The review wehave been promising is up

Boring.

I wish Valin had reviewed the base model at $3500. Instead he opted for the Aeon at $7500. Quite a difference in price! At least he warned us about the factory default setting of 432hz - which should be disabled by buyers because it fundamentally alters the pitch and timing of modern instrument recordings.

Typical TAS crap review. He says it’s the best he’s heard then conveniently never mentions what else he’s heard much less compares it directly with a comparable competitor. While the 432 is clearly a very competent product, without any context this is just another “review in a bubble” where the reviewer relies only on very fleeting auditory memory while singing the review product’s praises. The review would’ve been much more useful and informative if the reviewer made any effort whatsoever to put the 432’s performance in the context of at least one other competitive product or at minimum bothered to simply share what other products he’s heard that form the basis for his opinions. But that would take more work and involve accountability for the assertions being made in the review, and we surely can’t have that. Argh!

@soix +1 waste of a review, just meaningless

Bottom line is the reviewer did not like the 432 playback mode. Other than that, I have nothing to add to what @soix already wrote so eloquently above. 

Disappointing. 

Waste of $7500! Get an iFi Zen Stream!

This thread should help sales of the Evo.....NOT

Pointless.

Adding all that technology to adjust to 432 or many other settings, then people will just turn the whole thing off.

More Absolute Sound hype.

Gotta sell that advertising.

rs507 anyone who hears one tends to purchase one they sound amazing.

 

Twoleftears there is no advertising going on by us in the absolute sound.

 

Mr. quint Has had a lot of other servers his last server was a 15k Baetis reference.

 

as per the plug in most people prefer the server with it Mr. Quint is a classical music purist he objected based on not wanting to change the artists intent rather then a distinct sonic preference.

 

if you check other reviews is is always the same the 432Evo outperforms the competition

 

 

 

 

We have found that the overall sound quality of the server is so high as it is the plug in being used or not makes very little real difference.

 

the fact that Mr. Quint actually purchased the demo piece speaks volumes about the servers performance, especially when he already had another $15k server..

 

Another point we offer a two week unconditional return trial

Dave and Troy

Audio Intellect NJ

US. importer 432evo music servers.

 

Maybe it’s just me, but any time Troy responds, my first instinct is to assume the worst, like a slimy used car salesman. I agree with above that the review out of context of direct comparison is pretty useless. 

I agree with above that the review out of context of direct comparison is pretty useless. 

Virtually all TAS reviews are like this.  Never bother to do comparisons, and frequently they don’t even list the equipment in the reference system so you can’t even infer what they were using as a baseline.  And, when they do bother to list the reference equipment they frequently leave out the reference piece that would be comparable to the review component.  They go to great pains to not be held accountable for any of the crap they just feel like spewing out.  Useless, self-affirming drivel is all it really is. 

Let me guess, audiotroy must be selling this thing, am I correct?

Of course he is. He wrote another post about it. Unclear why Audiogon allows a salesman to harass us to buy stuff from his store. 

audio Troy we don't want any of your shameless advertising to push your products on here this is for people to give their comments about things, if you want to push your crap go to the sales page on this site.

mayoradamwest,

couldn't agree with you more that's all they ever do is come on here and try and sell and push their stuff, the guy even thinks paradigm persona sound good LOL, that beryllium midrange and tweeter are so bright and edgy it's not even funny, and he even thinks that the monitor audio platinum aren't up there with the best. a friend of mine compared the platinum 500 to the $75,000 focal and he said that the platinum 500 was much better.

that's cuz nobody will buy anything from him when they meet him and talk to him LOL

I you're an "audio intellect" (a nonsensical term) you might try to develop punctuation skills along with realizing the obvious ethical issues there are in using this forum to hawk the crap you sell. Again, lame.

Audiotroy is no different than a tas or stereophile reviewer. Have you ever read a post from audiotroy on a product they sell or a review from tas/stereophile that wasn’t the best product ever made? I gave up on the trade mags for this very reason, not every product  reviewed is the best of the best.

Same goes for audiotroy, of course what they sell is always going to be the best, but they shouldn’t be able to try selling their goods in agon forums like this and they do all the time.

Troy at least makes no bones about the fact that he is a salesman.  I prefer that to others who shill for a product and don’t reveal that they have a financial interest.  MC, anyone? And Troy occasionally puts in a good word for products that he doesn’t sell.

  I stopped reading TAS when they became shameless hucksters for MQA

@cleeds 

In my opinion the difference is that dealers/manufacturers like Duke, Verdant, and Atmasphere seem to be objective and don't always push their products on members. They offer genuine assistance, even if it means steering you down a different road. All I ever see from @audiotroy are infomercials. It is possible to straddle that fine line between audio enthusiast and audio seller. Some here show us on a regular basis how it's done.

 

I’m disturbed by how easily people say nasty things on this site.

wow

My biggest problem with the review,is that there’s nowhere for me to hear it and I’m not going to buy a 15K radio just on the words of one review.

 

Hey... although I agree with almost everything said above... let me remind everyone that Salesmen are an internal part of the equation of Life. Like it or Not...

Sharks, Cops, Engineers, Lawyers, Skunks, Politicians, Snakes, Spiders,Salesmen etc, etc... they all are important, necessary and should be valued.

There is not one person here who does not owe their work existence, in some part, to a Salesman... not one. 

Rant over, now go listen to some music (that you bought from some Salesman, whether you realize it or not).

+1 ozzy62

Or better yet a Sales Engineer.

that you bought from some Salesman, whether you realize it or not).

+2 ozzy62

From Dave’s post:

Another point we offer a two week unconditional return trial

There are many dealers/manufacturers who get the approval of the anti-Dave crew here who do not offer this option. Dave is putting his money where his mouth is. To me that’s more important than a soft sell approach

Typical post: I'm trying to decide between brands A, B, and C.

Typical Troy response: Brand X blows away A, B, and C.  BTW, we sell brand X.

If this isn't cluttering up the forum, I don't know what is.

@cleeds 

I never said he doesn't belong here. But his idea of forum etiquette for dealers is a bit dicey....

I you’re an "audio intellect" (a nonsensical term) you might try to develop punctuation skills

I read here a year or two ago that David Lalin had a stroke. Perhaps that explains the grammar mistakes, and often weird writing style. I have met Lalin in person about three or four years ago. Nice guy. Personally, I don’t find his posts here harmful. They may be of value, even for just adding a component in your "watch list". Harmless

 

I don’t know who Troy is

 

In my opinion the difference is that dealers/manufacturers like Duke, Verdant, and Atmasphere seem to be objective and don't always push their products on members. They offer genuine assistance, even if it means steering you down a different road.
 

What’s even more important is what those dealers/manufacturers mentioned above DON’T do.  They NEVER put down another member’s recommendations or another competitive product.  Dave and Troy have a long history of doing this (they’ve done it to me several times) to push their own products that to me completely crosses the line versus just mentioning their products or providing otherwise unbiased/useful info.  IMHO if a dealer or manufacturer gets on here and starts bad-mouthing other products or member recommendations to push their own products they should be banned from this site.  The whole idea of this site is to help each other by sharing valuable and often hard-won knowledge and personal experience, so when a dealer gets on here and undermines this in a biased effort to boost their own sales it damages not only the member experience but also the reputation of this site so I hope Audiogon gets more serious about stopping this egregious behavior. 

As long as a dealer identifies himself as such, and then makes no bones about their agenda, most of us can handle reading their comments in stride.  We don’t need banning here.  It is also entirely permissible for another poster to point out that the dealer has an agenda and therefore not necessarily be objective 

 I'm not sure why this guy gets so much crap when this site is crawling with industry. i like their input. I stumbled into this guy's room at AXPONA and only today realized it was Audiotroy. He did tell me my streamer would sound 'broken' next to this thing. I don't really dig that kind of salesmanship. 

soix and ozzy62 stated why he gets crap'; seems like you got a firsthand view

that's it, I'm done here. thanks to those that helped me these past 2 years/

Twoleftears there is no advertising going on by us in the absolute sound.

Ok, but you carry this brand and you're posting a positive review. That be pimpin'

Maybe someone can dig up a negative review of this product for balance.

who da ho? who be pimpin’? you callin ME a HO? man you da HO and yo mama da HO MAMA

ok i got that outta my system, thank you

now @twoleftears -- throw away your gear stat, and call audiotroy so they can sell you a whole new rig that won’t sound broken... man you do not know what you are missin out on... 😂🤣😆🤗

 

I have a post up on Class D integrated and this guy is PM me trying to sell me:

We have an incredibile int we can sell you for 5k new66500

Call my store audio intellect nj

audiotroy

I rest my case.

you guys are way too sensitive in the case of the guy with the integrated amp

 

We Specialize in integrated amps, and a dialog would have probably helped him when he complained we apologized.

 

sorry we see it as trying to assist a person.

we have sold and listened to a ton of great integrated amps:

To date we have represented devialet, hegel, atoll, musical fidelity nad, nuprime , vincent, unison research, naim, krell lluxman, coda krell atoll cambridge, rega bryston peachtree, synthesis, cayin, lumin and others.

 

if anyone here has owned more integrated amps please chime in. 

 

This is what a dealer can bring to the forums perspective and experience.

 

 

unfortunately many of you guys just want someone to parrot the product you were thinking of and take offense if another product is mentioned.

 

we read and post to learn about new brands as well as to enlighten people about new brands we are testing 

recently got atoll and will be evaluating MOjo Audios new x series dac

 

Dave and troy

Audio intellect NJ

dealer for a boat load of products

 

yes jerry just like other dealers on here

do you think Verdents audio comments about the dacs they are testing is not designed to have people contact his store?

 

or he guy who was raving about tara labs or many of the rabid tekton posters

 

the difference we say right out we are dealers for these products

 

jerry you are entiiled to your opinion as we are entitiled to ours

 

 

 

 

@jjss49 

I repeated your funny/flippant comment and posted a funny video of Kramer as a colorful character from Seinfeld. That post was removed. Weird, eh? 

Way back in the day, it was verboten to offer or deal in the forums. Everyone would chime in and say 'that's not allowed' and 'go post an ad if you need to sell something.'  Oh my, the standards have been lowered. 

Members are no longer permitted to DM another with an offer, which pisses Admin off to no end. Amazing times we're in, eh? How far can we push this before Admin steps in and makes things harder for us to simply post and chat?

All the best,
Nonoise

Given the belligerence of this guy in this thread and many others, it's hard to imagine anyone wanting to deal with him to actually buy something.  But I suppose some people warm to that style.