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The conclusion I've reached about speakers
After years of listening to box speakers the conclusion I have come to is that:
A big speaker does more bass and goes lower. A bookshelf gives no bass and cant go as loud.
Any other differences are either imaginary or DELIBERATELY contrived to make them sound better to the unsuspecting buyer.
The ONLY other differences aside from sound quality are the price and appearance. Prices can vary substantially and so can the way a speaker looks.
In other words, everything we thought about speakers is all wrong.
All speakers sound the same
A big speaker does more bass and goes lower. A bookshelf gives no bass and cant go as loud.
Any other differences are either imaginary or DELIBERATELY contrived to make them sound better to the unsuspecting buyer.
The ONLY other differences aside from sound quality are the price and appearance. Prices can vary substantially and so can the way a speaker looks.
In other words, everything we thought about speakers is all wrong.
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After years of reading Kenjit's posts the conclusion I have come to is that:That is exactly my point. There is nothing new to be said. There are no breakthroughs its all the same. The posts on here have been the same over the last ten years. People asking: "Is speaker A better than speaker B?" How many of those have we had? How many more will there be? |
Kenjit obviously doesn't have enough money to buy better speakers.That doesn't change the conclusion I've reached does it? I have given speaker dealers many opportunities to demonstrate their super expensive speakers to me and they all sound the same. If the speaker designer decided to do a 2db rise in response around 6-10khz you will hear more brightness. But that doesn't make it better does it? That doesnt justify the price being $50k does it? No it does not. |
One man answered an add for the piano teacher.You have to remember that the same audiophiles that think they hear a difference in speakers are the same people that think they hear differences in cables. Audiophiles have very poor credentials when it comes to judging sound quality. |
"Studio monitors are designed to sound bad. They are a tool used for analysis. Hifi speakers need to sound good. They are for enjoyment. Directivity is a matter of preference. There is no correct choice, theres only PREFERENCE." Kenjits post from today in another thread. So if accurate sounds bad and speakers need to be "massaged" to sound good your whole argument is ignorant. No correct choice its only PREFERENCE!! That's the opposite of the argument you have been trying to give forever. Thick headed di#####t. |
And then??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwzuiSy9y0 This iconic clip would seem to sum you up (toadally). DeKay |
You have to remember that the same audiophiles that think they hear a difference in speakers are the same people that think they hear differences in cables. Audiophiles have very poor credentials when it comes to judging sound quality.Why not to admit that your hearing apparatus is inferior. If you cannot hear any difference - just say it. Instead you go into denial claiming nobody can hear it. Very sad and reflect poorly on your personality. After many toxic posts like that I surprised that administrators allow you to post anything ! Are you that pathetic that you need attention daily, posting nonsense? Shut up, man !!! |
Why not to admit that your hearing apparatus is inferior.Because I dont believe it. That is the opposite conclusion I have come to. The conclusion I have come to as Ive already stated is that any differences heard can be one of two things. Either it is imaginary or the difference is contrived. The frequency response graphs often show these obvious differences between different speakers. Are you trying to tell me these cannot be heard? If so, who is deaf, me or you? Imaginary differences are certainly plausible. Why do you think they spare no expense in achieving such beautiful looking speakers? It is because THEY know that WE will fall for it. If you cannot hear any difference - just say it. Instead you go into denial claiming nobody can hear it.I didnt say nobody can hear differences. I am saying that it can be due to imagination or due to contrivances. There are many tricks at the disposal of speaker engineers in order to make us believe that we are hearing better sound. If that subsequently enables them to sell more speakers they will do it. The differences people claim to hear also need to be considered in the context of differences in peoples hearing loss, poor listening environments, room treatments, listening position and so on. |
I would ask you if you ever tire of spouting out nonsense, but unfortunately this clearly isn’t a possibility. If this hobby we all love (as in everyone but you apparently) is such a fraud why haven’t you moved on? You don’t add anything meaningful or positive to the conversation. Such as a sad way to get attention Kenjit. |
If this hobby we all love (as in everyone but you apparently) is such a fraud why haven’t you moved on?I have moved on and I implore YOU to do the same. Why haven't YOU moved on yourself? Musicians and audio lovers are far from tone deaf.You would think that but you'd be surprised. Ive been to more than one demo where speakers were put in horribly echoey rooms and wired out of phase but nobody seemed to hear it or care except me. I ordered them to put them back in phase and they immediately complied. |
kenjit OP1,161 posts11-09-2020 6:31pm Perhaps a hearing test might be worthwhile....It would not I'm afraid. Ever heard of a fellow by the name of Beethoven? He had bad hearing but it didnt stop him being a great musician. Conversely, having perfect 20-20khz hearing doesnt make you a brilliant audiophile. You could still be tone deaf. It is all clear now, kenjit is indeed deaf (much like Beethoven in his later years) and he only remembers how speakers sound, no wonder they all sound the same to him... |
My oh my, all the name callin’, Jealousy ALWAYS brings unkind words... I know we’re better than this.. LOL Kmini and KMAX are off the drawing board and actual cut boards now. Kmini is in the shape of a tombstone, yup.. At the end of your life K you can have them both filled with concrete. You can put them at BOTH ends for the final act of confusion. I think when you get to heaven you’ll be blessed with perfect hearing, yup! No need for speakers anymore, Besides mostly Acapella anyways, a few thousand strings and of course a Ram’s Horn. Everyone knows God loves Jazz! Just no Yoko Ono singin’ in heaven.. That’s for sure.. Heaven’s only rule, no Yoko Ono Singin’. Yoko Ono yes, her singin' NO!!! That’s in the other place.... :-) Regards |
All box speakers even though they share similarities being box speakerd they obviously do no sound the same . A proac dose not sound like a paradigm or energy speaker for that matter . All small box speakers are limited in their ultimate loudness as a floorstanding normally will sound louder and with more freedom to explore loudness . But they are all box speakers which are construed by the same limitations from the small ones to the large floorstanding speakers |
"If the speaker designer decided to do a 2db rise in response around 6-10khz you will hear more brightness. But that doesn't make it better does it? That doesnt justify the price being $50k does it? No it does not." Maybe not, but the first sentence contradicts the original post. If a designer can do that, and if you do hear more brightness as a result, then it cannot be true that all speakers sound the same. Furthermore, if the designer can engineer that difference in brightness, surely other differences can be designed, for example in bass response or directivity. It's a separate question whether the SQ differences are significant enough to justify big price differences. |
If you can't see the humor after, what this county just went through. I'm really confused now... I was before, NOW, I'm pretty sure I am hearing thing that aren't being said... YUP! I have gone crazy, ALL THE WAY.. Every speaker I hear is PERFECT, just the opposite of kenit, go figure... Heck make the box, and leave the speakers out, those noise makin' things, that's the problem.. Just use the box.. :-) Regards |
