Have you set up current speakers in new room yet? What qualities did your previous speakers lack that you are looking for ?
Help with high end bookshelf speakers
I need help please. Past few years I'm gone through a myriad of speakers and now my wife is relegating me to a third bedroom for a dedicated listing space. I'm trying to figure out what kind of bookshelf speakers I can use with a Hegel 390, Auralic, Denafrips DAC in an 11x12 room. Trying to decide if I need to change my whole system or find something that works with what I have.
Thanks everyone
@ OP -- If you are looking for the realistic natural sound and the speaker that reproduces the original music, check below information. Say "hello" repeat with below spkrs sounds and try hear your voice and speaker sound together. When you listen a audio system at the show and people talk a lot and you want to say "please shut off. Let me listen to the music." Right. Human can’t listen to a human voice (natural sound) and audio music (electronic sound = un-natural sound) together. People go to a live band cafe and enjoy the live music and hear friend’s voice together without any problem. Now say "Hello" repeat with below spkr sound and try hear your voice and speaker sound together. This speaker sounds like a real human voice and you should look for the speaker sounds like this. Alex/WTA |
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Best bookshelves I’ve owned and heard out of many are the Tyler Acoustics Taylo Ref monitors. They use the same Seas drivers as the non-graphene Joseph Audio speakers, along with top shelf crossovers. Tyler no longer lists them on his website but I don’t see why he couldn’t make a custom order pair since all the required parts remain available. |
@soix in every thread you respond to, you are always helpful in trying to bring out more info from the OP in order to give better advice. But, man, you have a great sense of humor and had me rolling on the floor with your divorce humor in this particular thread. 😂 |
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Assuming divorce and murder are non-starters, may I suggest Harbeth 30.2 XDs. -They are known to pair well with Hegel (I believe Harbeth shows their speakers with Hegel) -I've compared them in my home (a large open plan space) next to my 40.3 XDs and it is really hard to wrap your head around how rich these speakers sound for their size (and comparative price, you could pick up a used pair in the US right now for around $4K) -as advertised, they are easy to drive despite sensitivity of 86dB -ignore the 50Hz bottom end, in a room they go way lower -great near-field and not fatiguing (6 ft apart and a couple of feet from side and back walls should be fine) Caveats: -they do need proper stands IMO (Ton Trager or Resonant Woods) -if loud classic or hard rock is your main genre look elsewhere; they excel with vocals (obviously), jazz, acoustic music and anything by Tom Petty (classified as rock I think but IMO his own genre and usually very high production values) |
@aewarren Cheaper to Keep her Haven’t heard that tune in years. |
You guys are all really encouraging, for 45 years I'm pretty much stuck. I'll just get a lock for the door to the dedicated listening space. In all seriousness, I'm curious why I didn't get the usual suspects when I asked about a high-end bookshelf speaker i.e. Sonus Faber, Dynaudio & Revel. Makes me wonder... |
@renosteve I think @macg19 makes a good point, not only about Harbeth, but other bass-capable stand-mount, or bookshelf speakers, their in-room response betters their specs, and the Harbeths are easy to drive— a desirable quality. Were I given the opportunity to start over in a room you describe, which closely resembles the temporary home of my system, I would go with stand-mounts and a relatively high-end sub (or two) that allowed for infinite phase adjustment. Final Note: In support of the stand-mount for the space, in my nearly square, five-doored, room with a large beam / ductwork splitting the ceiling reflections up, I find that a capable full-range floor-stander (B&W 801M Series 2; front-ported, 12” woofer, separate mid/tweeter enclosure) is a little ‘big’ for the space; compared to a vintage full-range ‘bookshelf’ (Warfedale W70E; 15” woofer, 5” mid, Mylar tweeter) in the same space. The B&W has a fuller, meatier tone (or timbre), but feels a bit constrained and not ‘good.’ I think more space would allow them to open up. The Warfedales image wonderfully, and the 15” woofer digs just a bit deeper than the B&W but lacks the B&W’s ‘slam.’ |
If you are looking at true high end, look no further than the Sonus Faber Guarneri. They are the best sounding bookshelves I've ever heard. I shopped extensively when I bought my end game speakers. Sonus Faber should be at the top of everyone's list. I ended up with a pair of Serafinos. Outstanding engineering and the most beautiful speakers available at any price point.
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If you want to try an excellent sounding bookshelf speaker that can be had used for under $500 a pair, I would recommend the KEF Reference Series 101. It's very well made and similar in design to an early Rogers LS3/5A. It even uses the same drivers but with a different crossover. If you don’t like them you could probably sell them for what you paid. |
@wsrrsw Johnnie Taylor |
You Mentioned reflections. I like the idea of the Revel M126 with matching stands. They are really good with reflection due to the tweeter 5th gen wave guide, they have some very nice finishes, and they sound good with the Hegel series. |
Because for some reason, and despite being asked repeatedly by several others, you’re providing no info on budget, what speakers you’re using now, what specific improvements/sound characteristics you’re looking for, or if your looking for new or used. Stop wondering and just share this basic and critical info and you’ll get much better and more specific/targeted recommendations here. Sheesh. Help us help you. |
I'm a composer, pianist, and audiophile, and if you would like to seek great quality with great value, I recommend the following professional near field monitoring systems: 1. More expensive, but great relative value for what you get (my current audio recording editing monitor system): Genelec 8341A monitors (larger models are 8351 and 8361); these can be -- but don't have to be -- combined with one or two related subwoofers (model 7350A or there are larger model options) -- I have two of these subwoofers that I purchased used. I output my piano recordings from my MacBook Pro via USB through a MUTEC MC-3+ USB master clock/reclocker; I've also purchased a new USB connection controller by Genelec for this system (model 9320A), but haven't received it yet. All of the cabling is by DH Labs (silversonic.com), which was very reasonable. What prompted me to investigate this system (including the MUTEC unit) were (a) Audio Science Review's Master Audio Review Index (these Genelec monitors were at the top of the rankings), and (b) a review on Sweetwater.com of the Genelec 8341A monitors, by an audiophile and pianist -- his comments were not only correct, but I went further and added the subwoofers, which substantially improved the system: "Not a pro, just an audiophile; incredible sound for the price. I'm not a sound engineer, just a software engineer and piano performance major with a long time love of audiophile systems that can reproduce natural, you-are-there sound. I bought these for my office workstation system, to provide "good enough" background playback of hi-rez streams from Qobuz and Tidal. I was flabbergasted to find that the 8341's driven by a bare bones Roon Macbook USB -> Mutec 3 front end could almost match the main listening system I've spent 15 years optimizing component by component at 20X the price point. Not to mention 10X the physical space requirement. FYI, I've tried plenty of 'bargain' hi-fi options as well over the years, from JBL to Paradigm to PSB to Focal and B&W mid level, so this isn't simply a case of a a stupid audiophile being unaware of what less expensive equipment with good base specs can do. There is some material, such as 60's through 80's classic rock that I actually prefer on these over the main system." 2. Much less expensive, but great (my prior audio editing monitors, which I still use for recreational listening): Dynaudio BM6A MKII active monitors (which should be readily available used, or you could get the current model); Dynaudio made (and perhaps continues to make) a subwoofer designed to supplement these. P.S. I would also add, importantly, that having two source/headphone systems of similar total cost to the Genelec system, and after listening to vastly more expensive large systems, I think the best value audiophile solution -- if you want to optimize sound quality and listening alone -- are near-field monitors -- the audiophile sweet spot in driver size, in my opinion, because: (a) they minimize the room acoustic issues (since you sit close to them -- the drivers on my Genelec system are two feet from my ears) that are often costly major problems for large systems, while (b) providing large enough drivers to provide the physical acoustic bass/low mid-range that headphones can struggle to replicate because their drivers are necessarily small. |
Wow, this is kind of overwhelming, it all sounds great.
@oldrooney seems to have similar room issues, think I'll try integrating a good sub in before I bail on the living room. I have a meager 5K budget so I need to appropriate the where the dollars go. In the event I can get this room to play decently would digital room correction such as a mini-DSP have any value? Probably overthinking things again, just wondering. Great input from all, thanks again.
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Renosteve 42 posts in, and we finally have your budget.....of course you've gotten recommendations all over the place because no one knew your price constraints. No need to replace any of your electronics, they are all very good. Some options to consider for a relatively small space such as your new room: Buchardt Audio S400 MKIIs $2,500, Fritz Carbon 7s $2,800, Borreson X1 $5,500, Philharmonic BMR $2,200, used Joseph Audio Pulsar Graphene $6,500, used Vivid Kaya S12s $4,800 |
meager? My whole current system cost half of that and it sounds awesome. You have a massive selection if you consider used. |
@renosteve -- you've been asked repeatedly about your current system -- particularly the speakers -- and you've given several replies without ever answering the question. Why? Keeping things a secret makes it harder to give suggestions that will work for you (assuming, of course, that you happen to like your current system.)
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Misstl questions WHY I ask about speakers, its due to change of location and terrible room acoustics. When moving I kept the core system but sold speakers thinking I would purchase some that fit best in the new house. Purchased a set of KRF R3 meta to test how the room reacted, it's very discouraging. Resolved myself to g dedicated listening space in nearfield just trying to decide if I want to sell out to surround sound or a basic background system for the living room. Unfortunately like everything else with this move, including my wife is a challenge. I'd like to build a TT system up again once I get the core set. Since I am a old wannabe audiophile I'm trying to avoid to doing to do the same thing over and over again. What's the definition of crazy?
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