The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
@tommlion04-20-2018 11:28pm It's not about trying something to see if it works for you. One only needs to go to your favourite HiFi store to try gear out. Not always do we walk back out with something. The more a product is stuffed down your throat, the less persuasive is the argument for the product. I still do not have an eloquent answer for why fuses or graphene at the ends of contact points work in the way of the lord. Next we will have sponsors walking on water. I have heard to many spruikers, and have been ripped off by very few, to swallow the fuse and TC goo story. |
amg56 I still do not have an eloquent answer for why fuses or graphene at the ends of contact points work in the way of the lord. Next we will have sponsors walking on water. >>>I’m pretty sure we’ve established that Graphene is not utilized at the end points. If I am not mistaken we’ve also established it is not used to enhance conductivity of the fuse. amg56 I have heard to many spruikers, and have been ripped off by very few, to swallow the fuse and TC goo story. >>>>Folks would be generally much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little. It’s customary to wait until after the test results before making one’s mind up so irreversibly. 🤓 |
My friend/manufacturer thinks graphene is a joke, TC is a joke, SR HFTs, Blackbox and Atmosphere are jokes BUT he absolutely is convinced that the SR fuse and duplexes are NO JOKES. This is a guy who wouldn't listen to CDs until 15 years ago when he rebuilt a CD player to make CDs sound like analog (we both agree on that and have huge collections of CDs and records-OP is using his rebuilt CD player). He doesn't know why the fuse makes a difference except for the possibility that the SR fuse transfers more A/C current through than a cheap, thin wired fuse. He proved that by using a circuit breaker (he didn't know whether it is magnetic or thermal type) with a large contact area that works as good as an SR Blue fuse. |
amg56 @geoffkait I think there are more who are not using SR fuses for the reason of no proof than the few spruiking them on this thread. Same with TC. >>>>Do you mean proof or evidence? There is evidence that something is going on. What proof is there of anything in this hobby? What would constitute proof? I haven’t seen any factual industrial or scientific proof on either products. Just a lot of here-say. I asked for proof and got nothing. Do you have it? >>>>>I’m afraid that’s often the case with new tweaks. There’s no proof. You call it here-say (sic). I call it evidence. We get a lot of demands fior proof these days, it seems. Relax, this isn’t rocket science or a cure for cancer we’re talking about. It might be a good idea to do some due diligence on the subject before clos8ng your mind. You apparently are still unaware of what Graphene actually is. |
Just another bit of "snake oil" you fuser’s need so you get those pesky fuses burnt in before the 30 day return period runs out. Good luck with that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud2n7Mut13s Cheers George |
amg56 @geoffkait Obviously you don’t either. I heard it’s a trade secret, until our Eastern friends copy it. >>>>Another clue for you all. Some users of TC have painted the end caps of their Blue Fuses for further gains in performance. So, obviously SR does not (rpt not) apply Graphene to the fuse caps, either inside or outside the fuse. Ah, sweet mystery of life. Was the person you heard it’s a trade secret from also a civil engineer? An Australian? 😁 Another clue for you all. The Walrus was Paul. Our Eastern friends? You mean in New Jersey? 😀 Next up, multiple choice? |
🐑 georgehifi Just another bit of "snake oil" you fuser’s need so you get those pesky fuses burnt in before the 30 day return period runs out. Good luck with that. Settle down, George. I tried reversing the 4 stock fuses in my 5-year old Fulton speakers to establish their directionality. I was thus able to establish the correct direction for all 4 fuses. No big deal. So I absolutely doubt that age has anything to do with it. How about them 🍎 🍏 🍎? Maybe you could try coming up with a dopier theory. Don’t follow leaders, watch the parkin’ meters. |
fleschler My friend/manufacturer thinks graphene is a joke, TC is a joke.....BUT he absolutely is convinced that the SR fuse and duplexes are NO joke. He doesn’t know why the fuse makes a difference except for the possibility that the SR fuse transfers more A/C current through than a cheap, thin wired fuse. He proved that by using a circuit breaker (he didn’t know whether it is magnetic or thermal type) with a large contact area that works as good as an SR Blue fuse. >>>>We already know a few reasons why fancy fuses are no joke. There is really no reason for speculation any more. Using a circuit breaker doesn’t prove anything. There are many explanations why circuit breakers might be better than fuses. We already knew that. We already know that eliminating the fuse/fuse holder is better than any fuse, too. And that bipassing the fuse with a solid fat wire is better, well, maybe. Better than a stock fuse, anyway. That your friend would think Graphene is a joke seems a little odd. Most people grasp that concept pretty easily. Must be the audio manufacturer syndrome I was talking about. 😀 Here’s the link to the wiki page on Graphene applications. Now your friend has something to go on. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_applications_of_graphene Your humble scribe |
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I have just ordered some of the Blue fuses. I have never experimented with fuses before, so this will be a new experience for me. I'm hoping that fuse replacement is a good as is mentioned on these pages. I plan to replace the stock fuses in my ARC LS-27, and my Manley Steelhead, and am anxiously awaiting delivery. My thoughts are that the relatively low cost of this tweak, in relation to the components price points, is insignificant, so what do I have to lose. If I hear improvements, great. If not, no big deal, I'm not out that much $$ |
🐑 gdhal @geoffkait I note you had a post of mine removed. It gets under your skin when I write the truth, hey? 😏 Why would I do that, spaceman? I oft get a chuckle, unintended though it may be, from your posts. Is it true when you lie your pants really are on 🔥? Plus it gives me a reason to call someone a knucklehead. I get the feeling there’s a vacation in your future. 🏄♂️ |
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david_ten - @crazyeddy Cool. Look forward to hearing your take. +1 However, there is something that IMO crazyeddy should keep in mind. And that would be there are plenty of non-favorable words mentioned in this thread, in addition to the favorably words he/she eludes to. Succinctly, please be reminded that you also should have read that expectation bias is at play. Therefore, please be honest with yourself, which realistically can only happen given a blind test. |
Timely tip: For anyone with Graphene contact enhancer, I still can’t bring myself to say Total Contact, whoops!, and ANY fuse, including a stock fuse, that is NOT an SR Black or Blue Fuse, paint the middle circumference of the fuse body with a thin layer of product, using care not to paint near the fuse caps, obviously, since the product is conductive. You do not have to remove the fuse, as least I don’t think you do. If you haven’t done the fuse caps, now is the time. |
Well here goes Back home today from a week working in Orange County and both my new OPPO UDP205 and SR Blue fuse were waiting for me. Inserted said Blue into Goldnote PH-10 phono stage and left it on just to warm through a bit. Played vinyl I am very familiar with and...... IMHO there is an increased feel of depth to the music overall, female vocals and acoustic guitars have more definition, bass just feels tighter, not deeper or louder but, well just more. Instruments seem easier to pick out of the mix, more defined overall. Really hard to describe adequately but a definite improvement all round, and this is brand new out of the box, 1 hour play time. Ok, set, go......... |
Nice to hear uberwaltz. Good on you for trusting your ears. Many people don't do that today to their detriment. When I was young and my mom called me for dinner I had to trust my ears or you know what? I had to take expectation bias in, the you know what, the rear bias tester. And I swear I could feel that in the rear bias tester, even then I knew it was just expectation bias. Anyway I have been trusting my ears all these years and my system also sounds better with the SR fuses and I just have a black one and two reds. Like some others I don't have and am not going to get any test equipment. If others would like some kind of a more extensive test I hope they do that to satisfy their curiosity. My curiosity doesn't need it. I asked myself and it said 'No just doesn't need it'. I figured out even if I did do all these tests-jack and jill, measurement ones and so on, my ears, the two I have on the side of my head for listening, would be the final testing device. Does that make sense to let you ears be the final testing device for a listening activity? Isn't the music made for your ears? If you design a piece of equipment in a sound way, can you make adjustments by ear for it to be more pleasing? Hmmm? Well I am not the sharpest tool in the box but that makes sense to me. I really don't care what you call it, voodoo dust, fairy smoke, snake lotion, horse man... . Whatever it is is sure sounds good. |
Mike Glad there are still a few like minded sane souls left in here. I have always trusted my ears first, I have returned speaker cables before as I did not like the new "tone". I would not have hesitated one minute to do the same with fuses if I had not perceived a SQ improvement. 3 blacks, 1 blue, ALL raised my system Sq to some degree. Considering the thousands you can spend on cables, new equipment etc, a couple hundred on fuses? I will take it any day! |
georgehifi Geoffkait: “paint the middle circumference of the fuse body with a thin layer of product, using care not to paint near the fuse caps...” What will this "snake oil" do????, it can’t be an RF shield without the Graphene coating being earthed to chassis/mains ground, and to do that would be highly dangerous. >>>>>Baloney, George. It’s not always necessary to ground the shield. This is one of those times? The Graphene shield is not long enough to act like an antenna. That’s why the SR Fuses don’t have to be grounded either. Capish? |
Hi Geoff, back to the graphene. My friend states that since it is only 1 atom thick, it can't possibly be effective or incorporated into a silver based paste and remain 1 atom thick. He states that the exterior paste once applied is like graphite, looks and feels like graphite. He doesn't want anyone to use it on his 99% silver RCA connectors for his ICs. He doesn't believe in micro-arching on the scale that disrupts the audio signal. He said it shouldn't be a big problem for higher voltage connectors such as speaker wire and A/C plugs but hates the stuff in general. I am only relating what this cable manufacturer says. Otherwise, he's brilliant and designs tremendously musical equipment and cables for affordable prices. He's a stubborn guy, so for him to admit the obvious difference in fuses and their directionality is significant. |
Looks like it's back to what's real, and not in someones mind eye. The only reason to change a $2 fuse, just replace it with a new $2 one. Mapman inadvertently is agreeing with what really happens to a partially melted fuse, it's called ageing. Good for you. Cheers George |
This will be my last post on fuses and Graphene/TC or what our supposed US compatriots call them. We go to war together and watch each others backs. I write a reasonable question on AudioGon and get stabbed in the back, insulted without apology by a nasty few (I we know who they are) for asking "where's the proof". At least I apologise if I am out of the respectable line. You few have no respect at all. Good luck to you. Strewth wud epm ear? Sumnubbady nose or dimention it. Om oiz srenna by eediots. Wassa mare view. Oil ave a decko on m'a ornry stro. Reckon os ya peck o' baastuds. Gotta go ya eejuts, salada! |
^^^ amg56 ... Again, for us non-technical folks our "opinion" is based on what we hear. We are not neophytes in the hobby either. 40+ years for me. I can clearly recognize an improvement in SQ ... or a degradation as well. I agree with you that not all tweaks work. Some degrade, some improve and others do nothing at all. I find it very interesting that the folks who are naysayers have never tried either the Blue fuses or TC. I don't understand how one can come to conclusion that something is "bunk," or "snake oil" without trying it for themselves. I hope that I wasn't one who offended you. If so, be assured that that wasn't my intent at all. Take care ... Frank |
Again, for us non-technical folks our "opinion" is based on what we hear.Just because you say it, doesn’t mean people should do it. As your saying it with your zero technical cred and zero backing from SR, it’ll be like the self professed leader below saying follow me. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0OyA7IopgoE/WlYv3MPbVlI/AAAAAAAAokE/3qX_JRui7nwQh0uYZIGK6dA6gCXQUItgQCLcB... Cheers George |
It would be nice for you to have some perspective. You come in, very late in the discussion, thinking what you've said is news to the rest of us. Do yourself a big favor and read all the posts on fuses and you'll see that what you offer has been talked to death already. It's like your George's twin, separated at birth. Just because you say it, doesn’t mean people should do itNeed I say that it goes both ways? All the best, Nonoise |
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Yes George, except it isn’t just me saying it. The positive responses here on A’gon toward the SR Blue fuses and Tim Mrock’s TC have been overwhelming. And by the way George, the "cartoon" you provided the link for gives great insight into why you have the attitude you do. You couldn’t have exposed yourself in any better way. Knowing what we’re dealing with makes it much easier to understand exactly where you’re coming from. Thanks for posting it. Frank |
