There’s a certain member here, I think we all know who I am talking about, who continues to be little everyone else here with their rude and condescending remarks. He continually tries to insult and creat strife and division. It is not healthy for productive conversations or for the site. Why will the moderators allow this poison to ruin the site? They are turning people off from coming here and trying to start positive, useful content.
It’s a cancer that should be removed otherwise it’s going to have detrimental effects on this site. Is that so hard to understand for the moderators?
Tammy is so incredibly helpful but I don’t understand why this negative behavior is allowed to continue and fester...
I have only been reading this Forum for a very short time and this is my first posting. Depending on the response, it may be my last.
I’m glad you’re having this discussion and please allow me to offer my humble opinion and perspective as a newcomer. My very first read was about an article that appeared in the NYT about a high quality vinyl producer from Britain. The discussion, from the very first reply, quickly disintegrated into a rant by one individual, using thinly veiled memes from one political side, into a vehicle to disparage the Times in general.
I thought to myself “Hmm, maybe I should go back to reading Vinyl Engine or Audiokarma...”
You guys do have a problem at Audiogon, and you’re putting off newcomers. Whomever moderates this site needs to get more involved, pronto!
@oldhvymec, I have p.m.’d the specific user beforehand (why the presumption on your part that I didn’t?).
To my knowledge, its not within audiogons guidelines to call out individuals by name. I’d rather not do that anyhow because I figured that most would have known who I was talking about. Interesting that there seems to be at least 2 or more people that fit this description well yet are allowed to continue on with belittling positive contributors to this site (and some of those positive contributors are big contributors to the industry as well)
I would have ZERO issues with this person if I thought they were being sarcastic and funny (shoot, I’d even join in) but it really doesn’t appear that way to me (or from numerous others who respond to his posts and who appear to be pretty intelligent, from what I gather).
Differences of opinion are essential for making progress and are welcomed. Telling people that they are all idiots, stupid and dumb while offering nothing at all of value is destructive and counterproductive.
One person, not multiple people, stated “I hope its not me” with tongue in check, I presume, because as far as I know, he gets along with others just fine.
I agree with many things you said; many valid points! I agree that if you don’t like a post, don’t read it and move on. The problem is when the individual posts on your thread, insulting you and everyone else, and derailing a constructive thread. As stated earlier, it should not be our responsibility nor do I want that responsibility, to police others here. If you make an insulting comment here or there, whatever. If it is every time, like clockwork, not whatever.
”praise in public, chew in private” 👍 excellent advice. I will carry this forward with me; Thank You 😁
I am a strong supporter in free speech and freedom in general. Where and how do we draw the line when people use free speech to continually put others down, insult others intelligence, and bring strife and division?
Is it acceptable for a man to stand outside of an elementary school blurting out profanities to children? Is it acceptable for people to use their free speech to insult others based on race, religion, age, social status? I think “safe spaces” are a joke but I also think that it isn’t appropriate to do any of the fore mentioned examples. I’m not saying that the person I’m upset with did any of the aforementioned things, but they do continually and blatantly say that everyone here, and in the industry is an idiot and that he is the only worthy “great one”. They time and time again refer to themselves in the third person as “the great one” and that we all, everyone here, everyone in the industry is a stupid idiot and that only he is worthy. Thats fine. They can say and believe what they want but when is enough enough? Why should dozens of positive, polite, cordial, educated, informative and helpful people need to go away so that 1 or 2, destructive, negative, self grandiose, pompous, belittling people can carry on with their destruction here?
I already asked the moderators to delete this thread, both in this thread and via pm...
I am a believer and I understand well how prayer works. I am very careful how and what I ask God for. I’m not a follower of a God who takes peoples vision away when his followers pray to not see any more evil in this world.
It would be my bet, oldhvymec, that you and I have much more in common than we have in differences.
If I don’t get banned from Audiogon (which I hope I don’t) I will move forward in a different way and do my best not to get wrapped up in all the negativity.
Dekay, Correct, very good memory!! I now recall Mr T alluding that he was an audio reviewer. I once ommented back to him, "come on, and I bet you don't even own a racket". HA
mapman To keep forums constructive, maybe Agon could start a new chat category called “Nonsense” For cases where one must talk but have nothing constructive to say.
>>>>>They could do what Audio Asylum does and send them directly to Whiners Road. 😫
The only thing I find wrong at Agon is OP feel it necessary to tell others of their, distaste for a person or a "type of person", that post. Why not name the individual. You can PM the person or persons and speak your mind. You choose NOT to. A few chimed in and said "I hope it’s not me".
I’m glad you came to my rescue, I needed a young whipper snapper to straighten my kind out.. Thanks it’s like a shot of Geritol. Let make some wind!!! Ahhhhh! Now onward..
Self aggrandizing is what OP is doing also, saying others should follow the leader and WHAT? If I couldn’t read my own post, what would I do? If you don’t like reading others post, THEN DON’T READ THEM..Read your own... Really read your own post.... Reflect a bit....
Admin should have posted in private to the OP. The young will learn. Praise in public, chew in private... Trying to do a job? Must have struck a nerve. Keep on trying Admin, your getting better...
Op, why the sudden change of heart... You were so brash, and passionate, What happened...? LOL
My mother, God rest her soul. Use to tell me "be careful what you pray for you might just get it"
"I can’t stand reading that stuff" from that so and so.. Be careful, God may let something happen, where you can’t read it for a while. I’ll bet you’d have a whole new appreciation for being able to read the gobbledygook from "Old What His Name", then.
Be careful what you pray for you might just get it....
I’m glad I could speak my mind, hopefully with respect for OP and others.
To keep forums constructive, maybe Agon could start a new chat category called “Nonsense” For cases where one must talk but have nothing constructive to say.
I'm amazed at the response from the Admin here. Dismissing the need for this discussion.
You have a concerned citizen arguing that there is a issue in the community (which might agree or disagree with), but decide there is no need for the discussion. Yet, we shouldn't censor others in the name of letting any discussion happen.
Confused.
And as mentioned somewhere, you will be loosing a lot of the silent readers or the occasional posters and this will turn into a small group of vocal arguers... not so much fun.
I believe the constant injections of political judgments and viewpoints should be categorically banned. They fly in the face of the mission of this board. We shouldn't have to lodge a complaint everytime someone posts a divisive political statement.
Fair point op. I cringe for the newcomer to the forum and the hobby who innocently or simply incorrectly poses a question and is subsequently flamed. I have often wondered if the flamer has curried special favor with administration or is simply making up for their own insecurity in a mid/late life crisis red sports car kind of way. As Clint Eastwood so eloquently put it, " Callahan, You know my record? Yeah, you're a legend in your own mind".
Let's not turn this place into another Audio Circle. Heavy handed moderation can stifle a forum. Some good spirited sparring makes the place more interesting. And if you can't take some jabs, the internet is no place for you. I hope Audiogon doesn't become a "safe space" where every comment is so sterilized and there can be no disagreement and no colorful banter, within reason, of course.
Zero tolerance on AC. To the point of being ridiculous. Not here I say.
Just a sporadic poster here:...I don’t have a problem at all with the pronounced differences of opinion on audio products/music, even to the point of “All X drive widgets are junk. You must buy a Z drive widget.”. It’s what makes for interesting conversation, IMO. A line does get crossed when a member gets bird-dogged by self-appointed bandwidth policemen (I.e., “You asked that same question in 2015, you know...”). A lot of us in this hobby aren’t twenty somethings anymore and can be a tad forgetful. Get a life...
This an audio/ stereo/ component type based forum. I dislike intensely posters who post for the sake of posting. There are an enormous number of topics and subjects to be able to contribute to, however we need contributors to stay within the expectations of the users of the forum. I expect the administrators would agree. I would like contributions to stay within the poster’s topic/ question. There are some that abuse the privilege and unfortunately we cannot exclude them. Best that we ignore them by simply ignore or bypass their posts. 🇦🇺
Kenjit isn’t offensive, just a little crazy. My only issue with most threads is they devolve WAY off topic into silliness. Every forum has “that guy”. Just is what it is...
I miss the guy who was instructing everyone to sell their Class A, A/B amps because the unstoppable future of Class D would be upon us within months thereby rendering the rest of our archaic technology to junk - stating we'd be lucky to get the price of scrap metal for non-Class D gear.
I'd find the people who are constantly predicting the world is ending more credible if they had a stronger track record ;-)
I don't get bogged down in the sparring, and I can get a kick out of spirited repartee. I have some regret about not being able to participate more because others have so much more knowledge and experience with equipment that I will likely never own. But that makes this forum interesting as well, as there is some much to learn. I appreciate the help of other members who have helped me with some equipment and room arrangement suggestions.
I believe MrTennis went on to do some work (legal?) for the past owners of this site, so elected to discontinue in the forum. (unless I'm thinking of someone else)
So here's the rub: this person you refer to is all you ascribe to him. Yet at the same time he will offer up cogent, accurate, and helpful information borne of a deep perspective on audio (especially analog).
I wish he didn't poison the well of so many threads. It's as if he has to be the first voice and then ignores whatever echoes he's created.
Administration offered and asked you take this up with them. Yes, you were able to get another shot in at airing your laundry with the group. Some here do agree, but that's as far as you'll get. This thread will likely get deleted now. At most the offender may be banned, but then just come back under another alias. Like an infection that come's back. All is good!
b_limo, sorry for my ID misspelling. It HONESTLY was an error that I missed. It seem's that spellcheck has it's own sense of pun humor. (as in your injury:)
Our community here is like a microcosm of the world. I enjoy the different and differing personalities. Some may be having a hard day or harder decade. I don't give rabble rousers any attention, or just a quick comeback joke that maybe I'll only get myself. b_limb, take care of your leg (recent injury) But I'm actually referring to your good one.... because if that one goes you'll really be stuck! Maybe take an aspirin and feel better soon!
Strong opinions come with the territory. But, the personal insults and no respect for others opinions shouldn't be allowed in this forum. Other forums I frequent have a code of conduct posted.
I understand where you're coming from b-limo. The a'gon forum attracts a higher percentage of bloviating, condescending, know-it-alls than other audio hobby sites.
I believe this is due to the fact that the site serves as a revenue generating gear sales site, that just happens to have a forum attached to it in order to keep viewers coming back. Whereas other audio forums are moderated by and for the benefit of hobbyists that may or may not have a classifieds section contained within.
Ironically, the members with the higher post counts are the ones who offer the least helpful information. Their "contributions" are typically thinly veiled opportunities to belittle others. Fortunately the patterns are easy to spot and their posts easy to skip over. But, a block poster function could go a long way to improve the experience.
Also, don't let this get to you. Next to cosplay, this is about the dorkiest hobby out there. Great sound is well... great, but its not worth stressing over. Explore some of the other forums, i'm sure you'll find a few you like.
“when there is a pattern of destructive conduct it’s up to everyone to use that button to help point it out”
+1, mapman.
@b_limo,
Good analogy, I understand where you coming from. I think I know who you’re referring to...sadly with this member it’s always going to be his way cause he’s been there and done it all.
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