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The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....

New SR BLUE fuse thread ...

I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.

1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.

2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.

3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.

I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.

4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.

Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...

Overall impressions:

Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.

Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.

Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)

Frank

PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.

Frank



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jay23
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For those of you who feel "ripped off" keep in mind these two things: first, the BLACK fuses have been on the market for around two years. Second, we live in a country that enjoys a free market economy where competition is fierce. It behooves the producers to continue with R&D, improving their products. This is how a producer stays ahead of their competition. It’s no different for SR and Ted Denney. The positive side is the consumer continues to benefit with the improved products. If you truly feel ripped off, get your head wrapped around the concept that you are involved in a hobby that is continually in the upgrade mode. If you can’t deal with it, either don’t buy the upgrades or find a new hobby.

While I mostly agree, I feel sorry for those that jumped at the last sale, if they’re out of the 30 day return window and they want to upgrade. It’s slightly disingenuous to host a sale to reduce stock - then release a new product, and discount the Large Black - without mentioning the new product.
jay23
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@jay23,
I kind of agree with your feelings about the last sale that SR had but if one followed the threads here, it was highly probable that SR was coming out with a new fuse, hence the discount. And, that is how SR has done it for the last few versions: discount and then, new product. Some who jumped on it needed the discount and most likely knew it beforehand. With the SR Black fuses, they’ll still enjoy the benefits.

All the best,
Nonoise

AFIK, there were no rumblings about a new fuse in August. They have held prior sales on the Black fuses, so there was no certainty of a new version immediately releasing.

joecasey:
That’s true with everything, TVs, computers, cars ... so you want companies release one product cycle and cease?? You can buy end of year 2017 model at discount...

I never made such a statement, and that’s not the case. All of the items you listed have a known product cycle, and information on the new products are released or leaked. These products are offered at a discount, and customers can make an INFORMED decision as to whether to save money, or wait to buy the latest and greatest.

Like I said, it was "slightly disingenuous" of Synergistic Research, as they could have easily stated a new version was upcoming, or leaked such information, so their customers could make an informed decision. Given they do not offer a reasonable upgrade (unlike oregonpapa’s examples) for an almost new product, it serves no one’s interests to piss off their own customers.

As an example, Apple learned their lesson early, and the iPhone 8 and X were both announced at the same time. Did that hurt 8 sales? Probably. But it will also likely result in more X sales, and happier customers that won’t be pissed that the X is released so soon after the 8? Yes. Pissed off customers are more likely to switch to other companies’ products.
jay23
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Jay ...

If you were the manufacturer of a popular product with a solid international dealership network would you release information in advance to the end consumer about a new and better replacement product and stick your faithful dealers with a crap load of old product?

What’s better ... pissing off a few customers that should be expecting upgrades anyway or an entire dealership network? Its called being between a rock and a hard place.

Brace yourselves guys ... the new Purple fuse will be out in a couple of years. :-)

Frank

Guess what? Manufacturers do it all the time. And the dealers hold a sale, and possibly make a smaller profit margin. The dealers should know in advance of the newer product, and can adjust accordingly. Plus, unlike many other examples, the Black fuses are not being phased out, so there is no "old" product.

From my discussion with a Synergistic Research dealer, my understanding was they held a limited stock of the most popular values. Also, when SR holds sales, a further discount is passed on to the dealers. In addition, with this example, there was only a $10 margin difference on the Large Black fuses.

I don't see any issue or tough choice. Do you have any proof of otherwise? And would you be as happy if they theoretically released the "Purple" next month, once your return period ended?
jay23
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Jay ...

If SR released the Purple fuse next month I'd hold off on buying them ... while shaking my head at the same time. Two years from now I'd be expecting it.

Personally I don't want SR or any other manufacturer to stand still, rest on their laurels and get stale. Even though I'd be perfectly happy with the system as it sits, I look forward to my next tweak. How about you?

I agree. I am just saying Synergistic could have easily handled this better, and I have empathy for those that recently bought Black fuses in the sale, that want to upgrade and are beyond the return period. I would be upset, and can understand how some people would be pissed.

By the way, right now I'm listening to Willie Nelson's "Phases and Stages." Willie's in the room. :=)

Frank

💪<--shakes fist! 😁
jay23
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@georgehifi 
Seeing they advertise here just get Synergistic Research to personally post here and back these claims of the "fusers" of transformation of system sound quality and the direction-ability of these fuses. It could only help give these "fusers" and the fuses some credibility.

Cheers George

What gets me is these totally non technical "fusers" think they know more about what make an amp or dac work better or worse than the electronic engineers that designed and built the equipment they are using. And that these $150 fuses have some magical power that can't be measured.
It's like them saying to the gullible potential fuse purchasers here, that they know better than the likes of Nelson Pass ect ect who designed the equipment.

Cheers George

Synergistic Research states everything you are asking for on their website. Why would they waste their time replying to you here, if you can't read or comprehend it on their website?

And the "fusers" already gave you proof of an EE and designer that admits that fuses make a difference. That makes your point null.
jay23
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@prof 
I work in post production sound. I am recording and altering sound all day long (Pro Tools). Often minute changes in EQ, loudness, pitch, etc.Especially if we are talking subtle differences in a sound, being able to direct ly compare them, switch back and forth, is MUCH more efficacious in aiding the perception of these difference than extending the time between the changes.

Do you blind test the changes? Maybe there is no change, or you have made things sound worse? How do you know without blind testing? You said yourself that YOU can't trust YOUR EARS. After all, you "imagined" your new server sounded brighter. You better blind test every change, so your mixes don't sound like 💩.
jay23
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@georgehifi 
No they don’t personally, it’s hearsay.

How is it hearsay? The truth is you just want them here to explain exactly how it works. I put the cookie crumb trail out for you to figure it out way back in the Black fuse thread. Ted is probably laughing that you guys still haven't figured it out.
jay23
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@prof 

If you have no intention of trying the product, why bother to spend your time here? The others have mostly been proven to be pseudo-skeptics, that do not believe there is any chance of a fuse making a difference. They seem to take joy in arguing.

Those that have tried audiophile fuses and like them are happy. The responsibility for tests are solely on the skeptics and pseudo-skeptics, if they care so much about the tests. You have the tools to test Audioquest's Garth Powell's assertion that you can measure the difference of audio items by recording both, and inverting the phase on one.

The explanations of how audiophile fuses work are scattered through multiple threads, but the pseudo-skeptics disregard it all. They just want to argue and act as if they're right.

And I feel for the projects you do post-production on.
jay23
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@analogluvr 
@jay23. I can't speak for prof but the reason I am here is to provide some balance and sanity in a thread that is sorely lacking. I remember when I was a newbie and I actually believed in all this nonsense. I would've loved to save the money that I spent on it. Yes I have tried audiophile fuses and no I did not hear any difference. If there was any difference it was so small that it could not be heard or measured.

So you've tried and measured the Blue fuse? If not, that makes as much sense as someone trying a fast food burger, and claiming they don't like all hamburgers.
jay23
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@mapman 
jay23,

What’s with the "pseudo-skeptic" talk? Did Geoffkait mind-meld or teleport tweak you or something? One is either skeptical or not. What makes one a pseudo skeptic? Skeptical about being skeptical?

Geoff already explained it, and it works suitably. When someone pretends to be a skeptic, but they really have no interest in said item/subject, as they've already made up their absolute decision in their mind. 
jay23
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@prof
I have some skepticism about audiophile fuses.

So any production that works with me must be suffering.

A trajectory of reasoning only an audiophile truly passionate about fuses could muster. Thanks for that. ;-)

It has nothing to do with your thoughts on fuses. It has everything to do with the statements you have made, revealing your listening acumen. This statement does display your illogical thought process.

Do you work on commercials, games, and/or indie projects?
jay23
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@mapman 
Ah I see. A clever label it would seem for one who can apparently read other’s minds to place on others if they do not drink their kool aid! I see how that works! No wonder GK loves that term so much! I did not know we had mind reader’s in these parts! Very mystical! Much like fancy fuses themselves.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? You obviously have a lurid imagination. The true pseudo-skeptics in this thread have stated that there is a zero percent chance that audiophile fuse can make a difference, and they have no desire to try one.
jay23
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It's humorous that noise was mentioned, and no one jumped on it. Yes, this is why there isn't a huge power conditioner industry with measurements to back them. 🙄😁
jay23
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@uberwaltz
Jay23

I think for the size of the enthusiast audio market there exists a decent supply of power conditioners to hand.

I use Corepowertech Equicore1800 myself, and I know a few more here do as well.
But this IS a SR Blue fuse thread after all.
Plenty of other threads on power conditioners.....

You missed the point. My comment was in reference to another of George's uninformed comments:

As for noise, if there were any, which I highly doubt, it couldn’t get through the transformer, rectifiers, smoothing capacitors, regulators, and more smoothing caps that come after the mains fuse, again more "snake oil"
jay23
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The Blue products are entertaining. They prove the listening skills of BOTH the supporters and cynics. 😏 Two birds, one stone! 😁
jay23
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The improvement in the blue fuse after a few dozen hours is relatively minor compared to the improvement in the Omega E-mats day by day until two weeks. Actually, the first 24 hours makes a big improvement. Why buy a black SR fuse when for $20 more one can purchase a superior sounding fuse that sounds great immediately? I guess SR has too many black fuses left and is still selling them.

Maybe because the Black is more transparent. 😏
jay23
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@oregonpapa 
^^^ ... Nope. The SR Blue fuse is like the SR Black fuse on steroids. Way better.

You may like it better. It's still less transparent.
jay23
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I received a fine sense of humor. Then I stopped by oregonpapa's daughter's place. 
jay23
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I guess Geoffy or Elizabeth didn't like that idea. 😂 They sure bicker like a couple.
jay23
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@oregonpapa 
Why is it that we never see Georgehifi and Jay23 in the same place at the same time?

Frank
I know fuses make a difference, while that idea gives Georgie an aneurysm. Clearly you and your theory hold no water. 💦
jay23
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@oregonpapa
Except you clearly did reply, and you clearly lack the sense of humor you felt I didn’t have. Maybe you will find one someday. Maybe the Pink fuse will help. 😁
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