The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
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uberwaltzIs there any chance we can steer this discussion back on topic or is George determined to get it locked by mods.... Again! Once again, you’ve got that wrong. I’m giving a view point to the members here who have no technical knowledge that are thinking about blowing 150 bucks on a fuse that has the same sound quality as a $2 fuse. Cheers George |
@geoffkait Legitimate question for you. Just seeking your *opinion* now, and that cannot be right or wrong. Lets assume you are entirely correct on the technical aspects/merits of fuses. Lets further assume you are able to hear a difference, and have elected to use said fuse(s). How does this change your "enjoyment" of listening to music? Thanks. |
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And you have never given one iota of explanation technical or mystical, to what you believe is the reason for you to say these fuses do magical things for an audio system when installed, and also the direction they are installed. You just say trust me because I said so. Odd that Synergistic Research won't back any of you "fusers" here either. Like I've said before usually when a product is vigorously discussed as it is here, a manufacture will nearly always try to set the record straight by posting what he thinks, but it seems not this thread as there are legal implications to be considered. Cheers George |
George As per usual you have it all confused You are correct I have never attempted to explain why they make the difference they do , in my system, to my ears, in my room. NOT ONCE have I ever said that you just have to trust me and rush out and try them, NOT ONCE! All I have ever done is to state the effects in my system, in my room to my ears. I believe others should be free to also make the same decisions based on their own system, room, hearing etc. Of course you are free to state your opinions and thoughts as is everybody else. What you are NOT free to do, is to harass and abuse said proponents just because you do not agree with their view or beliefs! Tone it down or turn it in. |
nonoise3,228 posts04-13-2018 12:49pmany of you "fusers"You say it like it's a bad thing..... I can't help that that's just how your perceiving it, how else would you fuser's like to be called, maybe you prefer v**d**'ist? I know Geoff does, as it his avatar. http://sshc.in/voodoo-dolls-black-magic-voodoo-love-spells-evil-spirits/ Cheers George |
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I’m serious here. Why is it SO IMPORTANT for otherwise normal audiophiles to go waaay out of their way to try and convince naysayers? Naysayers are really not (rpt not) in this game for the reasons everyone seems to believe. People seem to totally misjudge the little scamps. They act so sincere and innocent like. As the dude in Field of Dreams sez, “Built it and they will come.” 🤠 |
@geoffkait That’s a very good point. So far, the naysayers have demonstrated no function other than to derail a thread on fuses. Basically, all the arguments have been put forth with no resolution so it degrades into an acrimonious side show. When something new or novel is proposed that was overlooked, silly criteria are put forth as a demand for "valid" results. That, and the incessant posting of the same thing over and over as if it’s expected to work by wearing someone down, like a Chinese water torture. Drip, drip, drip.... It’s one thing to have an opinion on something. To proffer it and debate a bit, but this is nothing more than professional trolling. There’s no avenue of recourse other than to flat out ignore them and simply speak around them, as one would do at a social event, pretending not to see them. All the best, Nonoise |
@nonoise I'd be appreciative if you could/would answer the following questions. How does fuse and/or wire directionality change/effect your "enjoyment" of listening to music? Please speculate, in what way(s) should someone who doesn't believe in wire/fuse directionality, such as myself, expect to benefit if fuses and/or wire is oriented correctly? Thank you. |
The function of my questions aren't to derail the train of Fuser Fandom, it simply seems, and is, logical to ask about how and why a relatively expensive and excitedly oversold fuse works. To take offense at this question seems the lazy way out, as answering it could provide useful information for anybody interested. So, how does the fuse work its supposed magic? |
@gdhal If you've read through this thread (and the other fuse threads) you'd know the answer as I've stated it several times. In short: For two years I was never a believer in fuse directionality. Out of boredom, I changed them. My "enjoyment", as you put it, was increased. Recessed highs were now as pronounced as the rest of the sound. A certain, hard to ascertain phasey quality was gone, replace with solid imaging and more definition and detail. There was also an increase in what can be described as strength and impact with the music. The difference is not subtle. I had the same experience with three different brands. There's a 50/50 chance they'll go in the right way and easy to listen for the "clues" once you know what to listen for. As to how you could be convinced that a better made fuse can benefit you when correctly oriented, that's a tall order my friend. The only answer is for you to try it for yourself. Nothing short of that will satisfy, as has so far been demonstrated. All the best, Nonoise |
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@gdhal No, it wasn't done in a blind test. It was sighted. But as you already know, I don't subscribe to blind test parlor tricks, and I need to see what I'm doing when changing fuses. Be forewarned, any amount of protests of "the need to be blind tested" will fall on (literally) deaf ears. All the best, Nonoise |
I don't subscribe to blind test parlour tricks.This can only tilt in favour to the result of expectation bias for one way, and this result has no valid outcome. Be forewarned, any amount of protests of "the need to be blind tested" will fall on (literally) deaf ears. Which maybe the case. wolf_garcia I like it Wolf, maybe soon we can start a whole new language base around "fuse fetish", ah! there's another one. We are rocking!! Cheers George Cheers George |
BTW I asked this before. Where is Synergistic Research’s back up comments to all the fuser’s claims here that have been disputed? As I said before if any product is discussed here on Audiogon and the manufacturer is a member, nearly 100% that member (manufacturer) will have something to say to back his product. But in this case, Synergistic’s silence is deafening! legality reasons perhaps?? Cheers George |
This can only tilt in favour to the result of expectation bias for one way, and this result has no valid outcomeAs to who it is that truly exhibits expectation bias, I submit it is you George. You seem to be painfully fearful of actually hearing a difference to the extent that you refuse to try it for yourself, lest you end up hearing what we all along have been enjoying. You could have solved this so long ago that it strains credulity. The fact that you continue speaks volumes. All the best, Nonoise |
nonoise - No, it wasn't done in a blind test. It was sighted. But as you already know, I don't subscribe to blind test parlor tricks, and I need to see what I'm doing when changing fuses. Understood. I consider myself forewarned. I also consider myself correct in that it would be impossible to hear a difference in a blind test. Nevertheless, I consider the matter essentially closed (between you and I) and remain appreciative that you answered my questions. Thank you. |
George Why should SR have to come here to answer to you? I have no idea just WHERE you get your information from at all, I know full well that it is NOT the case that ALL manufacturers come to these forums to respond to threads about their products. SR may indeed have no clue this thread or even forum exists! Unless you have invited them and they have refused to comment, that would indeed be a whole different matter. |
George Not just to me, to all, because every other manufacturer would if there some dispute about their product. It would be great to hear what they say about the magical transformation of sound quality and the reason for it (not just hearsay from fusers). As I said before if any product is discussed here on Audiogon and the manufacturer is a member, nearly 100% that member (manufacturer) will have something to say to back his product. Cheers George |
As I said before if any product is discussed here on Audiogon and the manufacturer is a member, nearly 100% that member (manufacturer) will have something to say to back his product. Also just found they are advertisers here on Audiogon. So there's another reason to back the fusers transformation of sound quality beliefs. https://www.audiogon.com/brands/synergistic-research Cheers George |
"Not just to me, to all, because every other manufacturer would if there some dispute about their product. " Again I would say not true at all. If I was SR, I would take one look at the acrimonious exchanges occurring on this thread and run for the hills. With the bitterness expressed here it surely would end up as doing more harm than good. They know I am sure that nothing short of goat and chicken sacrifices will appease some members here. |
If I was SR, I would take one look at the acrimonious exchanges occurring on this thread and run for the hills. Maybe you, but they're not you, they own the business, and any owner would protect it with legitimate verve and gusto, if not ducking for cover with tongue in cheek over some of the sound quality and directionalality improvement claims made here. Let them in their own words give these types of improvements that their $150 fuse can do over a good quality $2 fuse. Cheers George |
I would say they are quite satisfied with their sales so far so again why waste their time to come here to argue with you and err, wolfie??How can you say that, unless your employed by them? And if they did back you guys up with the same sound quality and directionalality improvement claims made here, it would certainly give their product the credibility it sorely needs, instead of leaving it to a bunch no-bodies to man the credibility boat. Cheers George |
I can very easily say that after a couple of minutes of Google research, try it, you might learn something! Credibility? Just you and a couple more rattling round this thread? Give me a break please! You seriously overestimate your position or points of view in the grand scheme of things. Thanks for the laugh though. |
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None of this should be surprising. Businesses offer consumers many products that are marketed through a combination of technical analysis (with varying degrees of scientific validity) and emotionally oriented brand promises. The goal of these businesses is to sell products, not necessarily to "prove" that their products perform exactly as advertised. The higher the price of entry into a hobby (think exotic cars, swimming pools, boats, and of course stereo systems) the more money there is to be made from ancillary stuff. The performance metrics of some of this stuff are subjective and would be difficult to measure in order to definitively "prove" the level of performance. Therefore, the relationship between the advertised performance, the expected performance, and the actual performance is often subject to the perceptions of the purchaser. Arguing about it isn't going to change anything. |
georgehifi: There is no "dispute" George. The only ones disputing anything in this thread are you and a couple of others, most of whom (if any) have not tried the BLUE fuse in their own systems. Geoffkait: Nope ... the naysayers are trying to convince the believers. The believers are already enjoying what the SR Blue fuses have brought to their systems. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Early on, in one of the fuse threads ... or perhaps it was the TC thread, I posted about personality types. What we are seeing is a revealing of the worst traits of the engineering mentality, and that is fear of criticism. When their affliction borders on the edge of insanity, they just cannot be wrong. I think that accounts for the VERY FEW who just will not give it up. This is why they just cannot stay out of this thread without stirring the pot. If they can make the "believers" wrong, then it makes them correct. Take a look ... in spite of the thread being completely shut down, then restored by the Mods with a caution to keep the personal attacks out of the thread, and to keep it on topic, they still continue with their nonsense. That’s insanity, folks. Take a good look at them. They tell us exactly what we can hear and what we can’t hear. This without knowing to whom they speak or listening to our systems. They tell us how to spend our money and how not to spend our money. This without ever seeing our bank accounts. They cannot post without being vindictive and argumentative ... no matter how polite we are with our responses, and with how much respect they are treated with. The VAST success of SR Fuses, in spite of their nay-saying, is driving their slammed-shut minds even further down the rabbit hole. They just cannot figure out how a thin wire in a ceramic tube could improve sound. This, in spite of all of the good reports/reviews by their fellow A’goners. Go figure ... Frank |
