I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
I think you’ll find 99% of people with a bit of common sense would go with electronic reasoning, and scientific knowledge over any "snake oil" any day. The 1% are the ones you want. Especially when the comments on the magnitude of sound quality increase, and directional-ability of these >$150 fuses are not backed up personally by the manufacturer, to give you guys any cred.
This is not a murder trial. It’s an audio hobby. Hel-loo! We don’t require PROOF. In a court of law PROOF is desirable but not required “Proof” doesn’t necessary win the case, either. Proof can be shot down. Proof can be subjective. The glove thing, remember? 🥊 The case won’t even go to the District Attorney unless there is a “lot of evidence,” you know, multiple eye witnesses, blood evidence, etc. The jury and judge examine the EVIDENCE. They don’t examine proof. Here in the fuse thread the evidence is not examined, it’s ignored. Hel-loo!
In audio we look for evidence, too. But we don’t need look for or expect proof in audio. Evidence in audio usually means user testimony, measurements, technical explanation/description, listening tests. It could be simply the buzz that convinces a potential customer. But proof is simply NOT something audiophiles require or expect. Besides what proof would these died-in-the-wool naysayers believe? Probably none. Nada. Zippy dee doo dah. That’s why almost everybody and his brother offers a 30 day money back guarantee. We already know nothing works in all systems OR to the same degree. Hel-loo! The preponderance of the evidence here in the case of Mr. Fuse is around 75,000 to 100. That’s beyond a reasonable doubt.
Sorry George But my whole life and work is based around common sense and practical application. I definitely do not fall into your 1% category. What I do have is a pair of fully functional ears..... Try a pair.....
Say you flip this argument around. The premise being there is a mountain of irrefutable evidence; verifiable and measurable data proving without question that these fuses will enhance the sound quality of your system. You buy them and install them. You turn on your system, put on your favorite song and....nothing different. You hear no discernible improvement whatsoever. You try another song using a different source. Still nothing. To your ears, your system sounds exactly as it did before you installed the new fuses. Does that make you wrong? Are you fooling yourself that you can’t hear what is now-based on irrefutable scientific evidence-a superior sound signal? Would those who clearly did hear a difference then proceed to mock as delusional those who couldn’t hear it and state as much? Point being; your perception is your reality. If you perceive it to be true, to you it is. Regardless of proof, measurable or empirical, that is your reality. I now find it silly to argue with someone that they are or aren’t hearing something they clearly believe to be true. Especially when you haven’t tried it for yourself. Especially with a nothing to lose money back guarantee.
It could be simply the buzz that convinces a potential customer.
Good one Geoff, I think there are a lot of "buzzed" audiophiles....Happy belated 4/20!
Look, we can argue the science but we can't effectively argue perception, which can be influenced by a variety of stimuli, including what we (believe we) hear and not excluding visual appearances of things (think red, black, blue - I think purple is next), as well as the "buzz" we read about.
The reason there will never be a "resolution" to this thread that satisfies both believers and non-believers, is that would require alignment of both the science argument and the perception argument - just ain't gonna happen.
Thanks guys. I will posts my thoughts once I get a chance to get them into my gear. I realize that there are many skeptics, in regards to this fuse tweak, but I could care less. I feel that it is such an insignificant expenditure, I have little to lose if there is no sonic benefit, and if indeed they do make a positive difference, I have an inexpensive improvement.
Eddy I would be shocked if you do not hear an improvement BUT it will be what it will be, whichever way please do return to let us know how it all panned out Best of luck
Sorry George, But my whole life and work is based around common sense and practical application.
This fuse "snake oil" is not common sense nor is it practical application, if it were the manufacturers SR would be personally backing all fusers claims made here on the the "massive sound quality improvements" and the clearly heard difference in "directionality" of this >$150 mains fuse.
At least I had the nads to take a leap and spend some "bucks".
And just did so again with positive results to my ears.
Or maybe you have missed that little fact.
And yes I consider it a fact if I can hear a difference, really could not give a flying fig about your negative nelly opinions George. But please do keep em coming, THAT is what is driving this thread right now.....LOL
Good ol' George relies on "electronic reasoning" (whatever the hell that means) and "scientific knowledge".
Maybe he needs a remedial reminder on just how we get to what is considered science:
Empiricalevidence is information acquired by observation or experimentation.Scientistsrecord and analyze this data. The process is a central part of the scientific method.
Note: "either or" in that statement.
One must first empirically observe something with (in this case) their own ears. if validation is necessary or demanded by someone else, then by all means, go and do the research yourself. Empirical evidence is good enough to arrive at a conclusion. The "electronic reasoning" can be left to the die hards to figure out. If they don't care to figure it out, it could be that they're afraid of something.
George ... What devises would you use to measure depth, sound stage width, organic realism, transparency and emotional impact of the music itself?
It all come under good design, and what constitutes that are the designers themselves, with NO "snake oil" involved. And speaker room-placement also for the first two (depth and width) As everything the designers makes is done with electronic engineering principals and it’s associated maths, measurements and tests. Every piece of equipment you have is done this way, yet you think your fuse "snake oil" can improve on it???? What a laugh!!!
You "awesome foursome" have none of that, and are not even backed up with your claims personally by SR the fuse manufacture them-selves, even though they advertise here. That’s how much "snake oil" you preach.
I’m going to stop boosting this "snake oil" thread for a while. So you "Awesome Foursome" will have to do it on your "Pat Malone". I"LL BE BACK, if later if I see extraordinary claims on what a fuse can do!!!!! Just to keep it real, so the non technical here don't get ripped off for $150 for a $2 fuse.
And speaker room-placement also for the first two (depth and width) ...
Understood George ... but the question was "
What devises would you use to measure depth, sound stage width, organic realism, transparency and emotional impact of the music itself?"
nonoise - ...One must first empirically observe something with (in this case) their own ears. if validation is necessary or demanded by someone else, then by all means, go and do the research yourself.
Yes and no. The validation portion of the quoted statement cannot be done by anyone other than yourself. And you haven't been honest with yourself if you haven't tried your ears at a blind test. So the observation portion of your statement utilizes many more senses than just hearing; like sight and touch.
thecarpathian - Um...how can anyone get ripped off when the seller offers a full money back guarantee?
By spending $150 for something no different than what you could otherwise spend $2 on.
I think for the size of the enthusiast audio market there exists a decent supply of power conditioners to hand.
I use Corepowertech Equicore1800 myself, and I know a few more here do as well. But this IS a SR Blue fuse thread after all. Plenty of other threads on power conditioners.....
You missed the point. My comment was in reference to another of George's uninformed comments:
As for noise, if there were any, which I highly doubt, it couldn’t get through the transformer, rectifiers, smoothing capacitors, regulators, and more smoothing caps that come after the mains fuse, again more "snake oil"
Yes and no. The validation portion of the quoted statement cannot be done by anyone other than yourself. And you haven't been honest with yourself if you haven't tried your ears at a blind test. So the observation portion of your statement utilizes many more senses than just hearing; like sight and touch.
Nope. No validation is required if I am satisfied with the results. Besides, as you keep forgetting, three different fuses performed the same way under the same conditions.
You speak of the necessity of testing myself which is hogwash. You keep on harping about this parlor trick of blind testing as if it's something carved in stone that has to be obeyed. Again, hogwash.
You are no authority on the matter so stop speaking as if you are one. Your strictures have no bearing on me whatsoever so keep them to yourself. Let them be your guiding principles as you navigate life. I don't need them.
nonoise - ...You speak of the necessity of testing myself which is hogwash. You keep on harping about this parlor trick of blind testing as if it’s something carved in stone that has to be obeyed. Again, hogwash.
You are no authority on the matter so stop speaking as if you are one. Your strictures have no bearing on me whatsoever so keep them to yourself....
Time out. Take a deep breath. Remain calm.
I never stated, suggested or even implied I'm an authority on anything, let alone fuses.
The remainder in all that I’ve written (recently herein this thread) really amounts to nothing more than a suggestion, that’s all.
The suggestion is that you (or any proponent of SR fuses) remains honest WITH THEMSELF. So, there can be no parlor trick. No one for you to trick, except yourself. I’m out of the equation.
Akin to what Jerry might say - there’s nobody messing with you, but you.
So to reiterate, it is my belief that by your adamant refusal to do a blind test, you’re simply being dishonest with yourself. That’s all.
Nothing to get upset over, if you can live with that, after spending $150 instead of $2.
I think you made a bet with a buddy that you could con some gullible audiophile into putting up $25,000, or however much, for your rigged blind test challenge. Give it up. People here are not as stupid as you think they are.
So to reiterate, it is my belief that by your adamant refusal to do a blind test, you’re simply being dishonest with yourself. That’s all.
I am calm. It's just that you're a broken record. Most times you can come across as nice and accommodating but when you do your act: state > rinse > repeat, state > rinse > repeat, it's beginning to look like your sincerity is nothing more than trolling.
tommylion - I think you made a bet with a buddy that you could con some gullible audiophile into putting up $25,000, or however much, for your rigged blind test challenge. Give it up. People here are not as stupid as you think they are.
My proposal at this stage has absolutely nothing to do with what you're stating (quoted above). The blind test I'm proposing would be conducted in its entirety by *you* under *your* own terms. The idea/concept is to be honest - with yourself.
I'm going further to point out that if you - tommylion - do as I suggest (blind test), it shall be you who "gives it up".
nonoise - ....It's just that you're a broken record....
I have no vinyl or analog what-so-ever in my rig. Trust me.
nonoise - ...Most times you can come across as nice and accommodating....
Just couldn't help myself, and yes I have read TC and Fuse forums...
As a responsible engineer I research and look for facts that are credible and repeatable; not opinions, and here-say; but researched fact backed up and written by the manufacturer.
I found this advert on a US distributor:
"New UEF Graphene coating, two years in development, and UEF quantum treatments make the BLUE fuse significantly more holographic and dynamic than even the incredible SR BLACK fuse. Resolution and musicality are second to none."
"Unlike the Black Quantum fuse, the Blue Quantum fuse needs only 24 hrs to start opening up. And from then on it only gets better every day..."
Not only blue fuses, but UEF Graphene (TC), so there is a link. And further I looked, guess who the reviews were written by.,...
@GeoffKait - this contradicts your current opinion Ozzy, if Graphene were being used as a signal conductor doesn’t it make sense that they would have used Graphene for the Backbone conductor, not copper/silver? If you Google Graphene you will see it’s primary use is in shielding RFI/EMI. And the reason is because of it’s extremely high conductivity. Graphene cannot be used as a Backbone Conductor (I.e., for the signal) because Graphene is by definition only one atom thick. That is a problem because it won’t support the current or the voltage involved. It will, however, support RFI/EMI. Also, since the Graphene powder is embedded in the ceramic it is not continuous and thus cannot be used to carry signal. In addition, ceramic is an insulator not a conductor. Thus, if they were trying to carry signal on the Secondary conductor they would be kind of shooting themselves in the foot. Who shot their own foot?
@geoffkait When it comes to contact enhancers, The King of the Hill of course is Quicksilver Gold, no longer available, which trumped all previous concoctions, including Quicksilver, the previous champ. You can forget about all the other prior stuff. For cleaning I like Cramolin and Deoxit type cleaners. If the new concoction can beat Quicksilver Gold I’ll eat a bug. 🐛 Pour your hearts out. Put your back into it, lads. 🏋🏻♀️ I’m rather used to reading purple prose. 😈
Hipocrite...
I could go on.. and on ... and on... about a lot of you.
I am after the truth and facts. Seems you lot come up a bit short. Even tripping over your own feet.
amg56, apparently you’re plagued by reading comprehension issues. I have been consistent in my comments regarding the audio applications of Graphene. You have taken my comments somewhat out of context, one assumes to make it appear I’m contradicting myself. Don’t you have an actual argument? If you can’t keep up with the conversation maybe you should just consider dropping out.
Geoff, any day if we were to meet, we would probably share a beer, so to speak as I don't know if you drink beer and have a great conversation. The problem with these forums you cant tell who is grinning and who is taking the piss..... ease up.
You have nothing to say but it’s OK, good morning, good morning. So you don’t know what Graphene is. No big deal, I suppose, but that’s no reason to get so huffy about it. If you wish to make this personal that would be your problem. Passive aggressive types are my specialty.
To me it stands to reason that if someone you do not know states something that is unheard of, the first question, well my first question would be is how. Then, can I read about it. Then, what are the figures. Can they be repeatable.
Well I've read 2-3 years of threads, and contradictions.
Oregonpapa seems to be the only poster who has remained steadfast.
I cannot fork out AUD$325 for a fuse let alone 6 or 7. Nor can I fork out AUD$400 on TC and In would not do so unless I have proof they work. It would take 30 days for 6-7 fuses to get to Australia let alone a warranty period, which is blinking short for any product of it's supposed standing. Why aren't SR standing up behind their products
There are too many holes in this promotion to believe.
I could not be more sympathetic. If you can’t afford these things anyway then what’s the point? If you can’t see the potential for graphene for audio applications that’s your problem. I suspect you’re just cruisin for a bruisin. 🥊
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