The review wehave been promising is up

this stuff really gets you riled up doesn’t it? While I appreciate your concern for us, the solution is don’t read his posts, don’t reply to them. You would be surprised how much that would eliminate the problem of lengthy threads about misbehaving dealers and bring you and others much peace of mind.

@tomcy6 I see my post went completely over your head — guess you’re more of a visual learner. I’m far from the only one here who has issues with audiotroy’s behavior on this site because we see the danger to the site’s integrity if more like him are allowed come along. Anyway, fortunately for us you’re not a moderator here and hopefully audiotroy will continue to be a one-off outlier here. Maybe someone here will make a video showing some of their prior posts so maybe you’ll finally be able to understand the brewing cancer they are on this site.

I forgot....what was this thread about? Oh, any more comments on the 432 EVO? I would love to hear.

<<Getting back to the subject at hand.  Has anyone who actually spends their hard earned money heard this piece of equipment?  I'd love to get an impression from a user that plunked down $7500 to see if they feel satisfied with their purchase>>

 

Well, I did.

And I do.

AQ

I wonder what the accommodation price was.

@twoleftears - EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so maybe you’ll finally be able to understand the brewing cancer they are on this site.

@soix, With you on the job, I sleep well knowing Audiogon is safe from all kinds of industry mischief.  Thanks!  I need the sleep.

The acomodación price was dealer pricing not some ridiculously low price 

 

 

 

DAVE LALIIN OWNER

Tough crowd.

Even with a reviewer's discount it was a substantial outlay - not the sort of expenditure you'd make if you didn't really like the gear. Sheesh....

Tough crowd.

@aquint Not really, if you’re honest and deal in facts. Otherwise, yeah you’ll find this a little rough especially if you’re not accustomed to being held accountable for what you say. Speaking of which, still waiting, as per my prior post, for you to point out where specifically you compared the 432 with the Baetis in the review as you said you did. Also, if you could explain why you didn’t even include the Baetis in your list of associated equipment in the review that would be very enlightening.

Actually, I wasn’t able to complete the head-to-head comparison of Baetis to 432 EVO that I’d hoped to. The Aeon has only a USB output; the Baetis has USB, AES/EBU, SPDIF, and HDMI. The USB interface is an upgrade, employing an SOtM card and in mid-review, it stopped working. I’d developed an impression that the Aeon at least held its own against the Baetis but I couldn’t do the additional comparisons I wanted to – the USB output is the best-sounding one on the Baetis machine, and I didn’t think it fair to make comparisons with another. The Baetis became irrelevant, in terms of this review, and thus wasn’t even mentioned as "associated equipment."

That said—and acknowledging that, in part due to this exchange, I’ll be trying to add specific comparisons to future reviews—I stick by my guns regarding the importance of referencing the absolute sound and of using the descriptive language of our hobby to delineate what I’m hearing. If you don’t find that approach helpful, soix, no problem. But many people do.

• @aquint So, you started with this excuse…

With the 432 EVO Aeon review, as Lalin pointed out, I do have a Baetis server that’s active in my system and I use a lot and, of course, compared to the Belgium product. But how many readers have had experience with that one?

Now it turns into this…

Actually, I wasn’t able to complete the head-to-head comparison of Baetis to 432 EVO that I’d hoped to. The Aeon has only a USB output; the Baetis has USB, AES/EBU, SPDIF, and HDMI. The USB interface is an upgrade, employing an SOtM card and in mid-review, it stopped working. I’d developed an impression that the Aeon at least held its own against the Baetis but I couldn’t do the additional comparisons I wanted to…The Baetis became irrelevant, in terms of this review, and thus wasn’t even mentioned as "associated equipment."

Please stop. You’re just twisting your excuses in knots to try to explain your inexplicable behavior, and I’m being kind here.  First it was the standard TAS “not everybody owns the other product” excuse, now it’s the I didn’t have the proper connection to do a valid comparison excuse. That crap don’t fly here man, and every seasoned audiophile here will see right through it for exactly what or is, so again I say just cut your losses and stop throwing out these BS rationales or this will get nothing but worse for you as others start to chime in because the truth is plain to see here. I don’t like pressing you at all here man, but I also won’t let BS pass as I always expect to get called out on my statements whether here or in professional reviews and I accept that accountability as part of the terrain. I recommend you do the same, and I really hope you and your colleagues at TAS embrace doing more comparisons in the future because I think you could offer so much more to potential audio buyers than you do now.

 

audiotroy - "The acomodación price was dealer pricing not some ridiculously low price"

 

Comical ! Deepest sympathies ! Maybe you should offer that price to everyone

ac·com·mo·da·tion

/əˌkäməˈdāSH(ə)n/

noun

1. 1.

   temporary lodgings, sometimes also including board.

2. 2.

   a convenient arrangement; a settlement or compromise.

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convenient, indeed, for all parties concerned... 🤣

Jjss49 I have to write replies on my phone as it is easier to finger type as I h ad a stroke which was mentioned previously

For some reason the phone auto corrects and for some strange reason it is not in English all the time so the word was misspelled Sorry.

 

Some of you are really uptight and ovely judgemental.

Many of us are in our late fifties or sixties and it is not easy to be able to see a small screen

I would not judge others so harshly.

 

As per offering dealer pricing to everyone.

 

Why doesn’t every company do that?

I would love a new tesla for 20k.

However tesla needs to make money as do all people.

The Evo is an amazing product if you want to put your money on the line please order one.

 

We did to the tune of 20k to purchase all the models to offer display samples.

So we like everyone else need to stay in bussines.

 

Mr. Quint is In The industry his article was lengthy and time Consuming hence an industry price.

We discovered the brand bought a bunch of samples sent out review samples and demoed at shows all of this costs money.

The forums are to also bring attention to new products

 

And we test alot of them

 

When we offer sugestions in a post

It is because we have tested and found better

On a power conditioner post we made a recomendarion based on testingthe same product.

 

We always send out display samples when someone wants to do the same tests on the product.

We put our money where our months are by purchasing these products

Our store is a giant testing lab.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dave - So very sorry to hear of the health struggles. Bless you man.

Jim

@audiotroy

Jjss49 I have to write replies on my phone as it is easier to finger type as I h ad a stroke which was mentioned previously

For some reason the phone auto corrects and for some strange reason it is not in English all the time so the word was misspelled Sorry.

dave, no apology needed for mis-spelling, my smart-alek post wasn’t picking on that - i empathize re your struggles post-stroke, and wish you all the best on regaining good health

my point was just to reinforce what i posted on earlier, about reviewers and what incentivizes them, and how difficult it is to be entirely objective and not become co-opted by commercial advantages the role affords... be it accommodation pricing, long-term or permanent ’loans’ of gear, and so on...

my hope is also that you as a forum member will focus on mainly providing useful new info for the benefit of the end users who come here to become informed, and keep the frontal selling tactics to a minimum

cheers and best wishes