Audio Cables: All the Same?

@sstraus 

You can't be serious, and then you posted the exact same ridiculous comment on two different threads. 

Good idea sstraus, why don’t you do that and let us know what you find.

I've been out of the audio market 50 years, and my hearing isn't what it used to be, but I can see my 1977 vintage speaker foam surrounds are blown out, not worth repairing [again].  So while shopping speakers, wondering if I should change out the lamp cord for 'better cables.'  

What happened to measuring the frequency response curve, capacitance, inductance, resistance, and shielding of cables?  

So, I would like to weigh in on this conundrum. 1st off I was tired of reading reviews knowing that people who knew nothing of this, like me gladly weighed in with their opinion knowing nothing of what they speak, they just proved how stupid they were and muddied the truth to all of this.  I however, recently had a unique opportunity to demo in my home, on my system, with my music, the entire Nordost Supreme line, Vahalla 2 – Odin 1 – Odin 2,  power cords, interconnects, and speaker cables, and yes even had the opportunity to listen to Odin Golds the entire Gold line.  Full disclosure I was one of those that believed cables made zero difference and was a total waste of money.

I purchased an entire new system everything amps, pre-amps, speakers, cables, conditioners, blah blah blah.  I then entered the whole conundrum myself, not wanting to have a weak link to my system, I was talked into Nordost Red Dawn cables, again power cables, interconnects, and speaker cables, along with a Nordost q- base iii, this Red Dawn investment was approximately $12,000.00. In the end other than knowing I had much superior cables from the original OEM, I gained nothing out of these cables in terms of sound improvement. The dealer and manufacture gladly took my $12K, and in return I gained nothing.

I recently had a unique opportunity to demo the entire Nordost Supreme line from Vahalla 2 to Odin 1 to Odin 2 both power - interconnects, speaker cables. Once I started this laborious process, switching to Vahalla 2 power cords made an eye-opening experience I would say a 30%-40% overall sound improvement at every level possible,  switching  again from Vahalla 2 to Odin 1, 10% gain noticeable but not near as large of a gain, switching again from Odin 1 to Odin 2 again maybe a 5% - 10% gain over the Odin 1cables.

So, what did I learn from it, power cables, is the ($$$) they can and will make a largest difference, of course all of this depends on the manufacture and their cables… interconnect cables-  noticeable but  very minimal 5%-10% at most.

Here is the rub, I only had demo cables from Nordost Vahalla 2 - Odin 1 - Odin 2. I too wonder with all these other manufactures claiming the claims you hear, or read in the adds or reviews, would I experience the same results, more than likely the truthful answer is (I Don’t Know). The only way to know for sure is to demo them yourself on your system, in your home, with your music source you are familiar with. Many dealers have these programs. Doing so in an audio store is a loser guarantee the amps – pre-amps – digital source, or vinyl, all of what you may have in your home the equipment will be different, the speakers different, the room is totally designed for reflections and refractions, it will sound no-where near what most of us have at home.

So, in the end my power cables were $12,500 per and Interconnect were $16,700 per, I have 4 power cables and 2 sets of interconnects. In the end is it worth $83,000 the truth is NO; it does not justify what these cable companies charge us for premium Supreme cables. I ended up not using any of the Supreme line speaker cables, which start at $29,999.00  and go up, it just filtered too much of what my ears liked. Can you depending on what you use, gain a sound you will never be able to acquire without cables, the answer is yes. It was worth it to me to make this investment, as the tonality gain at ever level was amazing, was it worth $83K the long and short answer is the gain does not justify the value…….the Odin 1 cables purchased were the 3^rd least expensive of their supreme line and the prices to Odin 2 or Odin Golds, you will need a very large bank account with a lot of 00000 at the end of it.

I hope this helps, I know there are many of you like my friends and I who just want the truth, regardless of its outcome…. I wish people who do not know would just shut up with their opinions, but that will never happen. For those of you out there who want to tell me how stupid I am for spending $83,000 save your comments, I don’t care what you think.

I can afford any cable I want. However, I prefer well designed cables that sound great at reasonable prices. I’ve been messing about in audio since my first good sounding system in 1970 or so (KLH Model 20?), and discovered "better" cables when I tried a very early pair of twisted AQ cables maybe 35 years ago. Heard a serious improvement in my then Vandersteen 1B/Adcom system. I recently needed longer cables for my (Vastly mo bettah) rig and noticed adds for an improved version of Kimber 8PR cables to replace a pair of AQ Type 8 and Morrow SP4s, both of which sounded great. AQ Rocket 33s are also part of my "cable museum." The Kimbers sound amazingly good or I should say they don’t "sound" like anything. Just the way I like it. 500 bucks? Oh yeah...10 AWG per input leg makes them a great choice for longer runs.

Ask Milhorn if cable makes a difference? He will give you the accurate answers.

My friend used to tell me. Those who believe cable makes difference are the one who can afford it. Those who does not are the one who can’t afford it.

If this was a "Car Guy" forum on the subject of "Intake and Exhaust" (first started in 1955):

FNDRSKURTS:: "I just took off the cast iron manifold and 2bbl Holley off the old small block and replaced them with an RPM Air Gap and 650 CFM AVSII.  I can FEEL the difference in the seat of my pants!"

PLDMETL: "I finally pulled the 1" single exhaust off the old '57 and installed custom headers, dual 2" exhaust and free flow mufflers.  Pulls much stronger throughout,  and sounds freakin' amazing!!

BLEWBYYOU:  You guys must be breathing in a little too much 93 octane.  EVERYBODY knows that the CFM (cubic feet per minute) of air moving through an engine is determined by the displacement of the engine at a given RPM.  All that fancy (AND expensive) ginger bread you bolt to those motors may change the thickness of your wallet, but have NOTHING to do with the performance of an internal combustion engine.  FDNRSHURTS, what you're "feeling in the seat of your pants" is probably all that BS looking for an escape route.  PDLMETL:  I get it -- Loud AND Obnoxious.  Looks like your inner 9-year-old wants to come out and play.  

Short of a Lotto win....

...I'll stick with and run with my trash.

It's practical, in decent shape, and paid for.

@waytoomuchstuff ....Ah, 'The Future'...Live it or live with it.... ;)

Mho is the 'Cable Conundrum' will haunt the 'philes until some means of inter/intra direct neural 'enhancement' can be inserted into ones' cranium with variables that will make us all more entrenched and argumentative as to what works 'good/better/best' into the 'next best thing' comes along.....

Btw.....how many 'mic drops' does it take to ruin the mic?  And from how high above the floor?  Does the mfr. matter?  Should mics be made to withstand impacts? 

If I replaced all the cables in my midst, I'd have spent more on them than everything I own to use them with.

Would it make a difference?  Perhaps....

If not, I'd feel I was on a fools' errand that wouldn't be very satisfying, considering that expenditure was a waste, better spent on new/used that would have.

If it did, see above; left with deciding to deal with feeling I'd been better off upgrading everything else, and dumping the lot.....

...end up making minimalism look like overkill.....

Ignorance isn't necessarily bliss, but selection of what you've in mind v. listening for the flaws over just enjoyment of 'where you're at' can be it's own destination....

...however transient it may be....

What: no mic-drop, CHILD?

 

                      (snort of derision)

I don't... I don't understand.  I'm not defending nor nay-saying.

AudioGon Forum in the Year 2074:

Audiophile 1: "Remember 'back in the day' when audiophiles used to argue over the sonic improvements of high end cables?"

Audiophile 2: "Yeah, cool.....What's a cable?"

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This topic has been beaten to death.

Then why are there so many replies? Clearly, this is not resolved for many people. You're jumping in, too, so you must feel some stake in it, even if just to denounce t he topic. Remaining silent would be the ultimate dismissal. And yet...here you are.

@coralkong 

+2

@coralkong 

+1

@macg19 +2.

This topic has been beaten to death.

I don't care what anyone else thinks, and I don't feel the need to try to sway anyone's opinion one way or the other. Certainly not enough to argue about it.

This is an anecdotal story re: wire, not cable, but close enough IMHO. My 'aha' moment re: wire was when I was upgrading an old Dynaco PAS 3 preamp. I had replaced all caps, resistors, power supply, volume pot and it was working fine. I had some leftover wire, so I figured while I was at it, swap out the old wire. I forget the manufacturer of the new stuff, maybe Kimber cable. It was about 20-22 gauge. Replaced the wire, turned it on, and it was awful - very muddy. So I put a few CDs on and left it over dinner. Came back and WOW. All clear from top to bottom. YMMV of course, Have I gone out and spent a fortune on cables? No, but I am careful what I buy. For me, now - Blue Jean Cables. Good price, good sound, great service.

                 FFFFFUUUUUUUU!!!!!

                What: no mic-drop, CHILD?

                      (snort of derision)

         Inescapable FACT: No one understands exactly how electricity works.     

                         That’s why there’s so much Electrical THEORY.     

        The number of Wiki-Scientists on these pages, attempting to win the IG-Nobel Prize in Pseudo-Physics, is always amusing.             

       Whenever some highly educated person actually does discover exactly how electricity functions, they’ll be lauded by the scientific community, will have solved some of the disparities between Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, receive a Nobel and we’ll hear about it.     

      Newton’s THEORIES were largely superseded by Einstein and Bohr's.   Then came Feynman’s.       For now; none of you can absolutely prove your statements (theories), regarding electricity, FUSES, wires, or anything else, as regards our systems.    

             The following articles, read in sequence, illustrate my point:

 https://www.steamnews.org/articles/math/albert-einstein-he-who-dared-to-challenge-newtons-physics

              then:

 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Forces/qed.html#:~:text=Quantum%20 electrodynamics%2C%20co....               

               and: 

https://bigthink.com/hard-science/an-updated-feynman-experiment-could-heal-the-rift-between-quantum-mechanics-and-general-relativity/

       OF COURSE: the various  popes and dopes, that make up the Church of Denin'tology, won't bother to pursue any truths regarding the above.

            Most simple choose to remain willfully ignorant and uninformed.*

       *ie: Won't bother studying anything above, let alone- to their conclusion.

                                 Typical Dunning-Kruger symptoms.

                                             Happy listening!

     Feynman was and will remain, my favorite lecturer (yeah: I'm that old).

     He mentioned often (and: I took to heart) his favorite Rule of Life: "Never stop learning!"

     For all his genius, he never grew overly confident in his beliefs.    The perfect obverse to the Dunning-Kruger sufferer.

     ie:  “I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing.  I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong.”

     and: “I have approximate answers, and possible beliefs, and different degrees of certainty about different things, but I’m not absolutely sure of anything.”

     Tesla is probably my favorite innovator, who (despite the incessant, projectile vomit, from his day's naysayers), took the World, kicking and screaming, into the 20th century, with his inventions.

                                                  His thoughts: 

     “Anti-social behavior is a trait of intelligence in a world full of conformists.”

     “All that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combatted, suppressed, only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle.”

@dwcda ​: I’m with you! After decades in this hobby - and wasting money - wire, whether interconnects or speaker wire - has no perceptible affect upon sound quality. A statement that will condemn me to be burnt at the stake by the horde of wire believers!

People can do what they want with their money, but the ongoing debates over cable topology are absurd. While longer distances do indeed cost more, the reality is that a basic cable build under $100 is typically sufficient for most needs. Unless you're operating something as demanding as a dragline in a mine, there's no need for extravagant spending on cables. The hype surrounding high-priced cables is simply ridiculous. Investing more than necessary in cables is a waste of resources.

In audio we have to deal with all the laws of electricity, and impedance can also come into play.  But there are varying degrees of people arguing about cables making a difference.  Usually, it's a comparison of materials.  For instance, individuals claiming their pure silver cables make their system sound "better" than with copper cables.  There is just one problem with this scenario, and it's the commonality that nowhere else in the entire system is this a factor.  All the traces of the printed circuit boards within their equipment are copper traces.  The jacks are usually not silver plated, and are often nickel or gold plated.  After the interconnects, the internals of their speaker cabinets don't tend to have silver wiring nor jacks, and the voice-coils of the speakers are also not silver.  So applying silver interconnects to a system without silver elsewhere might change the sound, and it may even be in a positive way for your hearing, but assuming that it will improve things simply based on material make-up is nonsensical.
Now, we have people applying this to LAN cables, which is much more dependent on impedance.  Audioquest simply uses a silver-plated copper variety of CAT7 Ethernet cable.  But they are terminated with gold-plated nickel conductors.  While silver is considered "faster" than copper, copper is faster than gold because it is more conductive, how do you translate the overall system being faster if the signal was initially sent from a slower conductor, and even ends on a slower conductor?  Does the fact that an interconnect features silver plating make the signal magically transfer faster elsewhere in the system?  Perhaps, only while it's traveling the length of the interconnect?  And would that miniscule difference in time from point A to point B make an audible difference?
This is why it's so important to just do what you want, and don't worry about what others do, and quite frankly, don't think too much on how you can "help" others because there are so many variables that you'll never really be able to explain why or why not in regards to changes, and the likelihood they will hear what you heard is pretty nil.

Did I mention the conductor make-up of all components in your system?  Some tube amplifier guys who prescribe to point-to-point wiring really get into this: are the leads entering and exiting my foil and film capacitors silver plated copper or tinned copper?  What about the resistors?  The RCA jacks?  Holy crap, what about my fuses?  Should I eliminate the fuses in favor of maximum conductivity?  Do I have a copper or aluminum ground rod outside?  Should I saturate the dirt around my ground rod while listening?  (pssst... what are the innards of your tubes made of?)  FFFFFUUUUUUUU!!!!!

Morrow gives a 60 day return. Try some speaker cables and interconnects. Like them or don’t. In my system, the improvement was monumental but who cares about my system? You care about yours. Return them if they don’t work after 30 days and you’re only out the cost of the postage. Or upgrade like I did because they’re fricking amazing with my components.

Cables make a difference! Actually everything has a sonic impact. Many combinations available too. 

@macg19 

My thoughts exactly.

My patience has worn thin trying to wade through 1,000 word essays where the author pays no attention to typography.

@cleeds 

Hearing is tested using objective standards 

No it isn't. Traditional hearing exams are thresholding tests, and by definition are not objective. 

Yup. Definitely not a cult.

                                                 Religious faith? 

                         WELL: the Cargo Cult's still building runways.

                                          Time for another repost:

Cargo cult science is a pseudoscientific method of research that favors evidence that confirms an assumed hypothesis. In contrast with the scientific method, there is no vigorous effort to disprove or delimit the hypothesis.[1] The term cargo cult science was first used by physicist Richard Feynman during his 1974 commencement address at the California Institute of Technology.[1]

Cargo cults are religious practices that have appeared in many traditional tribal societies in the wake of interaction with technologically advanced cultures.

     Do a bit a research and you'll learn those primitives were limited in their understanding, of what they saw with their eyes, based on their prior experience, education and BIASES.

                                                A rewind:

                 It isn't that the Denyin'tologists are ignorant.

               It's they're knowing* so much, that's WRONG.

                       *heart of the Dunning-Kruger Effect

                                              OR, two:

     The Church of the Naysayer Doctrine (like every other faith-based, religious cult) has as many dopes as it does Popes.   

     Bring up anything resembling SCIENCE/PHYSICS, dated later than the 1800’s and they become apoplectic, not having the formal education to comprehend the concepts, or- possible ramifications.    THAT would be hilarious, were it not so pathetic!        

           Gimme That Old Time Religion, Gimme That Old Time Religion, etc.

        At the very first mention of something as simple as Wave Function (a BASIC tenet of Quantum Mechanics), the Cargo Cult will label you a KOOK.

        But remember: they can only view/understand you, based on their limited experience, education and BIASES.

         They have overlooked the fact that, if not for the hypotheses/theories and experimentation, regarding Quantum Mechanics: a plethora of modern conveniences, medical devices and the gear they so love, would not exist.

          Had scientists, chemists and inventors shared the doctrines of the Cargo Cult (Denyin'tologists), there would be no semiconductors, computer chips, LASERs, or Magnetic Resonance Imaging devices (MRIs).

                                         Solid State amps?

                                     OOPS (back to tubes)!

                                        Your Smart Phone?

                                        FA'GET ABOUT IT!

                                         Your car's GPS?

                                                NOPE!

    Then too: some may be willfully ignorant and just enjoy being contentious.

                        Others: obtuse, uneducated*, misinformed?

      *Typically, from what's been exhibited here: H.S. STEM, if that, would be a safe inference.

      Either way: the result, when the Cult begins it's rhetoric, is a classic demo of the Dunning- Kruger Effect.

                                          But, I digress: 

       Bring up those pesky details, regarding the likes of QED, Dielectric Absorption, Poynting's theorem and possible application/effects, relative to frequency, that our musical signals are carried via photon or wave, outside the conductor and you're a KOOK?

         Again: the Cargo Cult can only understand anyone with an actual background, experience and education in Physics/QED, based on heir own beliefs, (limited) education, experience and biases.                                      

     One anecdote  that some may find interesting: about their walks in the woods and how Richard Feynman's father would encourage him to look beyond the fact that something in nature exists, into why and how.

     It saddened him that while attending college, during a visit home and one of their walks: his dad asked what he was learning in college.

     At that moment, he realized: if he tried to explain what he was learning, there was no way his dad could understand.                               

                            It wasn't an insult or condescension.

                                                Just reality.

                                  Oh well: let 'the cult go build a runway!

                                                        references:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applications_of_quantum_mechanics#:~:text=Examples%20include%20lasers%2C%20electron%20microscopes,systems%2C%20computer%20and%20telecommunication%20devices.

https://www.energy.gov/science/doe-explainsquantum-mechanics#:~:text=Quantum%20mechanics%20led%20to%20the,the%20science%20of%20quantum%20mechanics!

https://uwaterloo.ca/institute-for-quantum-computing/quantum-101/quantum-applications-today

          But: I'm, "religious", because I believe in the SCIENCE, from which all that sprang?

     https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/five-practical-uses-spooky-quantum-mechanics-180953494/

           Einstein got that last one wrong (Quantum Entanglement), BUT- I still wish he'd been alive, when the Hubble Telescope proved, what he considered his, "greatest blunder" (his inability to bring symmetry to his field equation, without lambda)

.https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200507/history.cfm#:~:text=Einstein's%20original%20equations%20had%20been,how%20the%20universe%20will%20end.                                     

                                            How about that?

Another example of a hypothesis/theory, with no way to EXPERIMENT/MEASURE, what you're sure must be there, in some detectable way, or another.

                                               Just for fun:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-times-quantum-physics-blew-our-minds-in-2022/

                                            Happy listening!

Cables are a belief system, like many others in our lives. Some people believe that a $5,000 cable makes a significant enough difference to pay the money, others don’t. How is a newcomer to this hobby to judge for themself whether a cable is worth the money? In my case I purchased audio equipment first before considering cables or other tweaks. Initially I purchased good quality, well made Mogami power, interconnect & speaker cables. When I upgraded my hardware the dealer said I should consider getting better cables. He sent some mid-range (Super) Transparent cables to try. I tried them & could hear no difference. I listened to the Transparent cables for a week & then switched back to Mogami. If there was a difference I couldn’t hear it. Later my dealer sent some AQ Dragon HC power cables for my amps. Again, no improvement over the Mogami.

- it is not necessarily cost free to test cables whether they’re on loan or not. In my case I had to ship them back & the Dragons are >$5,000 Cdn and shipping and insurance for that max insurable value is about $350. Same for the Transparents when I shipped them back. And if you don’t insure them & they get lost, now you’re on the hook for thousands of $$ of cables you don’t have.

- when I first put the Transparent cables on I definitely thought that it sounded better. After a week when I swapped back there was no difference. If I thought that there was I would have done some blind testing to see if I was actually hearing a difference or just kidding myself. But the key point is that initially  I believed that they were better. Had I  stopped there, I'd never know that they weren't

- when I got the Dragons I did do some blind testing & neither the Mogami nor the Dragon were preferred.

- I’ve been told that the difference of an entire loom of cables is pretty small and should be a last step in finalizing the sound of your system. Something like a 10% improvement. But I was also told that swapping the entire loom isn’t necessary to notice a difference. Just one interconnect should be a definite change. So out of the 10 or so cables (power/interconnect/speaker) they can improve SQ by 10% combined yet some people can hear improvements of 1 out of 10 cables being changed. Potentially a 1% improvement.

- and now I read that cables can enable the listener to hear the music coming from the singer’s mouth or from the chest, or both. Couple that with the supposed ability to detect a change in SQ after 200-500 hours of using a cable... your brain can remember & compare something you just heard with something you listened to days/weeks ago and decide which is better... the necessity of pointing cables in the right direction (amp to speaker), elevating them off of the floor with high priced elevators, crossing other cables perpendicularly... it’s exhausting.

So by all means newcomers to audio equipment should consider cables and test their own belief system. But if you’re going to do it you owe it to yourself & your bank account to at a minimum compare your new "veil lifting" cables with your old cables by switching them blindly. I mean, why wouldn’t you? Other than not wanting to know that the new cables do nothing, why wouldn’t you compare without seeing the cables? Imagine if there was an easy way to test your faith in your preferred religion. Just do this simple test & you no longer have to have blind faith. Why wouldn’t you do it?

I propose the same is true for cables – there is no scientific test for what we hear.

Agreed. None yet. The brain and perception are extraordinarily complicated systems. The notion that engineering is up to the task of measuring all that can be measured as it relates to those psychological and physiological systems is the fallacy most responsible for this debate -- in my view. It is redolent of a physicalist/materialist view of the world which does not pass muster. It is a dogmatism.

The other psychological question I would pose to you @jmeyers is this:

If you hear a difference and it makes a difference to you, why do you find this debate at all interesting? I mean that seriously, because I find it interesting to, and yet I cannot quite understand why. What’s your reason for "settling the score" in a debate you have settled for yourself?

If they’re all the same, why do they sound different?

As someone old enough to remember when Switchcraft was the upgrade, and who was present in the business when Noel Lee arrived, I want to remind everyone here that the principle reason there is a cable business is simply greed. I have collected many cables over the years and still regard them as a very minor factor in system accuracy, which is what I value. 

Interesting.

Other than politics and religion, the sonic value(s) of cables brings out greater passions - on one side or the other.

I can only state my experience(s) (assuming all ears are the same level of sharpness):

1.  I have used a high end Elrod AC cable on amplifiers with jaw dropping effect.  I have also used the same cable on another power amplifier with very little effect.      FACT Not all power cables will produce the same outcome on all power amps.        I speculate that this fact is due to the differences in the amount of gain, feedback loops, shielding, rectification noise etc. within each power amplifier.  Synergy is critical.

@emergingsoul ,

To me

It's a lot like buying puppies, initially when you buy puppies from different breeds they act alike and after they are broken in a little they begin to take on different personalities.

This is very true for cables.

it sounds just like a great stand-up comedy line...!

Bickering is a fine way to promote our hobby.

abnerjack

I am not confused at all, but I’m afraid your memory is failing you. For the purpose of accuracy, here are a couple of posts you made ...

My memory is fine. You sound confused. Please stop. If you feel I have posted improper content please direct your complaint to the moderators. You can use the Contact Us link that is at the bottom of each page, @abnerjack .

It's a lot like buying puppies, initially when you buy puppies from different breeds they act alike and after they are broken in a little they begin to take on different personalities.

This is very true for cables.

One of the primary ways people learn is from the shared experiences of others. To close one’s mind to such learning opportunities is, well, sad.

Amen. The damage the naysayers do here is that they may stop or delay others from even trying different/better cables, and that’s the really sad part and the real value of a post like this — it may spur some people who are on the fence or are less experienced to just try. If they do and don’t hear any difference, well then fine but at least they tried for themselves and if nothing else gained some valuable knowledge/experience along the way. To tell people cables make no difference is discouraging them from even trying for themselves just because you either don’t hear a difference or, worse, just “believe” they can’t make a difference. In this day and age it’s so easy to try cables with direct sellers or in the used market with little/no risk, so why would you discourage people from taking advantage of that and just seeing/hearing for themselves? There are scores of people here who, much like the OP, lived with cheaper/lesser cables for years because they didn’t think they’d make a difference only to find that once they just tried something else how much they were missing out on all those years simply because they held on to a “belief.” I myself was guilty of this and lived with a budget digital cable for years thinking it wouldn’t make much difference on a relative basis, but when I finally tried a better cable it made a significant improvement and I kicked myself for waiting so long to try something else just because of my “belief.” If your experience/belief is that cables are overpriced and/or don’t make a difference that’s perfectly fine, but discouraging others from just trying and finding out for themselves is not fine and why posts like this still have potential value for many out there.

There’s a reason why studios don’t use those overhyped cables. They use $50/3m wires mostly and those indeed will match recorded material if played. No need to fall on explanations as to why those $10000 per pair cables will make difference you don’t really need. If all you need is to match studio quality, then buy same cables.

Mogami Silver cables are certainly the most popular in recording studios. 

abnerjack

Cleeds, do I need to remind you how outspoken you were regarding discussing politics? You were adamant that nothing but audio is to be discussed on these forums. Now you want to discuss someone’s qualifications to discuss religious beliefs?

You sound confused. If you feel I’ve posted anything improper, please direct your complaint to the moderators, @abnerjack.

Do cables make an audible difference?  Why, of course they do.  However, whether or not cables make a difference, like all things high end audio, is solely dependent upon the ears of the individual audiophile, and no one else.  What the hell do I care if someone else believes that cables make no difference and they all sound the same regardless of construction, cost or tech.  That's their business.  My only concern is what effects my own high end audio rig.  Period.  Happy listening.    

What is common about your 2 cabels from a scientific standpoint is the cryo that puts the atoms back in thier lattice atomic structure and allows electrons to flow more efficiently. I have used it cryo in many engine ..gear and other for strength and rigidity.the placebo effect is 20%in medicine.this seems to be more than that.enjoy the music stay healthy

Cleeds you're right ABX tests test the device, the cable in this case. And really that's the point, a scientific test exists to compare 2 cables. Unfortunately sighted comparisons are subject to listener bias and are meaningless. No one denies what they think they hear, they're just pointing out the obvious and inherent bias 

A duplicative story, most will agree there is an incredible lack of interest in this age old topic, it’s been beaten to death. In short who cares, better chance selling a fridge to an Eskimo with no cord.