In reality the only actual people here are you, me, mahgister, oldhvymec and a half a dozen others. All the rest are bots. @millercarbon Well at least we have here MC some variety of bots, "angry bots", "cheerful bots", we even have "philosophical disputing bots". I think I must be in the "depressing bot" category. Question, are bots allowed to post? or just reply? :) This post really hit home @klwms I am sorry for your loss. This was a silly post of mine Interesting thread here. @jwillox Really? Yes, if you look to the past, you will see that we are all doing that right now @ecscott482 I don’t know about that, kind of my point, all the "professionals" here in audiogon forums, manufacturers and non manufacturers, they have deep knowledge of audio, electronics, mechanics .... granted some of them they go a little to far in what affects audio and what not, but on average there is pretty knowledgeable people here, I was born in the transistor era, but I had access to tubes in my younger years, also to vinyl, started listening to stuff which mom and dad had, they did not even listened to it (they were busy working for our family among other things) but I was curious and I was left alone at home when I was 6 or 7 and I operated my parents simplified turntable and listened to tracks from Joan Manuel Serrat, Johnny Horton (The Battle of New Orleans, I still can hear that specific tune now in my head as I did when I was 7, 43 years after), Johnny Cash (so many John’s), Nat King Cole and I was fascinated by the music and the system itself, then when I was 10 I was visiting my neighbor and he played me Deep Purple’s "Black Night" and "Speed King" and my fate was sealed with rock and roll, unpacked my dads RTR (also German like the Turntable) and started recording from pirated cassettes to tape (this was back then in communist Cuba so everything was pirated) and rock and roll was banished and prohibited. Another good friend neighbor his dad was a fan of the Beatles and he also had a RTR and we used to go to this house and listen to tracks there. Music was always a part of my life, in my most uncertain moments when I had nothing and the future was open with no prospects just open, music always comforted me and gave me hope on life (kind of stupid if you think about it, what hope can music realistically offer? it won’t pay for the bills, in fact most likely will be another bill ha), then after busy working for a family and at 45 I rediscovered tubes and high end systems and I am still fascinated as I was when I was 6, not only by audio and music but the technology that allows us to experienced it and although this technology has evolved and got perfected with digital, dacs, high processing computers, class D and such I am still in awe of how the older technology still competes and it even betters some of the tech that came after. I of course believe WW2 and the Cold War has a lot to do with all those advancements in technology. So I look at the past like you were saying and I look at the millennials now and I don’t think they will put the same effort, even learning the intrinsic on how to adjust a TT, speaker toe in, room response, crossover points, and everything that makes our hobby perfect. All the knowledge (and craziness along) and typing hours placed here in these forums by all of you, will someone care? Let me give a quick example, Technics they will ship you their newest TT, their instructions are very general and mostly will make it work but not to the perfection and the standards provided in here. You go to Youtube to see how to adjust a Turntable, 95% of what you find is general as well. If you want specifics you have to come to Audiogon (maybe 2 or 3 other sites Steve Hoffman, audioasylum and such) As long as that is happening, there will be a desire to reach new levels of listening pleasure @pgaulke60 hope you are right. I know Music will live on, the desire to experience it on new levels is what I kind of question. Why all of you and not all of us? @petg60 good question, glad you noticed. I don’t consider myself at the level of proficiency and detail some others are here on Audiogon that’s why I think I excluded myself on that statement and I was referring to the ones that are actually the "soul" of Audiogon, the ones I mentioned before (in no particular order) Do you know something i don’t? I don’t know, do you? very cryptic, please provide more details, this bot cannot compute .... beep beep, shutting down now. |
What'll happen when we all die? A pretty substantial, weighty landfill. |
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When I was in my Teens everybody I spoke to had an Opinion on a HiFi Separates vs a Compact System and CD vs Vinyl was always fought over.
20 Years on and One in a Hundred were like minded enthusiasts,
Convenience and Out of Site One Box Players were the common Systems in use.
Today very rarely do I meet a like minded enthusiast during the daily grind.
Vinyl is a commodity and I have met the odd collector with a recently taken up interest.
I will only usually be approached as my Hobby is of intrigue to some
(very few indeed ) .
Forums are the ’same old’ ’same old’ Names and Discussions reinvented
I am sure the Participation in most Forums has dwindled since their inceptions from the early 2000’s
( I appreciate the Banter as it is a Participation I have pursued for over 30 Years, Enthusiasts, Engineers, Nutty Professors are all engaged with)
Green Energy and Sustainable Consumption is the New Future and
this use of energy will rush in and many of the the old ways will be vilified.
Many of the Muscle Car HiFi Systems in use today, will not be so freely spoken off, if Known to Exist after the Amnesty Period to give them up,
there will be healthy rewards to those who inform on illegal usage.
Forums as known today will be at a end, and will be with their own Dark Net Sites.
Where the Classifieds Ads are settled in Crypto Currencies.
I am looking into a very small footprint System with very low energy consumption as a future proof system at present, hopefully it can run on its own solar cell.
This system is intended for my later years if I get there, and to promote the Eco Values it offers.
It will take a lot of clever concealment and evangelism to disguise my true love and put a Smoke Screen in front of my yearning for the Power Hungry HiFi Separates that will be stored in a very secretive manner.
A lot of Planning is required and Supporting Infrastructure to be put in
place, along with the Study of a Mastering a False Persona.
All are required for when the not too distant future Dystopian Times arrive for those who are not willing to depart from their use of Muscle HiFi.
A time when Traditionalists will have a Clandestine Habit, where the Curtains are needed to be drawn and the Neighbours are on Holiday, before the 845 Monoblocks and Stacked Quads are brought out of their underground storage bunker,
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I drove #2 son to school last fall
on our way he had arranged a meet with some guy
bought himself a starter system
Carver m200t x2
Carver Tx11 tuner, Carver C2 pre
nice stack
then added some JBL Studio 570
he streams Spotify on a Schiit Modi 3
either crazier than I am or
yes there is hope for the future
music will never die
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For me it's Heaven for the weather and Hell to see your friends. Also the creeps that lied to me. Game over. |
I’m going to put in my will that my kids will inherit my iPhoto library and my Roon play history and library.
The beauty of both is the time stamp (and in the case of iPhoto, a place stamp too).
Maybe when I’m gone, someone might wonder “what was he listening to around the time when we...” and a quick interrogation of the Roon metadata will reveal all. And maybe some memories of me will come flooding back.
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luisman31,
Why all of you and not all of us?
Do you know something i don't?
Anyway i bet some will meet somewhere.
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I realize that what is wrong with this forum is that the OP question must be actionable. Then the moderator sees to the following of the rules. Clearly the moderator is asleep at the switch or nonexistent. HVAC |
@luisma31. Music lives and will continue to live and provide people pleasure. As long as that is happening, there will be a desire to reach new levels of listening pleasure. I trust the hobby live on. I wrote into my will what my children should do with my audio gear. |
@klwms Sorry for your loss. It's got to be a hard thing. Glad you are carryong the torch and continue to monitor the forum. Did your spouse post here and if so what was his handle?
@MC I am real; bad punctuation and all. |
Will someone carry the torch? Yes, if you look to the past, you will see that we are all doing that right now. Thomas Edison would be proud of you.
If you want to know what happens to your stuff in the future, well everything around you wants to use its converted energy to return back to its natural state. Think rust, it takes time but it will happen, slowly.
Enjoy your ice cream now, it is melting and you don't want to miss a drop. |
I think that Beolab 90 are on to something - different modes for different needs and different recordings.
I use old MBL 101 and recent Gradient 1.5 Helsinki. Besides different bass (I clearly prefer dipoles), some recordings benefit from omnidirectional dispersion; some others have lots of reverb in them, and sound better with Gradients. Even then, if I do not wish to stay put, I am most of the time better served by MBLs. And Gradients are not for a “party mode”. I heard Beolab 5 and almost bought them, they create wide soundstage in the whole room ... but on second thoughts they would not really replace MBLs or Gradients, so I used a defect as the pretext to back from the deal.
This made me think I may be best served by Beolab 90 - narrow when I wish so, or wide, or omnidirectional.
Beolab 90 are rather expensive. Probably with time the technology will trickle down; still, beeing impatient — and, as this thread rightfully observes, being mortal, — I cannot help thinking that I may just sell everything and look for a reasonable second hand deal on Beolab 90.
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As to the question in the title, as a BA in theology and religious studies I can confirm that we cannot go to the Good Place unless we repent and give up our gear. |
Kiwms, so sorry to hear of your loss. It has to have been devastating for you, and understandably overwhelming to have to deal with your spouses belongings in the aftermath.
When you feel ready you could start a thread here on Audiogon asking for advice about what you might be able to do to with the belongings you mentioned. There are some very knowledgeable and considerate individuals on site who might be able to help you out and steer you in the right direction. Condolences and take care,
Michael |
You'd do better off the drugs |
Interesting thread here.
I like the Watts sub-thread ;-) |
I told my wife that when I die she needs to use my stereo equipment to attract another cool guy. There's nothing more attractive than a widow with good stereo equipment ! |
No reason to be skeptical. The torch will be passed. This Thing is extremely contagious. New biological material is coming. Actually it’s drones and bots, programmed to make it seem that way. That is why although everyone who actually tries it knows mods rule, but yet the majority of posts deride mods and push everyone to buy buy buy upgrade upgrade upgrade. It’s not real people doing this. It’s all AI. Not even very good AI. But the thing about it is being bots they can post a lot. So anyone just checking in they see all the same comments they think it is from real people, and go out and buy buy buy upgrade upgrade upgrade. In reality the only actual people here are you, me, mahgister, oldhvymec and a half a dozen others. All the rest are bots. The new biological material is silicon. |
but, just in case I suggest to put little price sticker on every piece of your equipment back panels so you wife or kids won’t throw it away right after :) |
When all the old time designers and audio buffs die there will be no more standard of reference in the industry to look back on and the quality of music reproduction will suffer and this is already starting to happen and has been for years.
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No reason to be skeptical. The torch will be passed. This Thing is extremely contagious. New biological material is coming. |
anotherbob- Wow some deep atheist beliefs MC, not buying it. What is atheist about it? https://youtu.be/alRNbesfXXw?t=54You're in deep waters bob. I'm offering you a rope here. |
Deeply sorry for your lost....
My deepest sympathy and wishes.... |
This post really hit home, because my husband – a true, old
school audiophile who had read this forum for years – died unexpectedly in
January. I have all his gear and records
to deal with and it’s a bit overwhelming. I have 3 sets of electrostatic
speakers ( 2 Bevs and 1 Quad) all in various stages of being rebuilt, a vintage
Macintosh amp that just decided to stop working, a variety of other components
and a couple hundred records. I think I have found someone willing to take on
the speaker rebuilding but what do I do with all the records? They are mostly classical and jazz and the
local used record stores are only interested in rock. And the Mac amp weighs a ton. I can’t even
move it. So you all may think you’re immortal, but give a moments thought to
what you would be leaving your spouse or partner to deal with if you
unexpectedly got hit by a bus tomorrow.
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"....I think this plugs into this ’1000 watt amp’ thingy....yeah, that ’speaker’ box....that heavy thing...."
(The feedback blows all the windows out and cracks the wall next to it...)
"wELL, THAt was ah bad idea...."
(Be sure to leave instructions....not that anyone will read them prior to.....;)....) |
Our kids will not know what to do with all the albums and CDs we have collected over the years, or even be able to turn on our systems mind you.
Think about when they actually have to try to disconnect all the cables and pack up everything in the original boxes that are still all up in the attic....it won’t be pretty. |
".....are you Sure this water's' been filtered? I feel....altered....."
*wild ethereal laughter* |
"....what would I do....."?
You'll be sorry to have asked....*nasty L*
Have already struck a deal with spouse....make a cast of my ass, mould a substantial material with it, mount at appropo height off floor so she can kick it at will....or stroke when the mood is right...
I'll follow Erik at a respectful distance and see what he's snatched up....infuse the components with my 'whatever' and give him pause....;)
("Everytime I turn that stuff on, I swear it 'giggles'....")
Make Schumann Resonators resonate to a different vibe....EDM? Nuevo Nod Noodling? The options, endless....
I've already laid plans to have my carcass dissolved rather than buried or burnt, and poured into the French Broad River....
1) Last chance to be 'in' a French broad....*snicker*
2) In a very short span of time, I'll be Everywhere. In the rain you curse, the water you drink and urinate into....and you still have to cope with.
The Ultimate Revenge.
Cya', J
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My nephew took my deceased dad's first generation Marantz tube receiver and 15" (or is that 16") Tannoy speakers. He was embarrassed about "stealing" them from me when I saw the stuff at his house but I couldn't have been happier. He took bunches of old LPs as well. Luckily, Dad invited me to take the ones I wanted long, long before he died. Thus my cache of Shaded Dogs, London FFSS's, Six Eye Columbias (both red and gray label), Capital Records Sinatras etc. etc. |
in heaven, i won't give a damn. |
@anotherbob So what is your point?
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Wow some deep atheist beliefs MC, not buying it. |
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We're taking you with us! |
Teo, we are always in the moment of change. Change is a continuum like time. The problem with us humans is that we can be so change resistant. On the other hand things are happening again that are very scary. We may have not learned from history and are destined to repeat mistakes made in the past.
On a happier note. Everyone have a fun weekend and enjoy whatever you enjoy most:-) |
Dont upgrade your soul BEFORE embedding it rightfully here on earth in his 3 working embeddings dimensions...
« Grow! Fear is the only death, joy is the key to the universal memory»- Words spoken and heard between trees embracing roots...
«There is only one sound encompassing all»- Words spoken and heard between trees embracing leaves in the wind....
« Any tree is a music born from the silent roots to the spoken leaves, only one sound»- Paraphrasing Goethe in his botanizing |
Alive in 100 years?
Possible.
Research Dr. David Sinclair of Harvard.
We are in the gauntlet. We are in the moment of change.
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Is the premise that Audiogon will be around for 50 more years? I am not holding my (last) breath for that one.
Otherwise, Après moi, le déluge!
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This is not about analog directly or even music, I don’t think there is another place in this planet with adepts like most of you are here in audiogon, what will happen when you all die? Raul, MC, Mijo, Lew, Erik, Atmasphere...
Thanks. Allow me to do as usual and answer your question in the deepest most sincere and profoundly meaningful manner imaginable. Actually on second thought no. Alan Watts knows more about it and explains it far better than I ever could. I know I kid around a lot. This is not that. This is for real. As real as it gets. https://youtu.be/mMRrCYPxD0I?t=41 |
My wife likes the music but will have no hope of setting up a Schröder or even an Aro. She does at least know this and what I paid for them so will probably contact a local dealer to either dispose of them and my LPs or do a deal on something more user friendly like a Rega 10. The Naim NBLs will also defeat her but the little Thiels were always her favourite anyway so I can see her keeping those and the amps and digital source. I just hope she remembers about the transit screws.
If we both go at the same time than who cares! |
As per my current Will and Testament Keith Richards stands to inherit the main Hifi rig (my wife prefers the less complicated mini system).
DeKay
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Thanks for this depressing thread just what we needed now. @ebm I’m sorry, indeed depressing, I feel better now (I just turned 50th) Erik, I will put my stuff on the front curb. Don’t disturb my wife. @lewm Hahaha good one Lew I thought it interesting that Luis used “you” in his question. As if he is immorta l @lewm Honestly I just picked the regular characters here in Audiogon (word fictional came to my mind but you are all real I think, AI bots are incredible these days), in no particular order. The thing is Lew I read so much (did I said kenjit in my post? Oh yeah, I did) here in Audiogon that I feel like I know you ALL (of course I don’t) I am a Noob and the level you all go into audio, and tubes, and mechanics of the TT and such is impressive, no other site or place has such specialization as this one.I personally learned a big deal out of it (wait for Raul to say I did not and that I will never learn) Music won’t go away. I know, I was referring not to music exactly but the details, my children they don’t care at all, I have tried believe me, I see the younger people so careless about the world and it is a very very scary world the one we are going. Unfortunately, in the year 2071 the statues you had erected to the Audiogon Hall of Fame were torn down by an angry anti audiophile mob @afisher The mob will come from ASR If ever there was a guy who would be impossible to replace, it would be Al @brownsfan True, I hear you, such a smart gentleman Will records be around 100 years from now? Stranger things have happened, maybe not, who knows @mijostyn yeah who knows indeed, I drank the coolaid with the CD era, and Fraunhoffers MP3’s and such, and vinyl (created in their era) is still so amazing COVID has been a bitch, no? Hang in there; over soon.....mostly @frogman yes apparently the massive vaccination will take care of it, this specific week Monday (here in Miami) there was traffic, restaurants full of people, I started receiving support calls like never before, like never in the last 11 months, it feels like it is over, as a matter of fact pharmacies are missing appointments and have extra vaccines so now it is just a matter of actually having the people to get vaccinated Thank you all. |
Erik, I will put my stuff on the front curb. Don’t disturb my wife.
I thought it interesting that Luis used “you” in his question. As if he is immortal. |
a) I'm going to outlive all of you.
b) when that happens I'm taking all your stuff.
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And audiophiles will have inputs installed directly into the auditory cortex and so I n a way there will be no “audio”Philes. |
Thanks for this depressing thread just what we needed now. |
Music won’t go away. Ways to enjoy it will be different. Maybe the connoisseurs will have different obsessions. Tubes will rule after a nuclear apocalypse. |
Unfortunately, in the year 2071 the statues you had erected to the Audiogon Hall of Fame were torn down by an angry anti audiophile mob.
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If ever there was a guy who would be impossible to replace, it would be Al. He is gone, and AG lives on. Others who had real ability to contribute have moved on. AG has gone on without them, too. Sadly, in my opinion, AG has lost a bit of its soul in the process.
Your list has ignored some guys who really have deep knowledge and a helpful spirit. I'd take advice from guys like Schubert, Frogman, and Charles1dad in a heartbeat over some of the names on your list.
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@luisma31, Don't worry about it Luis. Music is a primitive instinct. It will not go away ever. It may evolve but that is it. Will records be around 100 years from now? Stranger things have happened, maybe not, who knows. But, music will soldier on. Of that I am certain. My stuff is going first to my wife then my kids. What happens to it is up to them. |
