MoFi Sourcepoint 888 Speakers


I recently found myself with a little extra money, and after some thought and having read so many positive things, I decided to try a pair of the Sourcepoint 888's. I had actually been set on a pair of JBL HDI 3800's, but I couldn't find a set in my price range as they were closing out remaining stock, and they were all the more expensive black lacquer.

Anyway, the MoFi's seemed to fit the bill. I was looking for a gutsier mid-bass, the one failing of my current speakers (Odyssey Kismet Reference), which are actually wonderful otherwise. Still, mid-bass is responsible for some of the oomph and forward momentum in music, especially rock, so my search began. Besides the reviews having seemed to be a good match for what I was looking for, I had a certain amount of faith in Andrew Jones, knowing that he has designed some very good speakers.

I have only had them in my system for a couple of days, so of course there will be a few months of system adjustment as well as the difficult mental adjustments that take place when you (or at least I) get new speakers. That said, I really think that these are wonderful at reproducing music. They're very full bodied, but not at all slow or sluggish, and voices are a bit larger than past speakers I've owned and very intimate, with a level of detail that I haven't had before, but without any exaggerated treble. 

Bass is as advertised, very good. Solid, deep and impactful. It isn't loose at all, which didn't surprise me since the woofers have rolled surrounds which are pretty stiff, and he came up with a scheme of opposing magnets at the voice coil (no, I don't really understand it) that is supposed to make the movement of the driver much more controlled.

It'll be a good while before I can really know the speakers in and out because it always takes me a while to get the comparative sound of my previous speakers out of my head, but I am really enjoying these. I'm also wondering what other member's experiences with them have been.  

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I think you made a good decision as described based on my limited exposure to the Mofis in general. Enjoy!

Thanks @mapman. I neglected to mention one of their strong attributes that I really value in a speaker, which is coherence. It was one of the things that made me stay with the Klipsch Epic CF 4’s for so long despite some other minor failings. Once you hear a speaker that is really coherent, it is really a must.

My impressions at two shows now and my dealer have been unfairly disappointing… especially since i have a pair of TAD… but i’m chalking it up to €£#%%%% setup n poor conditions… so  glad they are meeting your needs - wonderful !

@tomic601 

in my experience TAD are tilted up and the MoFi 888 are more balanced and neutral, so first impressions at shows and such can be a tad (pardon the pun) soft at first listen. Longer listening sessions reveal they are easier to listen to for longer periods. 

Thanks for the feedback.  I was looking at them also instead of their 8 snd 10 inch  standmounts.  Erin’s Audio Corner had a positive review.  Trying to fit into my budget.  How much did you pay for the pair?  

@roxy54 

Nicely done.  A good example of what you'd hope to read when you open a post on an audio forum.  Happy to hear you've found the right speakers for you

On a side note, I've always thought the Klipsch CF-4s were one of the most "under appreciated" speakers  We were a Klipsch dealer and also involved in performance mods.  We did a fairly ambitious upgrade on a pair of CF-4s a while back.  When completed, I set them up for the typical post-mofication sonic evaluation. I'll just say that it took a family intervention to remove me from the listening chair.  They were that good!!

@waytoomuchstuff 

Agreed. I liked the CF-4's so much that they were my everyday speakers for 15 years. Their strong points were coherence and dynamics.

They also had an amazing sense of musical flow, but after exposure to a different speaker two years ago, I realized that they also glossed over many details that gave beat and timing cues to me while I was listening. I sold them with regrets, but also wonderful memories.

The MoFI's, like any speaker are not perfect, but they are closer to my ideal than I have heard before in my system. I'm feeling fortunate.

@roxy54 

Yes, there are mechanical limits to what the CF-4s can do with the music.  Impressive in their factory form.  When you "open them up, and let them play" (via upgrades) they take on a different personality altogether.

@waytoomuchstuff 

They were certainly a brilliant design. I had the klipschorns back in 1976, and I loved them for years too, but I believe the Epics were a better speaker overall.

@roxy54 

Agree on the CF-4 vs K'Horns.  The CF-4s were a "big boy" D'Oppolito design that presented a very coherent point source when set up properly. 

Thanks @ozzy62 . It feels even better when you realize that it's an improvement, not just a different flavor.

I’m using an old, much modified Mac, but despite being somewhat inefficient, they don’t drop below 4.6 ohms I think, so they’re not very hard to drive. I’m getting plenty of oomph.

Today I got my chest pushed in a bit by Peter Gabriel’s "This is the Picture".

Reading the specs on those is what made me curious, @roxy54 ; however, although I thought I remembered that the nominal impedance is 6 ohms, as you just typed, I also saw that minimum impedance doesn't seem to drop real low, and I am starting to get the impression from all that I read on this site that maybe minimum impedance is more critical than sensitivity.  At least when it comes to how hard a load a speaker presents to an amp.  However, I may be mistaken in my interpretation of what I have read.

I was surprised to find the latest Stereophile in my mailbox today with a review of the 888’s. John Atkinson loved them.

@immatthewj

I think that's what I've usually understood; that is that minimum impedance is more important than efficiency regarding amplifier compatibility and ease of drive.

The importance of impedance, personal experience.

Years ago I owned Duntech Princess speakers which I loved.  They were rated at 90 dB efficiency but required more power than expected by that.  I believe it was due to the response curve dipping just below 3 ohms in the bass.

The two best amp matches I found were first the VTL 300 monos with KT-90 outputs, then the Parasound Halo JC-1 monos.  The latter were rated at 400 w @ 8 ohms and 800 @ 4 ohms.  The Princesses really came alive with those.

Otherwise that might seem excessive for 90 dB, so look at the entire response curve.

Impedance and phase angle.  

 

**Interpretation of Phase Angle**

- **In-Phase**: A phase angle of ( 0^circ ) (or ( 0 ) radians) means the voltage and current are in phase, resulting in maximum power transfer.
- **Out-of-Phase**: As the phase angle increases or decreases away from ( 0^circ ), it indicates that the current and voltage are out of phase, which can lead to reduced power transfer.

**Power Factor**
- The power factor (PF) is related to the phase angle:
[
ext{Power Factor} = cos(phi)
]
- A power factor close to 1 indicates that most of the power is being effectively used, while a power factor closer to 0 signifies greater reactive power and inefficiencies.

### Summary
The phase angle is directly related to the impedance of a circuit. It provides insight into how voltage and current interact within the circuit, influencing power factor and efficiency. Understanding this relationship is key for designing and analyzing AC circuits effectively.