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Best Integrated that you've heard under $5k
It's a crowded market in the under $5k arena...
Let's hear which integrated amp surprised you and maybe even had you shaking your head in disbelief.
Watch the first response be, 'no $5k integrated is that good' blah blah blah. You know how it is, lot of old fogeys on here that are done censoring themselves and take it out on the thread.
Also, if I've missed the cutoff and there's just this $6k or $7k amp that is worth consideration, feel free to mention.
Let's hear which integrated amp surprised you and maybe even had you shaking your head in disbelief.
Watch the first response be, 'no $5k integrated is that good' blah blah blah. You know how it is, lot of old fogeys on here that are done censoring themselves and take it out on the thread.
Also, if I've missed the cutoff and there's just this $6k or $7k amp that is worth consideration, feel free to mention.
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It all depends on your speakers. I have the Decware SE34I.5 and it is the best integrated I have ever heard. That said, it is 6 watts/channel so it requires highly efficient speakers. I have it hooked to some Altec Lansing A7-500's and it is the most musical, best sounding combination I have ever heard. Hook the Decware up to some Wilson speakers or Maggies that are also very nice and it will sound anemic and terrible. Good luck, but in my opinion its all about the matching. Now if you were to throw out some 82 db sensitivity speakers, that's a totally different animal. The Decware with the Altec's is like riding in a beautiful luxury sedan. Something with a 82 db sensitivity is more like a high end sports car and is going to need some horses (watts/power). |
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Leben, Line Magnetic, VTL, Aesthetix Mimas, Belles, Toolshed, the Aesthetix w card based Jim White phono and or DAC is stellar Finesse sonics w sledgehammer drive IF needed. but i have heard all the above in excellent systems….vs. reading about them…. heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend…you get the ole REO Speedwagon lyric….. |
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The only one I have heard, thus the absolute best without question: my Cayin A88T (I got version 1 for 16 ohm taps). Just biased (internal adjusters) by VAS. Version 2 and 3 omit the16 ohm tap and add external bias control. This review is why I took a chance, darn glad I did! https://6moons.com/audioreviews/cayin/a88t.html I prefer KT88’s to optional 6550’s, I prefer ultra-linear mode (45 wpc) rather than it’s optional triode mode (22wpc) which can be remotely toggled, thus easy to compare. You don’t hear more volume when you switch, just a slight difference is sound characteristic. Awesome build quality and sound. Happily it sounds like my 1958 Vintage Fisher 80Z tube monos, but with the modern features of an integrated and remote. If I didn’t need 16 ohm, I would definitely want to hear a Raven with the built in optional crossover for a sub. |
I should have added the CODA CSiB integrated that I sold and bought the CODA separates. The CSiB is an excellent sounding piece. The KRELL K-300i I linked above is smoother (Class A first 90 watts) and is being compared favorably to $13450 Boulder and $40K D’Agastino on Stereophile. I put mine up for sale last week to raise some cash for another upgrade and then came to my senses. I removed the ad. |
Tubes, Quicksilver Integrated, Raven Audio Blackhawk, Pathos Logos MKII and Pathos Classic Re-Mix In Pol. (Pathos are Hybrid) SS, Simaudio 204I and 340i, Belles Aria, AVA DVA M225's (AMAZING). Had an NAD M10 that was fun also. Now spend a bit more $6500 to $7500 (now) the Audio Hungary Qualiton X200. |
I really like Simaudio gear also. They are pretty expensive and I would have a hard time paying their MSRP, but I was able to pick up a 600i for well under your budget. I've compared it to integrateds from Heed, ARC, Vincent, and Peachtree and it's better than any of them. I also have a Simaudio headphone amp and it's the best I've heard after owning a number of different headphone amps. There's always something better, and "better" is always a matter of taste (unless you're one of those ASR guys), but if you can find a pre-owned Simaudio integrated in your price range I think most people would find it very enjoyable. |
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The PS Audio Strata has been a great integrated amp. I hear the differences in any of my cables, sources and speakers. The quality of the sound, build and features along with the unassuming size makes it a high value piece. It drives my Proac 3.8’s and JM Reynaud’s with ease. Wonderful piece at $3K. |
Hooserinohio has it right! There is no “best integarated” amp at any price! Without matching the specific amp to specific speakers. You must match the impedence as well as the efficiency of the speakers to the amp, among many other factors. If you get the right match then there are many great integrated amps! Hegel integrateds are “best” with Harbeths, while Line Magnetiics may be best with Proacs or Klipsch Heritage speakers, etc., etc. Select your speakers and then find your amp to match, or vice versa! |
ditusa said:Quicksilver integrated. http://quicksilveraudio.com/products/integrated-amplifier/ __________________________________________ +1. Easily drive Focal Aria 906s, rated at 89.5 dB sensitivity, to loud enough volume. Said to be engineered to work each tube at moderate effort for longer life. Rock-solid construction. |
No idea if you want tubes or SS? No idea if your speakers are rated 83 or 95 Sensitivity. But why not throw out the best options: Lejonklou Boazu Integrated. 40wpc. $4,400 new. Swedish- S.S. Blackest background you've ever heard. Pass Labs INT25 25+wpc. Used $5,500 or so.S.S. but tube like sound. Audio Research I-50 $5,000. 50 wpc.New. Tube. Coming out soon. Good luck!! |
Kind of a hard price point for me. At dealers and shows I often hear more expensive or way cheaper integrateds. One that stood out is Bryston B135 cubed. I just saw one on hifishark.com for $7500. Maybe you can find a cheaper one. For cheaper my favorite is the Schiit Ragnarok 2 I own right now. It sounds way better than I thought and is a great buy in the $2k - $3k range. I am curious about the Lejonklou that someone mentioned above. Maybe next time I upgrade (if that happens). |
The term "integrated" traditionally has been short for "integrated amplifier". However, in the world of digital streaming systems, the part that really matter to SQ and functionality isn't so much the power amp but the pre-amp, along with the DAC. Therefore, it may make sense to focus the integration farther up the chain. For about $5K or less, there are many good products that integrate streaming, D-A conversion, and pre-amp capabilities (volume control and source-switching). The Cambridge Audio Edge NQ, for example. Others include the NAD Masters M33, Matrix Audio Element series, iFi Pro iDSD, and Bryston BDA 3.14. You'll need to pair one of these with a good power amp, but the resulting total cost (and box-count) could wind up in about the same territory as you'd get with an integrated amp and source (e.g. turntable, CD player, or dedicated streamer). At some point (say, the next 5-10 years) the integrated amp as we know it may be going the way of the stereo receiver. If you're already marrying source selection and volume control to your streamer/DAC, it is redundant to integrate these functions with the power amp as well. Separating the power amp then creates opportunities for mono-block or multi-channel configurations, along with the smaller footprint of a modern power amp like the Benchmark AHB2. Or use active speakers, for no visible amplifier footprint at all. Of course, none of the above applies if you are into vinyl, tubes, and low-wattage SET amps. |
The Sugden A21se @ $3250 is quite a bargain. Also, my Marantz pm14s1 @ $3000....both the best I’ve ever owned. Also the Unison Research unico primo and the Naim Nait 5si...Next, I'm going to try a Van Alstine SET 120 control amplifier, just because, only $1199. It should let the source components speak for themselves, as it has only a passive preamp, volume control and input selector. You are hearing only the amp, and from what I’ve read, it’s a great sounding amp. 60 watts @ 8 ohms, 120 into 4....first 10 watts biased class A. Communication with Frank came to a halt when I inquired about a discount, lol. |