Has anyone here had any dealings with Tekton, particularly their subwoofers

@deep_333

You’re asking me? Ask ASR, they wrote the tests.

Me, I’m against removing comments (not 100% sure you’re accusing me of it, but it sure sounds like it).

You write what you write because you think it’s valuable or righteous or smart or clever, and it deserves to be kept in public view for all to make up their own minds on the matter. If your prose gets binned, it’s not on me.

@devinplombier +10

Mike

@ditusa - 500,  Could that be you? 

If anyone is interested, here is the uncut version:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/tekton-m-lore-speaker-review.48732/

You don’t need to read many of the 137 pages to realize that, as is most often the case with real life, things are not 100% black and white.

@devinplombier

You are the guy assigned to this fourm for ASR defense, huh? Ok, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THIS TECHNICS DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT

AND WHY THIS REVEL MADE THE CUT (golfing panther n all)

P.S. Whichever ASR dude reports this comment as violating some forum rule (Don’t i know how you operate)...., no worries, i’ll get a hold of the admin and bring it back this time, i promise.

Tekton has 40 years of audio engineering knowledge.i have had several conversations with him about design,measurements,crossovers ect.he has a vast wealth of knowledge.i have seen his factory and how he does things.very honest in my opinion.just as the tour through ps audio ,Paul answered all my questions and explained how he sourced his products and the science behind it.he is real both of them are.paul showed me some of the prototypes they were developing.chris is very experienced as well.his father was in some very prominent audio companies.the apple does not fall far from the tree.i only hope these people continue to engineer and manufacture products to improve the joy and mental stimulation.go listen for yourself and I highly recommend  visiting these places.enjoy the music and life 

@devinplombier +10

Mike

If anyone is interested, here is the uncut version:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/tekton-m-lore-speaker-review.48732/

You don't need to read many of the 137 pages to realize that, as is most often the case with real life, things are not 100% black and white.

ASR guy's narrative is fake...Only the Harman stuff (for which he’s a dealer for) is worth buying, apparently.

This is false, actually. In fact I just read an ASR review written by Amir himself that thoroughly trashes a Harman Group product. It was surprising too, because the Venu360 is generally well-regarded by folks who do audio for a living. 

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/dbx-driverack-venu360-review-audio-processor.22497/

@livinon2wheels yes, check out REL. Their ads are a little pretentious, "At REL we only make subwoofers so we are the best at them"...whatever. But they are noted to maybe be a step up in both price and audio quality (more texture) compared to say, SVS. But for me, I'll probably get a SVS sub (the SB2000 Pro) and call it a day for my living room. REL does make some vintage looking subs with great specs that might match your decor better (wooden ones). Pretty things. WAF guaranteed.

@moonwatcher I can't speak to whether Eric is high strung or not, he and I exchanged an email or two and he seemed normal enough in that limited contact.

@jayctoy I have seen other favorable comments about Rel so they are definitely worth checking out. Thank you for the info.

I see them advertised in Stereophile but never heard any since you can only buy direct. A coworker got a pair of the Mini Lore Monitor speakers to give to his son for Christmas in that bright blue finish for him to use in his garage.  My friend is an audiophile and got them out and played them for several days to break them in for his son. He was pretty happy with their sound. $700. He thinks his son will be very happy, especially with how loud they will play without distortion and without having to have a $2000 amp to drive them. 

Is Eric (the owner and designer of Tekton) high-strung? Didn't he threaten a few YouTube flunkies with being sued because of a bad review of some of his other speakers? I can't remember. But even so, my friend thought he was great about communicating when the speakers would be shipped and all that. Plus my friend said they came boxed better than some speakers he has bought costing about $5K.  

Op thanks for your response. Rhytmik are good. I have one. Rel are on sale at TMr audio,com . Check them out.

@deep_333 Thanks for the link for the rythmik F18 sub that looks like a solid possibility. A pair of those should do a decent job of energizing my theater room. Certainly gonna put those on the list. The ascendos, if you look at the specs are 15 db down at 30 Hz, so they wouldnt be on my list.

@devinplombier The lack of distribution in the US is a non starter for me...there are enough things to juggle to try to get a house back in livable condition that taking on the hassle of trying to get something shipped from across the pond kills that as an acceptable situation.

@mark200mph - my dad was a physicist too :) and I agree that we should just enjoy the music. God knows there is enough good music to listen to I will never hear it all.

@livinon2wheels 

Also from Germany is Geithain, which is an extremely well regarded audio brand in Europe. Ex-GDR, been around forever, very old school. Here are their subwoofers. They’re cardioid, so less likely to suffer boundary interference response issues therefore easier to place and get right.

Geithain has no distribution / service in the US and word is that it’s kind of a labor of love to get their speakers over here, although some folks successfully have.

Good luck with your search!

My negative comments were based on appearance only...and were intended to be funny.

@livinon2wheels Many Tekton models (not all) with the different color combinations look like some expression of modern art to me, quirky not ugly. Oddly, my spouse liked the look of the double impacts I had in the past (!!) though it was in my office room. She thought the array looked like a flower.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder perhaps. For example, here is a guy sitting in front of some of the ugliest speakers on earth (in my eyes) saying that the look of Tekton speakers could be improved . Go figure.

https://youtu.be/pV237KJMw5k?si=EB_kHunCjE_A5w7U

Any thoughts on subs with serious infransonic output?

Rythmik F18, 18inch sealed servo sub or G25HP (dual opposed 15 inch, runner up)...Slamfest down to ~10 hz, but, very much a high fidelity sub without taking too much space or costing anything. I use a couple of these in a hybrid rig.

https://www.rythmikaudio.com/F18.html

if your wallet or space is not an issue, ascendo from Germany should fit the ticket. The subs can get huge, infrasonic for days.

https://www.aia-cinema.com/products/subwoofers.html

OP good luck on your search. BTW before you start trashing a speaker brand maybe you should listen to it first. 

@jayctoy Hey thanks for that Jay.

I have read this entire thread and considered advice given by those that were kind enough to respond to my questions. I also spent quite a bit of time on Tekton's website looking at their various models and my sense of their product line, after reading responses here and looking at their offerings, is that their real forte, pardon the pun, is LOUDspeakers, with an emphasis on high efficiency much more than wide bandwidth. Not saying that is wrong, as there are certainly benefits to that approach, but it doesn't line up for me as the right place to draw the line for home audio speakers. Granted this is my opinion and for those that draw the line that represents the trade-off between bandwidth and efficiency in a different place, that's fine, there is room in this pursuit of great sound for as many different approaches as there are people on the planet. I prefer to trade some efficiency for bandwidth, knowing that the extra cost in amplifier power to make up the difference is the price paid for that choice. Since the system I am ultimately building must serve dual purpose, that is, movie/tv and music too, even with full range speakers for LF and RF, I will still want/need a subwoofer or two or more for LFE while watching movies. That said, I was attracted to tekton's subs due to their high efficiency until one person's comment indicated there was not much output below 30 Hz. I am looking for real serious infra-sonic output and support for a true full range system. I am giving serious consideration to SVS's new 17" sub as the answer for that. It certainly gets rave reviews and if its a step up (as it seems to be) from their very good PC2000 Pros then I am likely all in. Other considerations are PSA 18" or 21 IPAL and monoprice. I have some time before this decision needs to be made but giving it serious thought beforehand seems prudent. Any thoughts on subs with serious infransonic output?

Op glad to see you back. 

@2psyop Your comment about me is unappreciated and inaccurate. Please resist the urge to criticize others in a direct personal way until you know them well enough that it won't be perceived as slanderous. My negative comments were based on appearance only...and were intended to be funny. In no way was I impugning the sound quality as I have never had the experience of hearing them in person. They LOOK different enough from conventional designs to poke fun at, but it certainly wasn't malicious. Your assumption that it was is both wrong and insulting.

I have Tekton speakers. I have grills… I put on them. They look like 90% of all other speakers out there in hifi land. Not liking the way the speakers look without grills is kinda silly to me.

@incorrigable the drivers are "off the rack" but he goes through many tweeters to find matched responses, and bins the other ones.  Not exactly the most environmentally friendly way to go about it, but I can't argue with the sound. 

@larsman I thought the same thing, but in person is a lot different than seeing pictures online.  In a dark cabinet, the seven tweeters aren't that noticeable.  I understand if you want really pretty boxes that put out decent sound.  I'd rather have speakers that sound like heaven than look like it.  And ofc beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I think they look solid in person.  A subjective matter regardless

@deep_333 yes, this is exactly what compelled me to give them a try.  At the time he recommended running a dbx crossover which added noise to my signal chain. It was before he started selling amp plated subs or I may have considered along with the wires taking months to get to me.  Spreading out the bass vertically like in the 4-10 or 6-10 certainly can help with nodes.  That being said, my frequency response is quite good with two F12 rhythmiks near the middle of the room.  My room is fully treated 16.5' x 13' with 10' ceilings

@devinplombier + 1 I would never, ever buy from a company that threatened reviewers with legal action. While I could afford their gear, I would never buy anything from dCS for that reason.

I've never heard Tekton speakers so I'll say nothing about the sound, but it would be pointless to do so as I'd never let anything that looked like those anywhere near my house. Aesthetics are subjective and a matter of preference and importance to different people, and to my sense of aesthetics, Tektons are appalling. But if you like how they look, great; that's what's important!  

I have had their OB Sigma speakers for about six years. I consider them an ingenious design that simply never caught on. They are in the master suite, driven by a Peachtree Carina 300. It's an independent thinking speaker company with some very compelling deals. Cabinets are sturdy but not boutique. Drivers are artfully arrayed but off the rack. 

"thank you all for your comments and ideas. And the info about Amir and Tekton's squabble. It puts things in perspective for me. You guys may have saved me a great deal of heartache and trouble."

That comment in no way jives with the other responses.

+1 @corelli .

To end my rant, I was going to buy subs but after the months of waiting on the wires and being told they’d ship immediately, I was a little soured on them for my subs and went with rhythmiks instead, which I HIGHLY recommend for subs. Would love to hear a pair of 4-10s or 6-10s but felt I’d get a smoother experience with rhythmik. For what it’s worth, with my tektons tops and rhythmik bottoms, I’m at +/-3 DB frequency response from 25 hz to 20 khz at my listening position with limited room EQ. Tekton has a pair of 4-10s on their specials for $1700. Definitely tempting... but I do love my rhythmiks

@jrareform Hard to beat out Rythmiks in the sub world, but, the tekton subs with a driver at head height and above do help deal with some heightwise & coupled modes, even if someone doesn’t quite get the physics behind how they couple into a room. Otherwise, in many instances, one may need to start lifting a regular sub off the floor in a multisub config.

One may regularly see some Rel stacks that sum to a small fortune and continue to sound like mud, for example, in some of the ’high end’ rooms.... A single one of these Tektons has the potential to beat em all out in execution...(at normal listening levels for most guys, 85-ish db & under, that is)

I have Tekton double impacts and impact monitors.  Got the double impacts used and they crushed my existing speakers so much that I wanted to get the monitors as well.  Took a while to get but was expected,like 8 weeks after they initially said 6.  I ordered speaker cables and it took them months to send them after multiple promises to receive them.  They're a small company and I don't think they have enough employees it seems for customer service stuff.  They did send an extra pair of cables and apologized profusely, which is really nice I have to say.  I've since replaced those cables with better ones but they're nice as backups. 

To end my rant, I was going to buy subs but after the months of waiting on the wires and being told they'd ship immediately, I was a little soured on them for my subs and went with rhythmiks instead, which I HIGHLY recommend for subs.  Would love to hear a pair of 4-10s or 6-10s but felt I'd get a smoother experience with rhythmik.  For what it's worth, with my tektons tops and rhythmik bottoms, I'm at +/-3 DB frequency response from 25 hz to 20 khz at my listening position with limited room EQ.  Tekton has a pair of 4-10s on their specials for $1700.  Definitely tempting... but I do love my rhythmiks

Try listening to a pair. Bring your own CD. Turn them up. Make your own decision. Best advice I can give.

thank you all for your comments and ideas. And the info about Amir and Tekton's squabble. It puts things in perspective for me. You guys may have saved me a great deal of heartache and trouble.

I would love to have ASR Amir and Erin over at my place blindfolded

🤔

Is Corelli Carbon Miller?

Nope. Not enough nonsensical illogic in his post.

I look at Tekton and think of VMPS, a brand I was quite interested in as a young, strapped music lover. A big box brimming with lots of drivers. Having never heard a pair I can't comment on SQ, but I think 1 look would suggest what to expect them to sound like.  Many hi end speaker manufacturers design cabinets to the nth detail eliminating resonances, rounded edges and/or narrow front baffles to reduce diffraction, sloped front baffles to help time align drivers. Lets say the cabinet makes 10% of improved imaging and soundstage, but adds 50% to the cost...Is it worth it? how about a single dedicated midrange vs multiple tweeters handling the mids? Going with  Be tweeters add an awful lot to the cost of otherwise sensibly priced speakers.

ozzy62 said as much in many less words and with actual experience.  

"ASR basically trashed a Tekton speaker and Tekton threatened ASR with legal action."

How many times has ASR been called out for slander/libel/defamation/bad,faulty testing methods, etc...? Quite a few, and probably justifiably so.

"the question is whether you have much appetite to support bullying, intimidation and anti-competitive behavior with your dollars."

If ASR is against it, then I’m probably for it, lol. Not a fan of ASR’s BS. If you want an example of a group of arrogant, ignorant, self-righteous audio bullies, look no further than that place.

Back to Tekton: They’re a small company offering rather unique products at a good price. You pay your money and make your choice. Some people love them, some people don’t. I’m OK with that.

Life's way too short to argue the virtues or detriments of an audio product that I've never heard.

There are so many people on this forum who are, as Corelli has hinted, like little children. They don’t like something, so they bash it. The OP had already trashed Tekton speakers before he made this post asking about their subwoofers. My first post are HIS comments on another thread. So yes, he is gone…. Like a little child who can’t stand other opinions and just wants to trash what he doesn’t like. Maybe the OP will invent another user name and start trashing something else….

Looks like the OP vanished.  

Humm.  Wonder what this could be about.  Like we never have been down this road before.

I have never seen a pro/con article in science before? Having been raised by a nuclear physicists that lectured my constantly about controls references ,equasions,experiments gone wrong and how to find out why.measurements and variability in experiments.reproduction of data done by different scientists and differing outcomes.they all thought Einstein was nuts.didnt he get kicked out of school.dad was a 2nd gen trained Einstein physicists. He published got huge grants ,taught at universities. The simple solution is to call tekton.i have the equivalent of three ph.d ,I think in contrast bill gates and steve jobs didn't even graduate and look where there at and I'm sure they never had lawyers either.lets get along and enjoy the music .it calms the savage beast.

Is Corelli Carbon Miller?

I’d say the answer to that question is no.

Is Corelli Carbon Miller?

Tekton is known as much for the cretinous beef it got into with ASR as for its speakers. ASR basically trashed a Tekton speaker and Tekton threatened ASR with legal action. Hilariously Tekton itself brought up evidence during the process that the build quality of that particular speaker was indeed questionable, albeit not for the reasons ASR had written about. 

Threatening legal action on reviewers that don't love a product is not a honorable thing to do. It is also quite ill-advised, because it always ends up in PR disaster (yes, social media is a thing nowadays).

Latest in a parade of businesses that also includes dCS is heretofore obscure Tom Evans, maker of a $30,000 garbage phono preamp no one knew about until YouTuber Mend It Mark published a repair video of the preamp in question. Tom Evans judged the video disparaging and bullied Mend It Mark into taking it down. It worked at first (Mend It Mark took the video down), but look it up and see for yourself how well things are working out for Tom Evans now.

Back to Tekton, regardless of whether their speakers are any good, the question is whether you have much appetite to support bullying, intimidation and anti-competitive behavior with your dollars.

My two cents

I've bought from Tekton three times, The Perfect SET, Impact Monitors and some kind of center channel his was selling in ready to ship.   Two of the transactions went fine.  The Impact Monitor transaction did not.  Ordered them with grills.  The speakers showed up and the grills did not.  It took weeks to get the grills and when they arrived they didn't fit, too short by a fraction of an inch.   Let Tekton know and they said they would ship replacements.  After bugging them monthly for about 6 months and no replacements ever shipped, I just got a refund on the grills.   

So, my suggestion is to not get any Tekton speaker prepped for grills.   Eric Alexander still uses pin type grill mounts which suck.  He should have converted to magnetically mounted grills 15+ years ago like nearly every other speaker manufacturer has done.

Also, all eight feet receptacles came out of the speaker cabinets when I replaced them with higher quality GAIA feet.   Had to use glue on all eight inserts to reinstall them.  Not a good look on a pair of $3000 Impact Monitor speakers (they have bunch of factory upgrades).

That’s funny because we put some Magnepan LRS speakers in directly after the tektons and both felt that bass and dynamics notwithstanding, the Maggies were the better speaker. I’m not slamming the DIs, they were competent at everything, just not great.

I must say that the ulfberht are fantastic you can have them in beryllium ceramic or normal but they are big in size.read the review done by stero times. Enjoy the search and the music.

Not sure how those Double Impacts were set up, but in my dedicated audio room I have fantastic imaging and they float a very large and accurate soundstage.  They exceeded the Magnepans I had at the time which were quickly sold once the DI's were dialed in.

It all depends on your expectations and how high your bar is. I briefly owned the original Pendragons a few years ago and recently had a chance to spend a weekend with the Double Impacts. If you want a speaker that can fill a room with sound effortlessly at a relatively inexpensive price, look no further. But if you value imaging, a 3d soundstage and refinement, there are better choices. 
 

No free lunch or giant killers here. For my taste they are only “ok”, but not nearly as bad as some here would lead you to believe.

I would call tekton he can build you what you want.there are some prominent people who have his speakers.yes they are bang for the buck.he can put the best crossovers you can get he will customize for you.the paint is fantastic.now they do not have furniture grade wood like my kharma,focal utopia,or several screws like my magico q7 but they weren't 30 x the price either.i have woofers he custom made that for sound I would put against the top of the line.he uses high end components if you want beryllium  componinents  if you want that upgrade.beryllium is light fast and responsive.momentum is mass x velocity and because it is light it's fantastic. I have all his top of the line speakers and find them great.just call him.enjoy the music and the adventure.

Since they are a manufacturer direct company (no dealer in the middle, adding another 50%, 60%, etc to the price tag), their speakers and subs can represent great value.

I had a pair of double impacts inside a larger office room for a while in my former house. I still have their 4-10 subwoofers, currently in storage due to lack of space. It is an excellent subwoofer for music and all other applications.

Echoing another comment above, their customer service is good.

Call Erik on Saturday morning, He will explain to you whatever your questions. I have Tekton speakers. I like them. I don’t have his subwoofer.

I own(ed) a pair of Tektons, but not their subwoofers.

Decent speakers, some people swear by them. Great bang for your buck. It’s nice that you can get them customized and in any finish you want. Most people who $hit on them usually haven’t even heard them, so bear that in mind. Disparaging a company just seems to be some people’s MO....

I never had any issues dealing with Tekton, they were responsive and timely, so I’d say good customer service. You can either call them, but I found email was the way to go.

I got rid of my Tektons simply because I outgrew them, sonically. I had upgraded my amplification, preamplification, sources, etc....and they just weren’t giving me the sound I was looking for, so I let my son-in-law "borrow" them (probably permanently). He loves them.

Hope that helps.