We talk about fixing the room constantly but couldn't the size and shape of the speakers be the problem?
I realize it is not economically feasible for manufacturers, but this could possibly relate to dyi folks.
For example a long narrow room with low ceilings would have speakers proportionate to the dimensions of the room. Smaller tweeters, drivers, with an enclosure mimicking the room. You would design the speakers to fit the room, instead of fixing the room. Start with the room as a extra enclosure. Make sense?
I don't think so. Size is only one factor in determining if a speaker is appropriate for a room. Driver placement, radiation pattern and other factors are important. I have very large speakers inn a 13 x 11 x 9 room and they work perfectly.
I have big A$$ Tannoys In my medium sized listening area and they sound great. Little to no room treatments to speak of, but room is well balanced with furniture and acutraments. Speakers towed In quite heavily, and they are concentric drivers, so they project the sound out of the box and to my ears quite well.
You either have a room that can be converted into a listening space or not.
If you do, you cram the BIGGEST speakers in the most appropriate position, and the room is treated as needed.
If you're like most, you have the system in a living space, controlled by the boss(Significant other) and practicality. Nothing but compromise and small speakers in a sub optimum location are what's left to enjoy.
Deal with it, and play with fuses and wallet draining doo dads.
You would design the speakers to fit the room, instead of fixing the room.
It’s another way of saying get the appropriate speakers to fit the size of the room, which I agree. Generally, small speakers for small rooms, large speakers for large rooms. However, that doesn’t work out that way all the time as mentioned by few people here. Some speaker designs allow close placement to wall boundaries while some designs require the speakers to be placed out of the room with considerable free space from the rear and side walls. With the former, large speakers may be able to fit smaller rooms with minimal ill-effect to the sound reproduction.
I have mid-sized monitors in a long and narrow room measuring 10.5’ x 20’ x 9’. All my speakers require space from the wall boundaries hence they are selected based on the size to fit the room. I have tried larger speakers in this room and they don’t sound as good as the smaller speaker.
I have a pair of Wilson Maxx's in a 12x14 foot room and they sound great. Design wise, they have extremely well controlled bass. I've had smaller speakers in the room that were not as well balanced. It's taken a bit of work, including some room treatment to get them optimised. However, the room treatment has been focused on dealing with reflections - the room has needed no bass trapping. Ceteris paribus would the system sound better in a bigger room - yes. But while the answer to the question posed by jpwarren58 is no, every speaker/room combination needs to be considered uniquely.
Definitely no significant other problem in my listening room. She doesn't even have the keys to it 🙂
Life has never been better since I built this house of stereo. Man cave all the way. BIG speakers and room treatment galore. Southern comfort by Crusaders gave me goose pumps last evening.
After dealing with rooms that simply do not work for music OR home theater, build one, or use a different one. You could build one for the price of a pair of Wilsons. Or get a good set of headphones. [These will prevent you from hearing what your partner says as well].
I would think that large speakers would work just fine in a small room. Turn down the volume. Small speakers would not work in a large room as you would get distortion before reaching the volume you desire.
deludedaudiophile "I would think that large speakers would work just fine in a small room. Turn down the volume. Small speakers would not work in a large room "
Actually the opposite is the truth and fact because large speakers in small rooms have boundary issues that can be difficult, challenging, or impossible to avoid this is very basic, elementary, entry level physics and acoustics.
I can't loose weight or fit into my pants!? My wife says I am getting fat. I'll start going to the gym, they have good music there, but not as good as mine.
baylinor has written the funniest thing I have ever seen on AG. I wonder if he knows it? And yes, I too, still don't know what goose pumps are??
"Life has never been better since I built this house of stereo. Man cave all the way. BIG speakers and room treatment galore. Southern comfort by Crusaders gave me goose pumps last evening."
Now while I may not be an expert in acoustics, my physics is above average and sound does not behave any different in audio than any other pursuit.
Boundary issues would be a factor of wavelength and distance to the walls. Whether you have a big speaker or small speakers, they will behave the same effectively. I would have to give it more thought, but the larger emitting surface area may even have a distinct averaging property reducing the boundary effect.
You are going to have to try much harder with your drive by poorly disguised insults.
In real life I have always had a stone cold sense of humor. Many never know if I am serious or not. It can get uncomfortable lol. I guess it carries over to blogging. Loved the foie gras analogy from twoleftears!
deludedaudiophile"You are going to have to try much harder with your drive by poorly disguised insults"
I recognize, understand, and accept that I have "hurt your feelings" but as I explained in another response to your discomfort and distress the world of science is based on facts and data so your "feelings" will be something you have to learn to manage, control, and understand as you progress through your life.
I have a room that is 12' square with a window on one wall, a door opposite that, and two of the walls have angles to the upper 1/4 of them. All the walls and ceiling are horsehair plaster with 30" of blown in insulation above and 2-1/2 foam insulation on the walls with the angles. (It's a third floor room, roofline intrudes.) On the floor is 1/2" pad, thick plush carpeting over that, and a Berber rug over much of that.
I've tried two different floorstanders in the room, and did live with KEF LS50's in there for about a year. The floorstanders were overwhelming for the space. Now I'm running KEF Reference 1 speakers and they're the perfect fit for the room.
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