Better story teller than Edmund Fitzgerald?


There was a thread on A'gon about the most perfect song.  We had reasons for picking various, but for me it was Gordong Lightfoot's Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Perhaps it featured an aspect of song writing that no one else much cared for:  A deep and detailed story in the song.

So I ask you, A'goners, what songs are as good or better at telling a story of a historical event? 

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“Down To The Well” - Kevin Gordon with Lucinda Williams 

“Pineola” - Lucinda Williams (Live version preferably)

”You Don’t Mess Around With Jim” - Jim Croce

 

Two performers come to mind:

- James Keelaghan (with Oscar Lopez)/ Compadres  album,  playing a great rendition of “Cold Missouri Waters” and “Red River Rising”;

- Laura Smith/ Everything is Moving album, playing “Lonely Waterloo” and “Magdalene Mc Gillivray”

I had the good fortune to see Laura Smith, accompanied by a piano, give a very moving performance of her album at a little church NE of Wolfville Nova Scotia, not long before she passed away (too soon).

Harry Chapin: Cats in the Cradle or Taxi...

Cat Stevens: Most of what he did including: Boy with the moon and stars

Jim Croce: Photographs and memories, Time in a bottle, Operator, Bad Bad Leroy Brown

Bruce most songs but I will take: The River

Billy Joel: Piano Man, Allentown

Beatles: Rocky Racoon

of course GORDON LIGHTFOOT!

 

I don't know if there is a better song than "the Wreck......", but there are other good ones.

"Roads to Moscow" Al Stewart

"Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts" Bob Dylan

"Hurricane" Bob Dylan

"American Pie" Don McLean

"Jack and Diane" John Mellencamp

"Cut Across Shorty" Rod Stewart

 

Here's another vote for James McMurtry. Does Choctaw Bingo qualify as a historical event? Either way, it's a hell of a story.

Early Lucinda Williams. "Pineola" is a masterpiece of storytelling..

Finally, Tom T. Hall. "The Story Songs" is damn near miraculous start to finish.

P.S.  As a Michigander, I have visited many of the shipwreck sites on the Great Lakes.  Lakes that can conjure up the wrath of our oceans when the weather turns cold.  So Gordon Lightfoot's Edmund Fitzgerald hits close to home. 

But I still have to vote for Harry.

Another vote for Harry Chapin’s Greatest Stories Live. Listening to this as I type. Not only is it full of musical stories of all sorts, the recording quality is excellent, especially for a live recording. You have to love this double LP.

Stan Rogers - Both the Mary Ellen Carter and The Last Watch on the Midland are excellent story telling songs.  

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Another great song by Knopfler is Sailing to Philadelphia about Mason and Dixon drawing the “line”. 

Mark Knopfler… many of his songs about historical and biographical events. A good example is 5:15 AM from Shangri La album about the 1967 one armed bandit murder.  Great lyrics, story telling and nice recordings in many of his songs.  He’s obviously a huge history buff. 

"Frankie And Johnny" traditional

"Stagger Lee" traditional

"King Of California" Dave Alvin

"Tangled Up In Blue" Bob Dylan

"Powderfinger" Neil Young

 

hotel California ..... I am convinced that this is exactly how it happened ..

Since "Roads To Moscow" has been mentioned, I'll go with "Josephine Baker" by Al Stewart.

I have walked past the Mariner's Church in downtown Detroit (referred to in the song as the "Maratime Sailors' Cathedral") and I can verify that is an emotional experience, particularly if a similar freighter happens to be gliding by on the Detroit River.  

Wow! This list hits many of the artists near and dear to me. I got on the board of our local coffee house years ago just to get my mitts on their tapes. Man do I have a collection. This list could never be complete without the late great STAN ROGERS!! There is no such thing as a bad Stan Rogers song. If anyone wants to buy just one Stan album, make it "Between the Breaks.... Live. It is great. Buy it!!! Joe

Al Stewart - Roads To Moscow

The Waterboys - Red Army Blues

 

certainly plenty of Dylan

and yes Gord's  Fitz is an amazing tune and story

I got nothing against Gordon Lightfoot, but if “historical events” is what we’re talking about, I don’t see how we could skip the obvious: Bob Dylan.
The depth, subtext, humor, wit and complexity of his “historical events songs” blows any puffed up sea shanty out of ol’ Gitche Gumee.

- A tragic “boat” tale, the Hudson Belle, hired by a Harlem social club for an event, leading to unnecessary violence and injury: “Talkin’ Bear Picnic Massacre Blues”
- The kidnapping, torture and murder of Emmet Till: “The Death of Emmett Till”
- The mobilization of 30,000 US troops for a domestic disturbance (most in US history), the Ole Miss riot of ‘62: “Oxford Town”
- The death of Davey Moore: “Who Killed Davey Moore”
- The assassination of Medgar Evers: “Only a Pawn in Their Game”
- The murder of Hattie Carroll: “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll”
- The murder of Joey Gallo: “Joey”
- The imprisonment of Ruben Carter: “Hurricane”
 

Rush - "Manhattan Project" and "Countdown" tell the stories of the development of the atomic bomb and the launch of the first space shuttle, respectively.

I think for the purpose of this discussion fictional stories are fine as well.

They have to have a beginning, middle and end though.  So Cats in the Cradle and Ode to Billy Joe certainly qualify.  Songs which are descriptive without a time element though are different.

Interesting how far back in time we have to go for these songs, and how many are western themed.

Lastly, I can't think of any solid jazz songs that qualify.

Harry Chapin "Greatest Stories Live"  Is an album full of well sung stories.

"A Better Place to Be" is a bit schmaltzy but I have to admit I smile every time I listen to it.

”El Paso” by Marty Robbins & “No Reply” by the Beatles.  Robbins comes close to Lightfoot’s story telling, and the Beatles are a good bit further behind, at least on this song of theirs.

"Four Rode By", a ballad of rampage by "three McLean boys and that wild Alex Haire," Ian & Sylvia.

Kingston Trio, remember them? Several polished, musical, and meaningful songs to compete with any.

'Ballad of Old John Webb' - an accused counterfeiter, famed for his 10 pound notes, escapes. "Billy (the 10 pound notes, get it?) broke locks and Billy broke bolts and Billy broke all that he came nigh." Historically, it seems he was released for lack of evidence, but escape from the authorities is more fun. One of their best, and yet remains obscure; album 'String Along'.

'Merry minuet' - an anti cold-war song listing the unintended consequences,  "dedicated to John Foster Dulles," cold-warrior extraordinaire. Best version on 'From the Hungry i.' 

Hollis Brown... I love the Neville Brothers version and Springsteen's Highway Patrolman

It's pretty hard to listen to Edmund Fitzgerald without getting emotional.  We like to camp in the Great Lakes area and recently spent some time in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.  Yes, we camped in Christmas, Michigan.  After visiting the area, and taking in museums, the song got much more up close and personal to us.  We imagined what it was like for the families hearing the song for the first time.

Great topic, and excellent posts on this thread.

Well done, guys.

While the thread is supposedly about retelling of actual historical events, a lot of the fictional storytellers mentioned above, such as James McMurtry (son of novelist Larry McMurtry) are fantastic.  His stories are funny and touching.  I would add to this list of fictional storytellers Greg Brown.  His "Poet Games" album has some terrific lyrics, particularly the title track and a track called "Brand New '64 Dodge" (a story about childhood innocence just before the assassination of President Kennedy).   

I would include Rush' Camera Eye.

(Was Neil's writing better that arranging or performing ... I vacillate.  I miss him. That's fo sho ...)

“Paradise by the Dashboard Lights” by the late Mr. M. Loaf.  Very clever lyrics many of us can relate to 😁

Grateful Dead- Casey Jones

Warren Zevon - Boom Boom Mancini

Neil Young - Cortez the Killer

Mrs. McGrath, an Irish folk song set during the Peninsular War of the early 19th century. The song tells the story of a woman whose son enters the British Army and returns seven years later having lost his legs to a cannonball while fighting against Napoleon presumably at the Battle of Fuentes de Oñoro (fought between 3 and 5 May 1811). The general theme of the song is one of opposition to war.

I especially enjoy Springsteen's version because with his voice and the overall tone he imparts on the song is quite moving.

James McMurtry has many great stories inside of many good songs. One that comes to mind tonight is “Carlos and Ruby“, wow.

....and thankful that we don’t have to resort to ’rope’ theze daze.....😏👍

"....a mania that seemed like Brockett was going to jump right off the grooves and into a straitjacket." seems 'bout right...*L* 

....*sigh*....and nobody has yet to mention that great late night classic that the dj could not only hit the toilet but pop outside for some...'fresh aire'... ;)

Ragged?  Yes.  But one of those late '60s' things that disappeared into the fog 'n mist that invades the brain and pops up...

...and makes you smile...

 

Brownsville Girl by Bob Dylan. An epic road trip ballad.

"The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter is that his name wasn't Henry Porter."

It has a massive chorus, blaring, textured saxophones, wailing trumpets and detailed, reflective, storytelling lyrics. 

"There was a movie I seen one time -- I think I sat through it twice. I don't remember who I was, or where I was bound. All I remember about it was it starred Gregory Peck, he wore a gun and he was shot in the back; seems like a long time ago, long before the stars were torn down."

You can almost feel that hot, Painted Desert air blowing across your face through the open car windows as you stare across the hood into the sunset and realize that your life has been sort of like a movie.

Last post of the evening. For those who have read Irving Stone’s Lust for Life or better yet “Letters to Theo “ , Don Maclean’s ”Starry Starry Night” is a real tear jerker.  IMHO, may equal the OP’s standard. 

Last post of the evening. For those who have read Irving Stone’s Lust for Life or better yet “Letters to Theo “ , Don Maclean’s “Starry Starry  Night” is a real tear jerker. 

As a fan of Civil War History, I greatly appreciate bdp24’s songs of the  South by Randy Newman. Will have to check them out

Generally not a fan of post-Gabriel Genesis, but Driving the Last Spike is another that comes to mind 

OK - so here is a quick note.  I happen to be a resident of Ohio when the Kent State incident occurred - with the Ohio National Guard. Still remember the bullet holes from the REAL bullets being used in that era. Rubber bullets were not issued.  This happened during my Wrestling workouts.  Secondly, I was a wiper/steward/chef help with my Merchant Marines Card issued to work on the  Great lakes specifically Lake Erie, Cleveland Boy.  I was slated to board the Ore Boat  my number was available - BUT played college soccer and had to go back to school.  The truth be told thought the boat could get a last run before the storms - need I say more.