Cable curmudgeon

@soix 

Thank you so much for your observation.  Your only intention seemed to be to put down @exflute  for having ears that can perform well in a top orchestra but you allege does not perceive differences in the sound of cables that you allege (without any objective testing) to be able to perceive.

@oliver_reid 

Thank you for your rational, cool, post which which I fully agree.  I doubt Soix would agree with much of it so that makes you 'clueless' if you care what Soix thinks.

@baylinor 

Thank you for your rational question.  The chief difference in my two posts you read is that one is a negative commentary on a music genre, which is a passive, non living person, and the other is a defence of an individual who was unnecessarily attack for holding an opinion and, as a top musician, may be sensitive.  Passive objects suffer no discomfort from such attacks, although those who identify with such an object might get their feelings hurt a bit if they suffer from under-confidence.  Whereas individuals can suffer damage.  The former are therefore fair game whereas the latter are worthy of respect and understanding.

I should be happy to post a photo of my system here if someone will tell me how to do it.  But many here something of it from my other posts.

Unusual elements are:

No streaming or similar.

CD and SACD players but rarely used.

Electrostatics speakers since 1978.  Currently Martin Logan CLS Anniversaries

Simon Yorke S10 and Aeroaarm, the latter a very rare rig, air bearing, less than 10 customer units, the most effective air bearing arm ever designed.  Awesome.

Five or six high end low output moving coils

van den Hul The Grail SE.

Other amps are Audio Research.

Cabling is mostly Siltech.

I don't tweak much and don't spend money on passive components, save the room which has been purpose built.

            What persuaded me to audition Big Silver Oval speaker cables:

                    https://analysis.plus/a-tribute-to-mark-markel/

@bruce19 -

Personally I am open to persuasion on the issue but am leaning to being skeptical for the following reasons, A.) cables get much less attention on the pro side whether it is the recording studio or the electric musician.

     OK then (just a for-instance):

                                     https://proaudio.analysis.plus/artists/

@cleeds 

You are incorrect.  My post was not derogatory to Soix.  Unfortunately I don't keep copies of what I put up here.

It could and perhaps should have been unsulting to Soix.  Here is what he said about exviolin:

@So, what the hell are you even doing here trollsicle? Enjoy listening to your cheap-ass, crap stereo in total ignorance, attend only un-amplified acoustic performances, and while you’re at it feel free to not come back here. Your post and uninformed opinions are absolutely meaningless in the context of this site. Troll elsewhere.'

There, for those who want hints and tips on how to write bile.  That should have been taken down immediately.

I understand Soix is at present on his hands and knees trying to find differences in his cables.  I sure hope he tells us if he finds one; we shall all be enthralled  But if you ask him what music's he's listening to, he probably won't know.

This is actually a very revealing thread; maybe it would benefit from better cables. The OP may be trolling, or may be just bewildered by audiophile fetishism; hard to tell. But the vitriol his post inspired is revealing. Those who calmly respond that it all depends on what you hear perhaps neglect to notice that we all advocate for our preferences here. If it were just up to each pair of ears to have their own preference, there’d be no need for, or interest in, this site! Thing is, we all believe that our ears, and our perceptions, are "right," so we try to convince others of this. But that’s really hard to do when it comes to crazy expensive cables and tweaks, since rarely do these have any objective criteria (i.e., science) on their side. The anger of some here with the OP suggest a great deal of defensiveness; if you really do hear a difference that’s worth big bucks to you, what difference could it possibly make to you that some stranger doesn’t? That would matter only if you don’t really believe yourself; that you have doubts about whether or not you’re deceiving yourself, and wasting your money.

Anyway, the response that "it’s all about the music" is also disingenuous. Come on, let’s be honest; it’s also about the gear, which is mostly what we discuss on this forum. And that’s fine; lots of technology is "beautiful" in its own right, and that beauty almost necessarily involves a mating of aesthetics and functionality—otherwise, it would be art, and not technology. We love gadgets; get over it, and don’t be ashamed to admit it.

The sports car analogy is dubious, too, IMO. Very few owners of high-performance cars know how to drive them to anywhere near their limits. The relevant comparison here is not between an experienced sedan driver and a sports car owner, it’s between a commuter and a competitor. How many of us sports car enthusiasts are competitors, or even aspire to be?

One more thing. I agree with the OP’s intuition that an audio system ought to reproduce the timbre of acoustic instruments as accurately as possible, and that a musician who is intimately familiar with the way real acoustic instruments sound is therefore in a good position to judge about that. Of course, most music is processed and amplified in various ways; indeed, very many "acoustic" events are as well, whether you know it or not. But that’s not the point. If "music" is what an audio system is supposed to reproduce, and not just "sound," then one needs to find a standard somewhere. Since you don’t know what an amplified rock band sounded like in the studio, or in concert, using unamplified acoustic instruments as that standard makes perfect sense as far as I can see. I suppose other familiar sounds—streams or waterfalls, trains, the human voice—can also serve that purpose. But I disagree with the OP’s claim that the individuation of instruments live is superior to what "two speakers" can rather magically accomplish in a good system set up properly in an acoustically sensitive room. My system can isolate individual performers in a smallish ensemble (say, the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra) with more locational specificity than I’ve ever experienced live. I can actually follow particular instrumental lines in a complex piece (say, a Haydn symphony) by "watching" the performer with my eyes closed than I’ve ever been able to do in a live performance. That acoustic hologram, or hallucination, is one of the principle thrills—and genuinely musical benefits—of high end audio.

I knew the moment I saw the OP where this was going. The OP and the usual names who jumped on the opportunity. These folks are very predictable:

These “contrarians” who poo-poo the efficacy of expensive cables often appear in many other forums, threads, audio groups, questioning the merits of expensive audio products.  They are either disgruntled with their lot in life (e.g. a spouse who wears the proverbial pants, a wallet that squeaks so loud they hate to open it, etc.) or their skills of self-persuasion require constant exercising with selfish expectations of indulgence on our part. 

Not having a fact-based opinion because it's foreclosed by those circumstances, however, doesn't prevent them from expressing their frustration-based comments.

It's not about whether they can or cannot afford to pay more.  Hobbyists who operate within a prescribed budget are quite content with value-based high performance systems and work diligently to accomplish that end. They bear no grudge against those who chose to spend more. 

@rodman99999 

Do you think the more rational approach of the professional industry to cable could be something to do with the fact their professional experience and ears tell they they would be shafted?

At the level of some misguided audiophiles, can you really imagine a business, even this one, paying $2m or so, in scale, to re-cable their studio?

The poster listened to two sets of not very good cables and didn't find much difference. That's hardly surprising.

The experience of being a musician is not necessarily very beneficial in judging differences in sound reproduction - though it has many other benefits in terms of the appreciation of music.

The former is the reason we have recording engineers.

@bruce19 -

B.) I am not aware of cables being overly significant in other mission critical electronics such as in the medical field or aeronautics or telecommunications. There is a justification in all of these areas for a well built, properly specked wire, but none of the hocus pocus that only seems prevalent among us audio hobbyists. 

      Just another for-instance (click on, "Letter From NASA"):

                        https://homeaudio.analysis.plus/knowledge-base/

bruce19: +1. Your post came in while I was writing mine; I wouldn't have bothered had I read yours first.

bruce is the Boss!

Long time ago Sterophile used to interview musicians about their audio systems. Some examples, John Lee Hooker with a Technics midi, Charlie Haden with Linn and Naim, John Lurie with entry Luxman integrated, Yamaha CD changer, double cassette deck and B&W entry bookshelf speakers.

Completely different approaches and involvement so being a musician does not automatically support the will for a better system.

I believe all the above have good experience with live sound.

I gotta give an attaboy to @soix  for his 1st 2 posts anyway. Succinct *& to the point.

@teo_audio They have moderators and I have been told that they really look at the posts before deletion. But I know better just because of how things go down. All one has to do is to click the "report this" link at the bottom of every post and the mod will just delete it because the squeaky wheel gets the oil. I doubt they have any clue about how far downhill this forum has gone. This used to be among the absolute best forum. Now its a food fight filled with newbies who are no more audiophile than my 7 yr old niece. But they know it all, like I did when I was 17-18.

artemus_5"All one has to do is to click the "report this" link at the bottom of every post and the mod will just delete it"

That is false, untrue, and not an accurate or fair representation of the moderators of this group who will delete posts for sound, valid, genuine reasons that reflect and respect the guidelines, rules, and policies of this group. As an overall and general observation it is those who complain about the group's moderators who are the source of most of the group's arguing, divisiveness, and insult and  I will out of respect to the moderators not name the group's users to whom I refer in a vague sense.

@artemus_5 :

Now its a food fight filled with newbies who are no more audiophile than my 7 yr old niece. But they know it all, like I did when I was 17-18.

This is 100% correct. Some general / common "treats" of such posters I have observed from almost all of them:

1 - They just joined Audiogon Forums recently. Sometimes as recent as the past few weeks

2 - Zero Feedback and Zero transactions in Audiogon

3 - No audio system listed under Audiogon Systems

I don't really understand the motivations of cable-deniers.  Are they trying to "save" everybody from pointlessly spending money?  Surely participants on this site can make up their own minds.  The one responsible thing to do is to urge everyone to buy from vendors who allow a home trial and return privileges.  Then they can make up their own minds.  If that's not it, then it must be because they want their personal opinion to win out.  What else could it be?

@exflute - You are correct, you did kick an ever-present hornet's nest.  Its all good when people share their personal experiences but things tend to go off the rails when people try and tell others what they should be hearing or make collective judgement decisions about the value of something.  Whether a cable, fuse, or tweak is "overpriced" is a subjective assessment that can only be made by the buyer with respect to their own experiences, system, and budget.    

I like to say that we all vote with our wallets - purchase and live with what makes you happy.  As some here have wisely said, the only person you need to satisfy is you.  I also agree with @baylinor that seeing a poster's virtual system allows me to have better perspective on their posted viewpoints.

I can’t overlook the fact that precious few manufacturers that I know of bother to include anything more than basic well made cables with their equipment. If it really made a difference wouldn’t you want to add a $1000 power cable to you $10,000 amp to make sure your customers got the best out of it?

@bruce19 The reason higher-end manufacturers don’t include better power cables with their products is that the cables are very listener and system dependent, and most audiophiles either already have or will buy good aftermarket PCs that best meet their tastes/needs. Plus, including better PCs would significantly increase the price of the product, which is not consumer friendly if many are likely to replace the PC anyway.

Thank you so much for your observation. Your only intention seemed to be to put down @exflute for having ears that can perform well in a top orchestra but you allege does not perceive differences in the sound of cables that you allege (without any objective testing) to be able to perceive.

@clearthinker You continue to be absolutely clueless as to the actual point I was making, and I just feel sorry for you dude. And my only intention was not to put the OP down (although I admit that was a nice side benefit) but rather to explain why his inexperience in high-end audio does not put him in a position to make an uninformed claim like expensive cables are all “hype.” It’s certainly his right to have that opinion, but that he did so with overconfidence and arrogance was what prompted my more pointed comments.

And his argument about un-amplified music being different from a home audio system is wrongheaded and ridiculous. A home system’s job is to, as best as possible, recreate what the recording engineer intended and laid down on the master — PERIOD. Whether the music is live, dead, amplified, or un-amplified is completely irrelevant to the agnostic task of an audio system to accurately reproduce what it’s fed. If the OP had more experience he would recognize that better audio systems, given a good acoustic recording, can absolutely bring a live feel and experience to the home listening environment, but his closed-mindedness will likely prevent him from ever experiencing or realizing that. Ok, I’ve waisted enough time on you. Maybe someone more knowledgeable and experienced here will explain to you what my original post actually addressed in terms of the OP not being qualified to make definitive assertions regarding high-end audio as I’m not inclined to educate or deal with you any further. Peace out.

New poster shows up, posts a nonsensical thread designed to create controversy, and then disappears. How many times are you folks gonna fall for this?

When I started out in this hobby, speaker wire was 18 ga. zipcord...16 ga. if you felt like a splurge.  Premium interconnects were Switchcraft.  Speaker terminals were screws with knurled nuts, and the Marantz 7, 8, and 9 were still around (but on their way out).  The "audiophile" bible was Edgar Vilchur's "Understanding High Fidelity".  The most revered recordings by Mercury (Living Presence), RCA (Living Stereo), and boutique labels like Vanguard and The Connoisseur Society were being made...using utterly pedestrian copper wires, vacuum tube recording electronics, and excellent musical judgement. Draw your own conclusions.

On a personal note...

I was in the room when Noel Lee came (personally) to the store I worked in to announce the coming of a new order...in which hanks of zipcord would no longer be given for free with the purchase of a pair of speakers, which was the practice at the time.  He spoke with evangelical fervor...and our buyer/owner listened and heard that the Word was Good...for the bottom line.  Disciples, copycats, and believers in alternate versions of the Word followed, and the old order was indeed overturned.

The profit motive cannot be ignored in this discussion.  I absolutely support the right of every audiophile to buy whatever they deem best for their listening preference.  But in the real world environment of audio retail most buyers are not hobbyists, are not skilled in discerning fine differences, and are often over-sold purely for profit.  

The OP makes two points I strongly agree with.  Musical fidelity is best, perhaps only, discernable based on acoustic instrument reproduction, and cables' contribution to overall system performance is of tertiary importance.  First is the room/speaker, second the amplification, then the in-between stuff.

word of the day,  sommeliers 

I love this forum. can't we just all get along. 

@cleeds 

As for those asking others to post their systems, 

Just for clarity, I am not asking you or anyone else to post their system here but, for those who do, seeing their virtual system usually allows me a better understanding of their viewpoints.  I am sorry your information was doxed. 

A.) cables get much less attention on the pro side whether it is the recording studio or the electric musician.

Not so. Professional studios have long been cognizant of cable deltas. One studio had Monster, Mogami, Canare, Belden, etc. and some then 40 year old Neumanns. The room, microphones, wiring, console and recorder all contribute to "The Sound" of famous places like Air, Sunset, The Record Plant, Hit Factory, etc. Many’s the time a part was recorded ’cross town for the particular flavor. Sometimes we’d rent a particular recorder to keep that flavor constant and garnish with the other flavors.

OP:

But, for me, spending oodles of money on hyped cables, well... I liked the solid core for my alarm system- still do.

@newbee:

Yet he is gleeful, I think, in making a pronouncement that selection of wires is of minimal benefit in audio systems.

I’m 100% in agreement on the lunacy of spend beacoup bux on cables hyped by FanBoys or salesmen.

About 40 years ago, I ran an AES clinic wherein we compared a pricy Monster speaker wire and THHN. Very few participants got better than a coin toss. A few got very high marks is discerning the difference, which was not subtle. Those same few also got high marks in the valve vs SS and polarity clinics. Bottom line, in any population, some can tell all of the time, some some and some none. IMO, the closer one moves to NONE, the more strident the advocacy. The NONEs who spend the most are perhaps the most strident.

Since we’re ’reading into’, presumably many of the posters here would fare no better than guessing, but ramble on about the benefits of cables they own connected to their gear in their room on their program.

It’s silly to think cables can have no effect and purely unscientific to think that a particular cable will shine in all instances. About twenty years ago, after I’d been out of recording for about 15 years, I upped the HiFi ante a little and auditioned some qualtiy cables. It’s irrelevant for everyone but me & the missus in that room but maybe a bit entertaining ieLogical Audiophilia Redux Cable Quest

Few musicians and engineers I worked with had a HiFi worth mentioning. One top engineer commented that my system was too good as it exposed the LP for the rubbish it is compared to the master tape played on the recording deck in the mix room.

Big +1 @newbee Bingo!!! I’ve played in a band for many years, and there’s very little from playing live music that translates to assessing individual components of an audio system. And I don’t care how good you think your ears are — being able to judge audio components takes many hours of listening to a wide variety of equipment to even begin to be able to make useful, robust, and reliable conclusions. This is especially true for components like cables and digital front ends where differences can be more subtle yet still critical to the overall and ultimate performance of a stereo system, and these components take even more time than other components to get to know what to listen for. When I first started out I couldn’t hear much, if any, differences between wires and CD players, but with time and experience they become obvious and much easier to hear and appreciate. So given the OP’s clear lack of experience in these areas it’s not surprising he’s happy with garbage wire — he has no perspective to know what he’s hearing. But then to make the silly and ridiculous leap to state that more expensive cables are just “hype,” well, that’s where it got uncool for me. Anyway, thanks newbie for reinforcing what I said in my first post.

"This used to be among the absolute best forum. Now its a food fight filled with newbies who are no more audiophile than my 7 yr old niece. But they know it all, like I did when I was 17-18."

Wow! This and similar comments from others in this thread should make people in the industry, hoping to lure new users to the audiophile world weep.

Let me see if I can throw some light on where @exflute was coming from.  To him all music is not the same.  For him pure unamplified live acoustic music is different from other forms.  He's a classical musician.  I think he's got a good point and one I can understand.  For him electronic artifacts are an interference to his listening pleasure, be it an electric guitar, a tape recorder, a digital set-up, whatever.  That's not unreasonable surely.  After all, we all admit there is no perfect hi-fi system; in fact more are a poor substitute for live music. But its all we have.

I am not prepared to concede, as quite a number here have posited, that exflute's ears are good for playing in a professional orchestra but bad for hearing cable differences.

There are people who are in this hobby and claim that there are not differnces between cables, or that digital transports sounds the same or that diy dacs or speakers sound good or better than hi end products. Perhaps I would argue with them, if I had extra time to spend on unknown people and unimportant subjects.

On the other hand, there are people who are not in this hobby and to whom any properly configurated hi fi system may sound almost the same and who are not burdened by its imanent idiosyncracy.

It would be wise if every such statement should be taken within its context and with proper understanding of its origin.

On the other hand, op has raised some interesting questions, perhaps even unintentionally. Some food for the thoughts...

Does hi fi have meaning beyond listening of unamplified music (other than classical, jazz or similar)

Does anybody really believe that hi fi reproduction can sound like a 'real thing'?(except for the tone and timbre of instruments)...Stereo does not exist in the nature...(there are excellent mono systems, I know)

Hi fi is all about creation of illusion of 'live event' and no matter how big is your room, I doubt that anyone can fit in a symphonic orchestra...Somebody even wrote that his reproduction is even more real than the live event...which is fine if you are fan of hyperrelism...but, some might call such way of expression as artificial, with every right... 

Naming hi fi as a tool which will help as hear the recordings as they were made is another myth. Nobody, except the mastering engineers knows how something sounded before its been worked on. We can only compare the recordings with our imaginary references, that were made on live events or perhaps by listening different gear.

In any case, the op does not deserve the personal attacks. Hi fi should be fun and enterteiment, a hobby (no matter how pointless or expensive it might be) and not the extension of someone's ego...

@alexatpos The following

'In any case, the op does not deserve the personal attacks. Hi fi should be fun and entertainment, a hobby (no matter how pointless or expensive it might be) and not the extension of someone's ego...',

are my sentiments exactly, each to there own, and each to using the equipment and ancillaries where they are most satisfied.

In the OP there is a reference to a experience that potentially caused the thread creator to be aloof, this is possibly something expressed by all to some degree, who have spent time close to the retail side of HiFi.

The results the thread creator has perceived during their own trials with Cables are their experience, perception and assessment, I accept their findings. 

M

I am not prepared to concede, as quite a number here have posited, that exflute's ears are good for playing in a professional orchestra but bad for hearing cable differences.

I just can’t — it’s like trying to reason with a bag of hammers. 

When I first started out I couldn’t hear much, if any, differences between wires and CD players, but with time and experience they become obvious and much easier to hear and appreciate.

Could be that you got better at listening, or possibly, you've become indoctrinated with the audiophile orthodoxy.  Reading mags, going to audio shows, hanging out in audio forums -- next thing you known your fuses are directional.  I'm just saying.

When I first started out, my Radio was the main method to listen to music replays, as that was immediately available and in use regular within the home.

I developed an interest in Buying Vinyl LP Albums as a Teenager, along with friends, CD and Vinyl LP's were contending, this was the golden era, I would imagine for the commercial side of HiFi, two bites of the Cherry for Album Sales and transitions from one Source Material to another and the sales of equipment needed.

Music Replays were much enjoyed and the equipment used to achieve this was not too overbearing as a discussion.

Live music was my main interest, the LP Collection and replays were more rainy day activities.

Reading HiFi Media was for Older Types, Concerns for SQ were not debated, the use of the Vinyl or CD was to mainly familiarise oneself with the new material being produced by Artists and being ready for upcoming concerts. 

As the time passed and I became more homely minded, a interest in HiFi System Building developed and has been a mainstay interest. There are influences in abundance when this line of interest develops, the whole of the arena is all about the equipment, Sales Men, Media, Enthusiasts forget the music and beat the drum about the equipment and exchanges, upgrades, modifications and the resulting assessments of the SQ. 

Everybody has an opinion, and everyone has unique sensitivities that will help them determine what they like, when assessing equipment, resulting in an endless amount of descriptions on offer.

With Music it is a little different, there is an impact, a knee jerk emotional experience, something hits home, an indelible encounter has happened, to the point for some, in the minds eye they aspire to be the Performer/Musician.

Then there are the lesser types who are motivationally influenced and actually attain their aspiration to become a Performer / Musician. 

I am totally aware of how being present at a live performance and actively participant in the celebrations, is quite different to being a lone listener in a room experiencing a Music being replayed through equipment.

The former has proved best for uplifting my spirits and creating indelible memories, where musical encounters are concerned. .

Hello  

You have just entered a topic of much debate.  

IN MY Opinion 

Cabling…power cords - interconnects - speaker will make things sound different. whether you like the change or not is up to the individual.

Best to get great components that work well together and then tryout a few products to see if they’ll enhance your sound.

Remember it’s a hobby and have fun…the used market is a great way to experiment.  Many times I have bought and sold items and usually recoup my investment.

Enjoy Tony

I started with a cardboard record player. When I got a little older, my mom let me play records on her console stereo. The sound was better, especially the bass. Next step was a Dynamo ST70/PAS 3x powering Utah 12" speakers. Better. Then I swapped out the lamp cord for Monster cables. There was an undeniable improvement in sound quality, which was even more noticable when I upgraded to some B&O speakers.

I had to leave the Monster cables at home when I went to college, and went back to zip cables. That only lasted a few weeks, and despite being a broke college student found the money to buy another set of Monster cables. The Monster cables sounded better, and I was rewarded by my cable upgrade and was content. There was no question that the Monster cables performed better in my modest system.

Flash forward to today. I have a small collection of decent cables, and can afford to buy whatever I want. I enjoy monkeying around with speaker cables and interconnects, and there are differences, but they are subtle (not big differences like the zip cord/Monster cable difference). What I seek today is lack of listening fatigue and easier involvement in the music. Sound "quality" stays about the same: if I listen just for a few minutes I can’t discern much of a difference, but after a few hours it is easy to tell which cables work better in my system.

Like you, I'm a flutist with academic degrees in music - and I have a high-end audio system. I'm the last one to claim that my ears are better than anyone else's ears. In fact, I have two "golden ears" people whose opinions I highly value when deciding on equipment, and neither of them knows anything about music. I think it's about how closely you listen, and how you evaluate what you hear. 

Exflute,

I’m a classical professional expiano player and believe I have pretty good ears too.
I understand you feel recorded music can never equal live music and I agree with that. But, it can come closer than what I believe you think. The better your system, the closer it gets. I’m not so sure your system is at the point where you can effectively evaluate that closeness.

I have a WONDERFUL, nearly cable-free sound system - the only cable it has is the power cord to the wall outlet - no other cords needed; it solves everyone’s cable dilemma perfectly: a Bose Table-Top Radio with Built-In CD Player (it does have a short wire antenna to pick up local FM and AM radio stations).

Nothing could better help us avoid having to deal with interconnect cables in an audiophile system than what I describe here. Simplicity is THE way to go!

it solves everyone’s cable dilemma perfectly: a Bose Table-Top Radio with Built-In CD Player (it does have a short wire antenna to pick up local FM and AM radio stations). Nothing could better help us avoid having to deal with interconnect cables in an audiophile system than what I describe here. Simplicity is THE way to go!

Right on! I own a bicycle instead of a car so I don’t have to deal with pumping all that gas. Sure it might suck a little when it rains, snows, is 10 degrees outside, or when my destination is 100+ miles away and requires me to bring luggage. But it’s so worth it to not have to pump any gas. Yeesh.

I recently discovered a Active Speaker Design is to have a Streamer / DAC built into the Cabinet as well, so again only a Power Cord will be required.

Until the warranty is over, this is when the upgrade surgery will commence.   

I find that I listen to recordings involving an instrument I have direct experience with (in this case, clarinet) rather differently.  Generally I find myself listening more "technically" and less emotively.

@rodman99999

SO MANY variables

and: life’s SO SHORT!

Happy listening!

+10, best insight yet. Could not agree more. 👍

Gotta say, you folks are a Hoot!  Almost as fun as watching cartoons on Saturday mornings was back when I was a wee lad, and reptiles still ruled the skies. To shamelessly paraphrase: "Cry 'Cables!', and let slip the dogs of war."

In any event, Happy Holiday weekend to all and sundry (for whom it applies)!

Shunyata Research is the brainchild of Caelin Gabriel, who's efforts to improve his own music listening experience launched the science and research based company in 1997. From humble beginnings, Shunyata Research has grown into an internationally acclaimed company which designs and manufactures high performance electrical and cabling systems for recording, film, medical, surgical and consumer audio-visual systems world-wide. Shunyata Research's 18,000 square foot manufacturing and design facility is based just outside Seattle, in Washington State.

Oh, what a surprise! (Ha, Ha.)

@khughes: I think the 2022 Memorial Day Holiday itself falls on mondry this year, rather than on sundry, as you said above. In any event, I hope you enjoy yours and manage to get through the long weekend without getting all tangled up in a rat’s nest of cables!

Erectal: Memorial Day falls always on a Mondry 😂😂. Every single year