What makes the biggest difference in sound quality?

hi ted, may I confirm by your most recent post that your own order would generally begin with power cords? how would you rate the others after that, in this case, or correct my assumption, otherwise?

Hello Ted Denny! Happy Holidays!  You have listed the items inthe correct order. Interconnects first, fuses last. Enjoy the Music!

@STEAKster! I was going to respond to your comments, then I saw your OFFENSIVE and 100% IGNORANT username! I am 36 years VEGETARIAN, now VEGAN. I am also a HERMIT because I REFUSE to support our SATANIC SLAUGHTERhouse society. I also KNOW that many of you on this type of forum trend towards NARCISSISM, and DO NOT CARE. I'm also an ex-hockey player who still trains regularly, NOT one of those WIMPY liberal, commie girly-men vegans. I could have chosen to IGNORE this, and kept QUIET, but my CONSCIENCE will not allow that. 

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Some times a TURD float to the top. Flush twice and call your doctor in the morning..

I am not a vegetarian, I like my meat, especially beef and pork, but I respect the vegetarians, both for health reasons and good cause. I don’t know how they do it, but hey, kudos! I cannot survive without meat for more than a couple of days. 
 

By the way, does fish count as meat? How about chicken, dark meat?

To everyone who said power cords, or the AC chain as being the first part of your system to address after the basics, I agree in most cases. In the 90s when I was flying around the country on my beat to sign new dealers, the first thing I would do to blow them away, was connect a loom of the original AC Master Coupler to their reference system. This demo is how I placed Synergistic Research on the map.

Yours in music,

Ted Denney III

Lead Designer/CEO Synergistic Research Inc.

@steakster  a well adjusted individual it seems. Eats meat. @nickatnoon61 someone who lives as a hermit. Does not eat meat. Hm.

@steakster 😂😅

Surely, new speakers and new cartridge made the hugest difference.

However, the most shocking and, by far, best bang for the buck was Townshend Podiums under my speakers. The character of the sound radically changed for the better. Shocking.

To answer your specific question, in my system, of the items you listed, I believe power cords have the biggest impact on the sound quality of my amplification components.

When making changes or adding things to your system, what makes the bigger difference in sound quality on preamp‘s and power amps? Interconnects, speaker cables, power cords, or fuses?

Key phrase is 'making changes': save your money and just toe in or out your speakers a few degrees to achieve your desired effect.

I think @tubebuffer might also play Hockey, maybe i spelled puck..wrong….

We had Prime Rib and Ham last eve, no fowl…. Bit of Elk summer sausage on the appetizer tray paired well w Basil H. Rye.

Carry on !

Jim

I am a vegan trapped in a meat puppet Robot

Never known a Conservative Vegan, that plays Hockey.

I play Hockey and 3 nights a week and eat meat and love people.

@ Nickatnoon61, are you  tube or solid state vegan, anti satanic, possibly conservative hockey player audiophile? Great 1st post btw.

Another thread on track! 

Speaking of speakers 😏, I think there is one aspect of speakers that is quite often overlooked and that is decoupling them from the floor. If they are isolated they won't transmit vibrations through the floor and color the sound. It worked for me.

i am considering changing my handle to 'killedacowjustnow' 😂😂

What a funny post @nickatnoon61.

Thanks for that.

The first five things are the room.  Everything else you listed comes after that.

Let me clarify a little.  There are people who train themselves to hear past the room and only hear the equipment.  That's an amazing feat of ear/brain effort.  For everyone else, the room is the biggest thing, then speakers, then amp, then whatever.

I'm with AC and room as foundation. Of choice Ted gave, power cable>speaker cable>digital/IC> fuse

@STEAKster! I was going to respond to your comments, then I saw your OFFENSIVE and 100% IGNORANT username! I am 36 years VEGETARIAN, now VEGAN. I am also a HERMIT because I REFUSE to support our SATANIC SLAUGHTERhouse society. I also KNOW that many of you on this type of forum trend towards NARCISSISM, and DO NOT CARE. I'm also an ex-hockey player who still trains regularly, NOT one of those WIMPY liberal, commie girly-men vegans. I could have chosen to IGNORE this, and kept QUIET, but my CONSCIENCE will not allow that. 

Program source. Junk in, junk out.

@nutella

I firmly believe the majority of audiophiles (or audiogoners) don’t read the content of the original post before offering their opinions.

i agree, it is amazing to me when people can evidently type, yet they cannot read...

in some ways it is a pointed commentary on many of the ills of our society in the present day - how people talk past each other, never making an effort to understand what is being asked, what is the exact question or concern being expressed

I firmly believe the majority of audiophiles (or audiogoners) don’t read the content of the original post before offering their opinions.  

I firmly believe that the right integrated  amp or amp / preamp combo is critical to get the most out of any speaker .    I've had a number of good speakers over the years but why did I tire of them?    Because my electronics were just good....  not great 

I think that's why you see so many speakers for sale .   I finally bought a kick ass preamplifier and honestly it sounded like I got new speakers.   It was profound.

Everything

Can't really get a more ignorant answer to the OP's question.

It's as if the word "or" is mystifying to someone using the language for decades.

@bjesien 

Looms are key. Because speakers are sold in pairs, you don’t tend to find people using two different speakers. But you find people using electronics from multiple manufacturers, and cable stew. Ultimately you would want an amp and preamp from the same manufacturer, and definitely a full loom of Interconnects speaker cables digital cables power cords from the same manufacturer and loom. Back in the day when I would accompany my dealers to some of their biggest customers, to help set everything up, I was absolutely amazed by the poor performance from six-figure systems with a hodgepodge of cables purchased here and there on AudiogoN. Nothing destroys performance more, and anyone who tells you differently, does not know what they’re talking about. What I didn’t ask with this question was acoustics, which is number one.

Interconnects- significant positive changes.

Speaker cables- less significant positive changes.

Fuses- no changes. 

Power cables- less significant negative changes.  

I've found speakers > amps > source > isolation >  cables.. Within all this the poorest performing link will place limitations on the best. For example, a great interconnect will get murdered going through poor speaker cables. Trying to make sure it all matters is important, or at least keeping that in mind as you go as your building a system. Ted, can you explain some of this from your own experience?  

For me, the updates that have had the biggest impacts to my preamp and amps were power cable for the preamp and speaker cable for the amps. The power cables  for my amps also made a difference, but not at the same level as the speaker cables. I recently added spring isolation to my amps and that added more depth. I think it helps since I use tube amps.  

@ebm 

Everything

+1

The question was framed in such a manner so as to specifically not ask about hearing, auditory perceptions or any possible psycho-acoustic effects.

This was possibly accidental, of course.
 

I also didn’t ask what people had for Christmas dinner.

tsushima1603 posts 12-26-2021 3:31am Your thread isn’t working out quite as hoped aye Ted 😉

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No it certainly is NOT

Look we’ve already had this discussion a million x’s.

Its already been established Speakers are EVERYTHING in a system. Not sure where all these dis/mis info posts are comming from,, I guess the old seasoned audiophiles have left this site and now we have a bunch of greenies who have no clue what makes/breaks a sound system.

#1 speakers.

#2 tube type/design pure SET vs SET/PP vs KT/PP ...KT88 vs KT90

#3 DAC quality(My Shanling 3000 sounds a tiny bit better vs the cayin 17, but the jadis DAC JS2 blows both away) vs lower end DAC/solid state DACs(cheap lil DACs that sell for $$$$), Sony cd players. .

#4 output trans quality. Coblat vs Z6 vs Z11

#5 pre tube types(AX/AU vs 6NS7 and brand (Teles vs RCA’s)

Room acoustics last and maybe least.

Wires/cabels, nuance, miniscule.

Everything.

+1 @celestialsound 

1. Room

2. Speaker Position

3. Speakers

4. Source/Pre Amp/Power amp

5. Cables

@steakster Agree with  that everything matters, and speakers are the majority.

#1 - the recording quality 

#2 - my mood and how tired I am 

#3 - proper speaker placement in room

#4 - great amp & speaker synergy 

#5 - cabling 

Especially if you have Lead in your ears. 

The question was framed in such a manner so as to specifically not ask about hearing, auditory perceptions or any possible psycho-acoustic effects.

This was possibly accidental, of course.

1. Room

2. Speaker Position

3. Speakers

4. Source/Pre Amp/Power amp

5. Cables

None of the above

Especially if you have Lead in your ears. 

Interconnects, speaker cables, power cords, or fuses?

None of the above.

Your thread isn’t working out quite as hoped aye Ted 😉

Drivers> Crossover>DAC>Source>Amplifiers>Cables>Room Treatment>Fuses/outlets.  

EVERYTHING matters. All of it, every part of the audio chain is critical.

I'm finding that the "level where everything matters" is as much a curse as a blessing. The Absolute Sound is like the Absolute Truth, doesn't exist, couldn't be found if it did, so the fun lies in the process of endless tweaking.

speakers and cartridge tend to make the most difference IME, but you reach a certain level where everything matters.  

Oldhvymec has it correct, electrical is the foundation and  without a proper foundation you will never hear what ur system is capable of .

Electrical
Room
Gear / vibration control
Bass / cabling / vibration control
Mains / cabling / vibration control

When the room and electrical is 50% of the sound, that leave gear, speakers and cabling. Good cabling and switching from one to another for me is horizontal more than vertical. A ground up approach, is working the best for me.

Electrical
Room
Gear / vibration control
Bass / cabling / vibration control
Mains / cabling / vibration control

Everything I use I settled on 35 yeas ago, I keep listening, nothing has changed my mind yet. I doubt anything will. I’m 67 years old my hearing isn’t going to get better. So what sounded good 10 years ago is going to sound worse not because the gear is better or worse, it’s MY hearing..

I have or can make anything I need because I sure couldn’t afford what I like, and only if it is even being made any more. The only thing I use that wears is surrounds on subs and woofers and valves. Everything else will literally outlast my grandkids. Small ribbons and planars.

The power tubes last 5-6000hrs and the signal valves last over 10,000. I have BR surrounds that are in great shape that are 50 years old.

Cables are right at 5-10% of the LAST bit of influence, but because I know what my speakers like, now .5% on a cable change is more likely after 35 years.
There is no super big anything changing in my sound room other than MY ability to hear AS GOOD as I did the day before.. :-) That’s holding at this time.. Thank God.

Merry Christmas and a safe as it needs be New Year.. No need to over do it.. :-)

Regards