

Businesses have the right to protect themselves and keep their houses in order. People don’t not have the right to wreck havoc in other peoples houses or places of business.

FLMAO - expressing a dissenting opinion is " to wreck havoc in other peoples houses "? Parler was wrecking havoc on AWS? LOL - you sir, are a comedian of great caliber. 

But I am proud of you comrade. When depriving others their rights, one must always convince oneself you are not. 

Some people clearly do not understand the American form of government and its partnership with capitalist driven businesses.  The U.S. Constitution says that government cannot abridge your right to speak freely.  There is no provision that requires private companies to do the same.  Facebook and Twitter can make arbitrary, irrational, discriminatory, capricious and random decisions about the content they allow.  It's under the auspices of private property rights.

Your “Comrade” references are out of line. Bet you wouldn’t do it in person.

"There is no provision that requires private companies to do the same. Facebook and Twitter can make arbitrary, irrational, discriminatory, capricious and random decisions about the content they allow. It’s under the auspices of private property rights."

The person with lack of understanding is you.

Neither Facebook or Twitter are private companies.

This has no relation to private property rights in any way shape or form.

Facebook and Twitter are both media companies like newspapers are. Media companies can not "make arbitrary, irrational, discriminatory, capricious and random decisions about the content they allow". By law they can choose what they publish but then be liable to be sued for what they publish or refuse to.

Facebook and Twitter were given special rights protecting them from liability of what they publish to get them off the ground. Given their success, they should no longer special protections not afforded to other media companies.

" Your “Comrade” references are out of line. Bet you wouldn’t do it in person."

Bet you I would comrade.

Facebook and Twitter are NOT media companies like newspapers. They’ve successfully fought off being legally recognized as such or they’d be held accountable for the tons of lies they allow to pollute our society.

I think a lot of audiophiles who’ve been so aggrieved by this thread can be summed up as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
Be proud about it. Own it. You’ve earned it.

All the best,
Nonoise

Well if you did it in my house be assured you would get the boot.  Cheers!

I'm thinking I may have to add two more pass XA's to my rig, ya know just for the tweeters :)  Long live class A. Nothing like 'em. 

It is clear that folks love their Class A amps and are willing to pay what ever price to keep them, nothing wrong with that.
Greta's father works for the United Nations who works for no one. They are promoting the idea that global warming is real and needs to be addressed immediately when in fact the Earth has naturally gone through cooling and warming trends over thousands of years. They want to take away fossil fuels (which they blame on global warming) and turn us back to the stone age. They kept from us green energy (free energy) that would of made a difference in many peoples lives. Finally and more importantly they want to do a carbon tax on fossil fuels which stands to make them billions of dollars. Just my opinion.

Facebook and Twitter are NOT media companies like newspapers.



They are like newspapers if they make editorial decisions. They aren’t platforms like Verizon or at&t, those two don’t make editorial decisions, you can spread all the disinformation you want on those two platforms. So why should these tech giants get to hide behind the we are a platform when they aren’t  just a platform anymore.

"There is something respectable to reacting well to banter. It is intentionally harmless teasing behavior meant to bait our universal base instincts to be vengefully forceful, bitterly victimized, or helplessly passive. Sometimes we are able to control these emotional feedback loops or even manage to be cleverly playful. When that happens, we are signaling to ourselves and others the degree of dignity or good attitude we are capable of when experiencing demanding cooperative environments. Those signals foster better relationships in societies with harsh living conditions, brutal professional environments, demanding personal relationships, and hard conversations to find the truth."

So, having concern for the environment and your fellow human beings makes you a commie? Nice. "Comrade" is such a dumb insult. Ignorance and arrogance are a bad combination of personality defects. Insults like this are usually thrown out by people who have had zero experience in the world.

Desalination of the oceans is happening. When that passes a certain point, the gulf stream will change its path having a rather dramatic outcome on the climate patterns globally.

For the past several years, the storms hitting the US have been getting more intense. Indeed, they have been getting more intense globally. Temperatures are alternating between hotter than on record and colder than on record.

There was a time when excellence was looked upon as a positive thing. Not any more. The disenfranchised have turned the ones who have pursed excellence in a given field as being the Elite - Comrads...

If you knew anything about Communism, you would realize there is no elite, just the herd. Guess that makes you the "Comrade", huh? 

The disenfranchised naysayers are responding to the world in the same way Isis is reacting to it. And they are being recruited by those who seek to exploit their disenfranchisement in the same manner to help spew disinformation in order to seek out more disenfranchised for the "cause"

Anyway, you are not going to have to wait much longer for the truth as  many American people will be shocked to the core when they release it and it will change the way you think about everything. It coming soon! It is part of the "great awakening"

I find it difficult to accept there is life out there that is soooo ignorant. 

Guess this post will also be removed as there are people out there that are not prepared to accept the truth of science! 

I truly feel sorry for you all and hope we may be able to get back on track of the importance of listening to and helping people reach their goals of having the best audio system they can afford. 

Please get back to the point of this forum! 

Regards, Tony. 

Love it when the sheep belly up to the kool-aid stand and ask for two. If you have not opened your eyes to the fact that all government is corrupt to the core you are the one in for the shock of your life when your eyes open. “The new ice age, global warming, climate change, 19, delta, zulu, science,” All part of the Great Reset to separate the rich elites from we the people. This thread is the perfect example of how successful the elites have become in their battle against us. The basic war tactic of divide and conquer. Right now they sit back and get rich, eat where they want, fly private jets around the globe, and get chaffered in huge cars all the while us minions fight there battles amongst us for them. If we the people can’t unite for our own good they will destroy us but we need to destroy the elites. No response needed as I will not revisit this conversation. I am going back to enjoy the music!

@sgreg1,
Spot on.