Three suggestions for providing greater transparency in why certain actions are taken.
When a post is removed from a thread it now reads "Post Removed" followed by the date. I suggest it should include who the poster was and the reason why the post was removed.
A thread could be terminated, but not removed. The moderates should be able to stop any new posts from being added to a thread, but the thread should be available for viewing and archived.
Lastly, give the starter of a thread and only the starter the option of removing posts from that thread because they are "Off Topic". The OP can help by stating right at the start what they consider "Off Topic". The person who posted the "Off Topic" post can be given the option of staring a new thread.
Just a few thoughts with the intent of making Audiogon More Friendly Again!
Some people seem to think they can just say anything on Audiogon and not be judged accordingly. Using this thread as an example, I as the OP would have nipped all the cancel culture talk right from the get go if what I proposed were implemented.
Thanks for all those who commented. It never occurred to me that posters were deleting their own posts.
I've always gathered that "cancel culture" is tuned to popular opinion/voice/vote.
What's wrong with that?
Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I did once petition to keep a certain businesses out of my small city and they never opened up shop here (same end with other small cities within a 12 mile radius as to the very same company/corp).
Cancel culture is an overhyped meme. Nothing more. Sure, it has a definition replete with a history but it's the flavor of the year for those who refuse to get down to the brass tacks of accountability, responsibility and maturity.
One person's "cancel culture" is another person's "call for accountability."
I would certainly agree that privileged dudes with stereo gear should be a bit more resilient, but I've seen some people really cross the boundaries of civility.
In our new cancel culture I’m sure the moderators relish their jobs to be judge and jury of what is appropriate. God forbid someone gets their feelings hurt!
I'd say about half of my removed posts, or more, were deleted by me bc on reflection I saw I was misunderstanding or reacting to others with too much anger. I'm glad about the ability to remove them, and in favor of something like, "Removed by poster."
"I recommend against that, because if it happens, @onhwy61 will lose his nose obviously first."
Huh?
61 has been here since when I first started posting (the year 2000) and the "A'Gon start dates" linked to many of our monikers are inaccurate (something to do with a system overhaul years ago).
Always enjoyed 61's input and from memory he seems to be more even keeled than many, many, many, many, many here (defintely including myself).
However, if the OP were to be granted "power" over their thread(s), as 61 suggested, I assume that 50-75% of my posts would not make the grade.
So,...
this is a BIG NO to me (plus it would enable the misinformation/shill posters).
I made a suggestion/solution in regard to the OP's query, as have others.
What has been your contribution to this thread, aside from attacking the OP?
I agree with dekay’s diary theory. A "trash pile" catagory where deleted posts reside((in date, closed thread) could be implemented for infamy. Spotlighted offensive posters COULD NOT have their comment removed. That may teach them to think twice before posting.
Not censorship, true. But then neither is it a forum when the rules of participation are kept secret and then enforced without explanation by arbitrary whim.
Those who complain about the moderators here are almost invariably those with the least to contribute. The rules of this forum are clearly explained, and you’ll find them in plain English here and here.
Here’s part of the guidance you seem to not understand:
Act professionally and use common sense
Audiogon is a business site; all members are responsible for maintaining a professional and cordial demeanor on and off the site including our forums.
If you take your mouse or finger and go to the lower right hand corner of someone's post you will see: 🏁 Report this.
This gets the moderators attention, however only gets seen if a contributor uses it, so more likely than not a contributor or a number of contributors start the post removal ball rolling.
Not censorship, true. But then neither is it a forum when the rules of participation are kept secret and then enforced without explanation by arbitrary whim.
Their sandbox, their rules. If you invite me over for supper and I insult your cooking you are not inviting me back. Not censorship. False equivalency.
I say leave all posts up. I look at the daily recap each morning and never get to see the deleted posts. They are just words. Aren’t most people on here adults ?
Ignorance is bliss. I have no idea how/when/why/by whom posts or threads are removed, or can be removed. Only that they sometimes are removed, thereby nullifying whatever value they may have had. Spam, okay, in an abundance of caution. But abuse, violence, profanity are all subjective. Ever hear debate in the House of Commons? Extreme abuse, but redeemed by wit. (Wit is the savior of valuable expression against humorless censors, as in the case of "Bigger, Longer, and Uncut"). Violence? Has anyone seen crosshairs superimposed on a member's name or image? Not I. Profanity? Puh-leeze. Whatever isn't "sacred" is by definition "profane" (secular). Is Agon supposed to be a church or something? If so, I missed the warning.
There are certain hot buttons with the moderators. For instance, if you are on the wrong side of discussions about certain preventive medical procedures.
I keep on hearing Audiogon used to be a very good site. The current moderator may be a despot? I posted this below, got removed. It was not spam, abusive, explicit, nor does it contain profanity. Could not figure it out. Can't even freaking ask a question anymore.
Hmm, I was thinking this is audio; not world peace or world hunger. A hobby unless you're a dealer.
If its self-validation that's essential, I'm not sure this site can help. Spirited discussion on the merits of product or approach; why not? Otherwise, we get what we pay for (it's free). Peace, love and rock & roll.
even when myself and others buy a ad I can’t even add a link, my telephone or email address why should we be censored whst is ths Twitter ,or Facebook ?
Recently a thread was deleted, because of which I don't recall the offending member, but in which another popular member here contributed some lengthy well thoughtful and valueful (as usual) additions, with much time spent the doing. Some good posts are foresaken because of an ignoramus. Disclaimer: some of my friends are ignoramus' so this is not intended as any form of hate speech
My suggestion is that Christopher Walken moderate the forums and instead of the offending posts being removed they would remain with digital lines drawn through the words.
Chris would then attach a short video (to the post) with him explaining why the post wasn't up to snuff.
Being that he's an interesting guy - he might just go for it.
Of course - I'm open to other suggestions as well.
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