you shouldn’t make decisions re what to post based on feedback from lowest common denominator types. seems like it says more about you?
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Exactly. The last time I posted my system online in a discussion here, some idiot who disagreed with something PM'd me about how my system couldn't possibly do what I said and that my listening position was X° off just by looking at my photos and couldn't possibly recreate the soundstage as I described it. He even "knew" the distance I sat at from the plane of the speakers without any showing of just where I sat. Must have been one of those remote viewers the military employed back in the day. I read him the riot act in the thread. He never bothered me again. Do I want to go through that again with some know-it-all? Or join some exclusive club? Heck no. If some here want to limit their discussions only to those who post their systems online, do me (us) a favor and use the camera emoji at the start and end of your post, alerting those who've done the same that only they will be responded to and taken seriously and the rest of us can bother not responding, wasting our time in the process. All the best (you have to trust me on that one...no pictures), |
By the way we cannot judge a system by the "virtual system" image... At all.... Save evident TOP of the world system as mike lavigne ... Because i am hot temper i gave only images of my components now, not of my embeddings devices and modifications...Idiots were like flies over me with sarcasms... Answering all was tedious.. 😊 Anyway to judge a system we must listen the strucked cymbals attack , sustain, decay time... We must hear the rise and sustain and decay of tonal timbre microplaying of an instrument , his varying texturing spectral envelope through the time envelope .. We must listen piano note transients sustain and decay and the way the bass note reverberate and his sustained decay ... Each piano note must strike as a rifle bullet in slow motion aimed at our heart.. And we must feel the big turkisch drum halo of bass sound coming through our body... ( it is so with my headphone by the way.).. We must locate the microphones position from the recording trade-off and then sense the location and not only the direction of sound sources... Do you think you will see this on a photo of my 700 bucks system ? i almost never look at the member system photos.. The only interesting detail for me anyway is the room acoustic...
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@kota1 Are you like, 12 yrs old? |
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Someone get their fee fees hurt? Grow up, move on. All the best, |
Thanks. Re windows, we’ve always been surprised how good the room sounds in spite of the windows. Indeed, even the dealer who delivered them originally was surprised how good the sound is. And while I suspect some additional treatment would further enhance the sound, this is our sunroom, where my wife and I spend alot of time together, and we’ve never wanted window treatment in this room - we have a wooded acre that the room looks out on -it’s our zen place. So, that’s a compromise I’m definitely willing to make. Of course, the space for the vintage system is really perfect for listening - I have an acoustic ceiling down there - will post another picture - so I’ve got choices! |
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@mahler123 ...I'm down with you, 5x5 on that....get some good aids for the speech...and then...shut them off whenever...;) *L* ('Phones on now, adjusted to compensate for what's missing...blissful ignore-ance.) @erik_squires ....Keep your secrets....I only had to succeed once, and it's lasted for as long as it has, and will likely run to the run-out.....*middle distance sighting*s* ...if one refers to their posted system, if curio overcomes, I look. There's the grand, the 'rough average'...and like @wolf_garcia *G*hi sign*, there's mine....well, all of 'what it iz', which TTTT, only needs to fulfill mine. An open door you're welcome to cast a shadow next to, a host with some obvious and not so prefs and predilections... ..much like most.... What gets its' exercise is varied....mlm.... |
I've been on Audiogon for 22 years. I immediately posted my system when I joined....and I immediately got a lot of comments. I got a ton of suggestions about amps, speakers, preamps and just about everything else....all of it was constructive criticisms that went a long way towards helping me build a decent system. Some of the advice I didn't take because I didn't agree with....but overall, the the comments were very helpful, and I appreciate it. When I began here 22 years ago, I didn't know diddly squat about hifi.....I've learned a lot along the way and I'm grateful to the members here that helped me in my hifi journey. I've bought and sold countless amounts of amps, preamps, speakers and sources over my two decades here...the ride to arrive where I am today was a wild one! Sadly, it seems the overwhelming majority of the people that were here when I started are no longer active...some have passed away. I'm 70 years old and still swingin... |
The first rule to impress woman is to never ever spoke about sound qualities in audio... This very masculine recognition function about high quality sound all across the spectrum is perceived as a feminine characteristic , because woman are naturally very sensitve to high pitch sounds (babies)... Then eric_squires is right... 😊
«Someday i will change my wife for a better speaker, but i am afraid that she will throw me off for a better microphone soon »--Groucho Marx 🤓 |
managing our manifold interactions with information, how we access it, how we screen it for veracity, how we choose to disseminate it, is a very key part of living successfully and safely in this world we are in this includes figuring out, among the ocean of info coming at us (not to mention what info we seek out) from a variety of sources, what is b-s and what can be relied on? -- one can even say this has become an essential survival skill this also includes being thoughtful about, and having insight into, how the various levels of bad guys might prey on our info, and thus what info about ourselves to put and not to put out there all this having been said, on a site like this, looking at who is posting, what info they provide about themselves, aids a reader in assessing the ’for real’ vs ’faker’ vs ’pretender’ quotient of the poster -- the system page is but one resource, though often a useful one, in that determination, along with other user info that can been seen with a few clicks of the username (also very important is to look through the record of past posts by the same username) -- my own feeling is that one an enthusiast forum such as this where advice is sought and given, it aids the community by making users more accountable, clarifying their experience level, noting if commercial interests are at stake just remember, as we see many times daily in tv, cable, internet media, other forms of ’press’ and/or individual ’publishing’ via social media, what people put out there for us to see, is usually to help themselves much more than to help us-- ’’ it sounds like you are saying this to help me, to inform me, as a service to me, but what do you have to gain when i take your bait, click your click???...’’ -- is a key question to always bear in mind in this highly polluted information age we exist in |
I posted my acoustic room images, which was a homemade mess, only in the beginning state , not with the one hundred resonators, to motivate experimentation for those who can use a dedicated room...I mostly attracted sarcasms... My thin is thick but my temper is not ... i answered 😁 Now no problem with anyone, i borrowed images of my three components , anyway i dont have an acoustic room, one top headphone can do the job happily and surprizingly for me ......And i dont judge people on appearance... I dont mind photo of their room , anyway what interest me in a room is his acoustic content not the price tag and luminous dials of shiny components... 😊 And malher 123 perhaps you sense a slight lost in hearing with age as we will perceive most of us one day with ourself but you had kept your musical understanding at a very high level , and thats all that matter to us...Imagine the reverse ? 😁😉😊
«My hearing is perfect, i hear my wife snoring even when she dont snore»---Groucho Marx 🤓
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Just added one in virtual systems. My room is a mess and I’m not sure that I got the speakers in there so I will redo it after I clean it. So the next thing I think we should be required to add is our Audiograms and/or hearing aid equipment. My ability to hear speech has really deteriorated, especially in loud restaurants. I still think I can hear music unimpeded, but I know that I am fooling myself. I can definitely hear my wife snoring |
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...and Kansas is likely po’d from being used as a point of negative reference after all this time....but, agreed.... The %adge of e/m and phone calls I receive daily that get dumped into the spam bucket or ignored seems to indicate hiring a Dutch dyke with big digits.... @wolf_garcia ....*G* ...nobody wants my style....no one with any obvious rationality, anyway....but, point made & taken.... ;) |
Duh. I do. As I said, it was a 3rd party business partner of my retirement fund that was hacked, which means not me personally. As for PasswordSafe or something like it, that was already recommended after the hack and I'm looking into them. My iMac automatically asks for stronger passwords and applies them to any and all sites that require one. With my new iMac, it's all done by fingerprint identification as well. For anyone who thinks this is paranoia, I get a weekly tally from Safari that tells me how many attempts have been made to profile me and I watch the counter go up to the mid hundreds by weeks end, only to start all over the next week. It's a nice feature to have and a daily reminder that we're not in Kansas anymore. All the best, |
Well, you have to be smart enough to know what personal information to post and which one to not post. Also make sure that passwords are super strong. That is the main reason accounts get hacked, and not because of personal info. Your personal information is available on public domain. Do a check yourself. Use something like PasswordSafe to store your passwords for different sites. But make sure that the Master password to PasswordSafe is at least 15 to 20 characters long with upper, lower case, special characters and numbers. PasswordSafe can also generate passwords for you that you don’t have to remember. Just double click when in the app and paste it in the site. When you exit out of the PasswordSafe, that password is not in memory anymore. |
I don’t do Farcebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. though I’m registered on some of them just for the purpose of reading and gathering information. I’ve recently had my personal info hacked through a 3rd party business interest with my retirement fund and have to now use Experian to monitor my accounts (a free service due to the hack). I’ve always been wary of public sharing sites no matter how innocuous and have been proven correct in that assessment. One of my sisters created a Farcebook account for me (having my personal info) which I never used and when I had my account hacked and taken over by some crooks in Poland, I finally closed out the account. There have been bots on this site vying for info. That should set off some alarm bells. On the matter of "proudly posting my system for legitimacies sake", get a life. I’ve already posted shots of it in a few posts anyway for illustrative purposes in a few threads and that’s enough for me. Pride of ownership is one thing but flying your flag reeks of needing attention and/or exclusivity, as if that makes you more serious than the next guy. All the best, |
HaHa look at me! Thanks for the help guys. I managed to get some pics loaded. I will work on taking better ones and doing a better job on my description. Thanks @ghdprentice @jtcf! |
@vonhelmholtz Great post. Be it a boom box or a 200 K++ system/room as the heart of all these discussions revolves around equipment used for the joy of music some images or at least some verbiage would help authenticate the user. How many of us after reading someone’s post check out their details and check their system(s)? I often do. The whole anonymous user thing has pluses and minuses. If I had to say who I was and where I was (Anytown USA, FYI) that might reduce a lot of snark but maybe for some be a worry about robbers or adoring fans? I’m so appreciative of the kindness and guidance from some here that the dummies edicts matter not. And on the sales side after learning on the forum side the whole Agone allowed me to purchase most of my equipment as new at tremendous savings. ( That’s what I tell my wife…..works for me. Not!) |
@audioguy85 its plain stupid we cant post pics here. actually its disfunctional. hell, its both. |
In my case I haven't posted my system largely because of inertia and a little embarrassment. I have looked at several member's system and I appreciate that they took the time to photograph and detail them. I have 4 racks of components and my cable management is terrible. My system looks messy and I envy those of you who have compact neat systems. I also have no room treatment but my room has a lot of absorption and diffusion and my system sounds pretty darn good. I'm presently undergoing a major upgrade of my digital components and when I replace several pieces with the new ones I will tidy things up and post my system. My guess is that I probably have more stuff (multiple sound processors, CD players, DACs, transports, equalizers, R2R and cassette decks, etc.) than most Agon forum users so my system is unusual in that regard and may be of some interest. |
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Based on your security concerns, I’m assuming that a member’s address is stored on Audigon servers should they buy, or sell. I don’t believe that such information is stored for those that only use the forum. So, for these members there shouldn’t be any security concerns unless they post something that gives away their address. Is this a correct understanding? The only other possible way to locate a member would be geo data on uploaded photos, but I question if this information can be determined via the virtual system photos and such data can be stripped from photo prior to uploading. Again, I don’t know if this is a correct understanding. |
The OP raises a good question and I personally have been on this site for almost 24 years now I guess I never felt a need. Things have changed since my early days here and everything certainly has changed since then. It seems to me that everything now is open game to be discussed in the public domain whether it is personal or private in nature. I have never subscribed to using any public forum outside of Audiogon, to vet any personal or private material and will remain that way. With that said, some of the reasons I have not gone down the OP's request is that I do not know how, and also for privacy reasons as I have noted. Some of these systems can and do cost a lot of money and I would think that some may have a general reluctance to post photo's due to insurance and also security reasons. Also, some may have decided not to post due to the fear of some unscrupulous people in this world who have bad intentions. |
Some brands names and some price tags for sure indicated something in the quality design scale ... But when i look at virtual system, which is very rare , i look more at the room than at the pieces brand names...😊 What someone can say about my actual system sound quality , now headphone based for reason of space in a smaller house, looking at my Sansui Alpha , My low cost battery/bank Hidizs dac and my Headphone AKG K 340 ? NOTHING...😊 He cannot understand nor see all my optimizations and modifications to the audio system parts.. Worst , i did not need an acoustic room , then he cannot disparage as ridiculous my acoustic room now with his ignorant sarcasms as some did ...😊 If you want to know if someone had a good sound , look at his room first, next read his posts to measure his satisfaction level versus his upgrading urgency rthytm , learn if he is obsessed by price tag, and draw a conclusion... Or be a jerk as the seller who ridicule my peanuts cost dedicated acoustic room and audio component because it was more easy to ridicule my system than to answer my objections about the artificial sound of his main costly room tweak with an artificial soundfield so evident we can hear it through youtube... Acoustic cannot be bought with a costly tweak... i never bought tweaks , i created the one i used , and i dont need upgrade now more than ever...Even if some upgrade could be possible for me for sure at twenty time the cost of my actual system .. is it possible to hear top hi-fi at under 1000 bucks for a system ? Yes... It ask for serious work and experiments but it is possible...I did it... And sometimes miracles happen... I own one of the best designed headphone ever now... To beat it you need an acoustic room and very refined components...
How do i know ? it is because i know how to define 4 elements in the soundfield after my experiments in my room, most reviewers identify only two of them clearly in their reviews, and this indicated something about their acoustic experience 😊 ... Four soundfield characteristics as experienced in a good system ( i dont put the timbre experience as one of the soundfield characteristics , because it is so basic , it must be First and LAST criteria.. : ---imaging differentiation between sound sources ---Soundstaging three dimensions VARYING sizes because it MUST BE recording dependant and contain all sound sources together...It must not be fixed once for all... ---the Holographic volume of EACH sound source in his own space, it is called holographic because it is 3-D ---Immersivenes : acoustically defined as the balanced ratio between the sound sources holographic volume dimensions and the listener envelopment, or the way a listener is included in the "extent" soundfield which is represented by this abbreviatons ratio in acoustic ASW/LV ... To do this someone must control reflective surface/absorbing/diffusive one ratios and the timing of all reflective surfaces, some are useful other destructives.. The dimension of the room and his geometry, topology and content is the start point, the timing of the waves the end point... The pressure distribution zones of the sound must be tamed..I used Helmholtz resonators tuned mechanically to do so ...
Then why judging people on some esthetical images and brand names ? The room acoustic controls , the owner satisfaction as a sign of experience , and the poster explanations are my three indications... For sure some marvellous dedicated room say it all.. the sound must be good... But trust me, an image is not enough at all, the 4 characteristics of a soundfield cannot be evaluated without listenings... By the way if i had plenty of money my dedicated room would had been very esthetical not a mess.. But i am proud of my soundfield at the end not of the look... Never judge people on appearance.. never judge system by prices or esthetic... Judge them by their arguments, and experience and knowledge...
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@jjss49 , You nailed it! I see that there are many poster from early 2000s that have 10-20 posts till 2017-2018 and then there is a flood of posts after that till date, especially gravitating towards a certain brands. These are also some posters with red flags, for me. I feel these might have been the accounts that were probably hacked - I am not sure - but something about such poster does not sit right. Worst part is that for some of these posters, the recommendation that they provide and the system that they have listed do not even match. Hence the red flag on such posters, for me. I have been on this site for quite some time. There are a handful of posters who do not have systems registered, but I know they are genuine posters. |
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+1 @jjss49 I could not have worded it any better. Thank you. |
Fair question. After taking a look at some of your systems (and, rooms) I feel compelled to call my insurance company and make a vandelism claim on my system. "Below average" would be the highest endorsement for my system/room. As far as those looking for advice, the more data, the better. Sometimes it sounds a bit like: "Hey, I want my car to go faster. What should I do first?" Upgrading/replacing the little cardboard tree hanging from the rear view mirror might cover up some odors, but it's unlikely to improve 0-60 times. Just sayin'. |
How many systems are built the same, i.e, same Brands Models that are used for a particular role throughout the audio chain - very very few. Nearly all systems built are unique in how they are put together. How many individuals have a broad experience of being demo'd audio ancillaries where their assessment is able to assist another in creating a experience that is for them an improvement and a attraction worthwhile maintaining - not many of those either. How does seeing an image of an individuals set up in place of a list make for a better evaluation? An image might show means of s supporting structure and maybe even the room used for the system. A poor method being utilised as a support structure, or a room that is not looking suitable for a Stereo Replay can be commented on, but I don't see much more that can be addressed through looking at an image of a Audio System. |
I don’t care if my system is posted, as most of my conversations are not about or based on my personal system(s). My responses are usually not about what I have on my shelves, and my time as an audio fanatic is not all about my own current situation. It’s annoying to have a conversation for the sake of conversation on a subject where you have expertise but some numb-nut attacks your response because of what you have on the shelf even when the banter is completely unrelated. If I was "asking for help" on my system I’d state the components I was talking about at that moment, not rely on someone searching my profile. That said, I may update my system listing :-) |
