Looking for my Final Pair!!


Been through the high end maelstrom for over 30 years and although I have enjoyed the ride, I desperately want to find speakers that exude dynamics, tone and presence.  I want to be transported to the Village Vanguard where The John Coltrane Quartet are performing any night I desire.  I want to feel the timbre of his sax 🎷. When I close my eyes I want to be enveloped by the atmosphere of the space and awash with the impact and emotion being expressed by the musicians.  I don’t want to hear what the engineers hear after they mix a recording...I want to be in the studio when the tracks are being laid down!  So far, Tannoy Heritage Arden have come to my attention, Klipsch Cornwall IV’s, JBL S4700’s or perhaps Spatial Audio X3’s?  Help
dave_b
Bought my last pair of speakers (AudioStatic ES300R, later upgraded to DCM-4) and my last amp (Mark Levinson no. 333) for driving them 25 years ago. They once made a door caller compliment me the piano playing skills of my non-existent wife...
btw I find it strange that I never read any speaker suggestion here for Sonus Faber here which is supposed to be the ene all be all home theater speaker nirvana
Another vote for Spatial. My Luminas fit your needs 100% and those X3s are similar especially with the powered sub.
How about a used pair of Vandersteen Model 7’s? I know of a pair coming up for sale. 
Tannoys for sure. I have a pair of Churchills with the st 100 super tweeters, they are my forever pair!
I'm happy with my Klipsch Forte - first generation.  Get a used pair like I did for about $500 on CL if you can wait. 
@dave_b   try to listen my brand Bache , is different philosophy to design ,  we are in Brooklyn ,also i have one customer , living close to you 
mijostyn,

It was just a suggestion to have a reference for "being in the studio".

For example, these are right where they are supposed to be pricewise and have their own amplifier. 

ATC SCM45A Pro Dual 6.5 inch 3-way Powered Studio Monitors | Sweetwater

These are more expensive, but again they have amplifier included.

ATC SCM50ASL Pro 9 inch 3-way Powered Studio Monitors | Sweetwater

Maybe non-pro ATC would be what OP is looking for?
Bought my last pair of speakers (AudioStatic ES300R, later upgraded to DCM-4) and my last amp (Mark Levinson no. 333) for driving them 25 years ago. They once made a door caller compliment me the piano playing skills of my non-existent wife...
glupson, the ATC Pro 15's are $20K! The little guys are supposed to be right in your face!


Pure Audio Project, similar to the Spatials, are an open baffle design with a modular construction allowing for some customization. I suspect you'd look at the horn tweeter for a good live reproduction of jazz. Someone else may prefer the voxativ version which really excels in capturing the human voice and orchestral midrange.
Another + for Magnepan they will definitely take you there. I have 3.7i in a 12x15 room and they sound magnificent. Adding a sub will help the bottom with the smaller models not sure it would be needed with 20's and 30's.
Go to the Blue Note in NYC if you want live jazz.

I highly recommend Wilson speakers - I have Sasha 2's, but I have heard all of them and the Sabrina 2 is great for a smaller room at its price point.

Monitors are what recording and mixing engineers listen to, they usually seek neutrality in a speaker, but that may not be a good fit for you.
I love the Ardens with a Luxman A class. I have never had a setup where I feel like I a missing nothing .....  I am in scotland though so got them for £5k - if USA you might get more for your   buck from Klipsch Cornwall IV and by all accounts a similar great performance ....
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My suggestion would be Quad ESL2812 with a pair of REL 212/sx and Then match the rest of your setup to your taste.
I’ve finally ended up with my forever speakers after many years of swapping. I still use a pair of sub-woofers with them though, just to get that solid foundation, Shahinian Obelisk II. I’m now very happy.
Dave_b,  My man there isn`t a  box speaker on earth 12k. or under that reproduces music realistically as though your siting in the Lincoln center in Washington, DC or as you put it at the Village Vanguard.  Just think if you were in a concert hall would the music sound like it was coming from a box?  For heaven sakes no,  I`ve paid 250.00 of my hard earn dollars to hear a great musical it best not sound like its coming from a box.  The acoustics at the Vanguard isn`t that good a live recording the box speaker sound worst.   Once you`ve listen to the magneplanar`s (aka) maggies set up properly you would never ever want to listen to a box speaker again Corwalls, Klips, Wilson Audio Alexia 25k, Martin Logan`s, Gauder Berlina Akustic RC 9`s 75K.  know matter  the cost.  The best box speaker I have ever heard was the Tannoy Golden Seal`s I wouldn`t give up $2.00. for the Golden Seal`s or any other box speaker. For 6-7k you can pick a pair of maggies the 20.1`s  that will just blow you away given you have the room and the right amplification. I`m absolutely blown away with my Maggie 3.6`s (2) Velodyne 12inch. subs the Pass XP30 Preamp and the Pass butt kicking XP 350 Power amp.  If your hearts desire is to be at  the Village Vanguard mentally but actually at home weighing  in on your easy spot listening to your favorite artist follow the advise I promise you you won`t regret it.  I am so in love with magnepans I plan to build an addition on to my home a  35X35X12 room and purchase a Pair of 20.7`s; now if the LORD really really bless me I see the 30.7`s 30k  I`m speaking it into existence as though it is so Hebrews 11:1-10  Stay blessed.
What is in the rest of your system? Speakers alone cannot give you what you are looking for. It’s all about the synergy.
I am not familiar with all of those speakers. The Cornwall IV are very high sensitivity. Tannoys I believe are the same. But you should verify if you don’t already know. This is important bc you need to match your amp(s) with these speakers. I will say that if you want that holographic and wide soundstage with imaging and depth, a tube integrated or tube power amp(s) would be the way to go. I am a new convert to tubes. OMG. The above characteristics above are addicting! Sounds like what you want. Plus with even a low wattage tube amp you can drive those high sensitivity speakers with no effort. If you are solid state all the way the high sensitivity speakers will allow for use of a low watt ss amp like a First Watt class A amp. 
Your final pair?
What do you have now?
B’s or C’s?
Don’t over do it. D’s at a maximum. 
Just to add one more thing, JBL have never been and never will be Audiophile class speakers.Mid Fi at best.
Depends what your budget is. The Monitor audio gold 300 generation 5 are extremely good in all areas as are the Platinum 200's G2 and 300's G2.World class speakers.
Not sure the Cornwall IV will have enough detail for you coming from B&W. B&Ws are crazy detailed but kind of in a colored way of tipped up upper mids. The cornwalls are kind of nothing but the facts. The sound stage is also very different. 

My guess is on first listen you will not like the Cornwall IV. It will take some time to adjust to the different sound for sure so give them time if you try them. Local shop has both on the floor. 

The Tannoys I have heard are on the dark side of neutral and B&Ws are on the bright side. This might be too big of a change.


I see some people recommend the La scala. I find the La Scala very thin and lacking body. The Cornwall IV is much better to my ear. Heard both briefly in the same room same system.
"I don’t want to hear what the engineers hear after they mix a recording...I want to be in the studio when the tracks are being laid down!"

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Most expensive pair of Magneplanars that you can afford, classic Klipsch corner horns, stacked Wharfedale Linton Heritage (that’s my system, 2X in each room at the front, 1X in each rear corner as surround sound speakers, and a Klipsch center channel speaker. Fronts are driven by DIY tube mono-blocks and rears by a second set of the DIY mini-blocks. All of the mini-blocks are driven by a set of DIY tube preamplifiers. 
$12.5k is a good amount, especially if you consider used as well.
I would not rush with the decision, and yes, electronics is no less important. It is tough if you cannot audition what you would like to consider. Not everyone is running to buy Spatial Audio or Klipsch or JBL speakers.
What would I choose ? Not sure, but I would definitely go with lightly used or demo and so I would be looking at approximately $20k speakers.

I know what I am going to suggest will Probably get some interesting responses, but here we go.  I would seriously look at the Canadian Made Paradigm Persona 3F or 5F or 7F. Price, $10,000 and up.  Not only a great sounding speaker, but very attractive as well.

If you can afford a bit more $$ you could get the Yamaha NS-5000 speakers, I have heard them and for Jazz and blues music they are hard to beat in their price range.
Well, both speakers come with a 60 day return policy so if I don’t care for the SA X3’s I will try the CW4’s!
Sound Lab Majestic 545  in that price range. They would be my endgame (645 actually) speakers but are out of my price range. Best sounding speaker I ever heard. Maybe someday.

Cornwall IV great at their price point too, as they are so engaging, and just fun.
I would give a listen to a vintage jbl, electro voice, altec lansing, or a klipsch made before 1981 and you will hear all of that presence that you want and more do not waste all those thousands on the new stuff.
What’s your budget ? Look at Wilson Audio latest $18 k 
And exceptional , .if you have the space the great. Sound lab 
Electrostats., MBL 101-Great classic both of these speakers need 
lots of power . The Spatial Audio labs X3 best  value excellent sounding with powered subs included.
To my ears the Cornwall IV is more involving and sounds more like real music in the room. The X3s are great speakers and do so many things right, but the midrange just wasn’t convincing enough for me. YMMV.

But Clayton is a great guy and offers good products and great customer service. 
Oz


Leaning Spatial Audio X3’s...talked with Clayton for about an hour!  Great guy and very knowledgeable.
@dave_b Clayton will treat you right.
I’ve owned two on your list. The X3 is a great speaker but I let it go for the CW IV. 
Oz