@nagel You are right that the problem you had would be caused by a rogue radio, CB, or ham operator (in my day, when the FCC would actually be chasing these guys down they'd operate out of a mobile location (n.e. car/van) to stay ahead of them).
The problem you had is called "rf rectification". Simply, what you heard was a subharmonic of the RF signal that a non-shielded electronics is picking up and "translating". Shielding speaker wires will get you nothing as it's actually a bi-product of incorrectly or insufficiently shielded electronics.
Although I haven't run into this is a long time the cure used to be putting aluminum foil around the receiver, installing a numetal shield, or replacing the piece of electronics.
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It is hard thing to A/B test. I am not about to rip out my cabling that runs in walls and drop ceilings and replace it with newer digital cables and then go back again, and even expect that an aural memory from one listen to another is reliable. I did some testing between bog standard cat 5 and the most expensive alternative at the time, by running wires directly from the router to the streamer of the day and couldn’t perceive any difference. I split the difference and bought something costing in between just in case I was wrong but I’ve been happy with the results.
I also tried a fancier router and didn’t perceive any improvement. Recently ATT changed us to fiber and again I don’t detect any difference.
YMMV. I would just comment that if your system is so fine tuned that changes in digital cables can sound very significant, then I congratulate you on the excellence of your gear
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I once had a modest system that would pick up noise and talking whenever a local radio operator was active and even do so at lower volume when the system was off! You might ask your neighbors about HAM radios or look for towers, and try some shielding on your speaker cables. An oscope might help in determining if it’s power or RF. Just use a short wire as an antenna for RF. I'm really looking forward to your impressions of all the NA stuff, esp the Tempus.
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I have observed degraded streaming from time to time. I have a well isolated setup with 2 of the Jcat M12 switches cascaded into an Uptone Ether Regen w sfp to my server.
While I do not see the daily fluctuations I do notice a degradation over time and found that a hard reboot of my router gets the sound back to where it should be.
The scripted "Perform a hard reset" is what they always say to do when we call for internet problems, even though it usually has nothing to do with service being out.
From what the internet people say, the reset will reset the connection on their end as well and there is a whole host of things that they are doing in the background that can effect the network connection. We were being throttled frequently and once we were told that there was more than 1 person on out IP address.
Who knows what is really going on on the provider side however for me I will reset the connection at least once a week.
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@nyev If you play an equivalent local file at the same time you have bad internet quality and it’s bad too, then it’s definitely something internal. Whatever’s causing it will be between the source and the receiver.
In normal circumstances if your source and receiver are both connected to the same Enet switch then you’d troubleshoot by swapping ports, that is moving the devices to a new port, one at a time, and seeing if the problem clears up, because ports on switches can go bad. However, you may have a problem with doing this if both the server and receiver are on your Innuos switch as it’s only got 3 ports. In that case you’d swap in a temporary switch to see if the problem clears up.
I then ask, since it appears that you have more devices then the 3 on the Innuos, what are you using in front of it as your main switch, how is it connected in circuit, and are your server/receiver both on the Innuos?
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Thanks All - New Router, CAT-8 Cables, Grounding Boxes, and THC - Got It!
These are all great ideas that will likely improve sound quality (esp THC - what is that, “Total Harmonic Control” or something? Sounds promising.
But none of these will fix the dips in quality, which in case you haven’t read my post above, I agree with everyone that has said it’s not my network. Because, playing an equivalent local file is also bad when quality is bad.
That leaves noisy AC power and RF as likely culprits, but probably AC. And as above I’ve tried many conditioners and isolation transformers. It may be that my only solution is a Stromtank, one day down the road.
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I recently attended a demo of Shunyata Altaira $3k. This works to correct
noise caused by poor grounding. No idea what your issue is but I will
say that demo provided the best sound I have ever heard. Go Shunyata!!
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Occam’s razor time.
@nyev you’ve appear to have spent a lot of money and time on everything but a new router and good Ethernet cable. Dump the router from your ISP as they are worthless. Also, change out whatever Ethernet cable you’re using to Cat-8. As cheap as Cat-6e but super shielded. Check Amazon.
You’ve also mentioned that your problem occurs in the late afternoon, after your kids get home and hit the internet. Sounds like the crappy ISP router can’t take the load and is dropping out (high chance one of your internal connections is bad and causing excessive packet retries which drag down a cheap router). Also the cheap routers don’t have any sizable ring buffers so they can’t queue things up well.
Remember that 4k video requires 34Mb of bandwidth. Add on whatever else you’ve got streaming (phones (cellular using WiFi and VoIP), internet streamers/radios, television, etc. and you’re probably using 50-74Mb bandwidth easy. Bet the router you have came from when you had 100Mb or less internet.
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Unless you are hearing dropouts, it's definitely not your Internet connection.
I suggest building a dome around your house so you can control light, air pressure, and humidity. Then your only remaining variable is your mood. There may be ways to control that too!
Seriously, none of the gear- or connection-based variables being discussed here should have such a dramatic impact on sound. That's why, while I joke above, I gotta think it's some other external thing - mood, weather, something.
And I have experienced the phenomena - many people have commented that music sounds best when it is dark out. I have experienced that too, albeit that also mostly correlates to how much THC I've consumed.
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It’s probably some external change since internal changes (audio chain components) do not happen according to the 24 hour clock - worse dinner time then problems ends at the latest midnight. Therefore the obvious eternal influences are power and internet connection, or somehow EMF/RFI spikes periodically in his living zone.
Seems the only external influences come from RFI, EMI, power line, internet connection. If not within the home, then it’s the power line or the internet connection. Both peak times coincide when people use both more power and personal internet resources, dwindling as people go to bed. It can also be some business using more resources, like a restaurant, illegal manufacturing lab, Internet cafe.
If it’s the internet connection, then maybe change carriers or change carrier line if possible.
If it’s electrical, then maybe get your power quality tested. For crappy power, Stromtank or solar panels + battery storage system to at least get your system off the grid. Maybe balanced power conditioner like Equitech o EquiCore might help. Or a power generator like PS Audio. Good luck.
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I have recently been through a refresher coarse, so to speak. We had issues with cable TV., so we are streaming TV now. I had previously been streaming over 4 years. Here are a few items I found out.
-it takes 1Mb to stream music
-each tv uses 25Mb.
-then of course you would have all the others connected to WiFi. Cell phones, laptops, printers. It is easy to have a dozen items connected
-anything over 108V is considered acceptable to the power utility.. 132V is OK on the high side.
-Noise coming in the line is one thing but wall warts, connections all add EMI/RFI.
-LPS on router/modem. Add a filter to your ethernet line from router to streamer. You could experiment with some $50 DX Engineering inline filters. I have a Furman that I plug everything in to. My accuracy and sound staging took a big step forward after reducing vibration, having good connections and cleaning up noise in the digital domain.
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Lots of good recommendations ! I had issues with streaming music versus the EXACT same album loaded on my Innuos ZENith MK3 with a Phoenix USB re-clocker. I use Qobuz which in my listening opinion sounds slightly better than Tidal. No matter what time of day though did streaming sound much better until I added in an Uptone-Audio EtherREGEN device between my Ethernet modem and the ZENith. Finally the music streamed was very close to that loaded onto the ZENith. I believe re-clocking the Ethernet signal with high-quality clocking and noise isolation from the EtherREGEN made all the difference no matter what time of day. It's the most cost-effective $-for$ I've spent for sonic improvement. My present cable internet service is ~300mbps. I will soon be going to fiber-optics with another ISP and their minimum service is ~500mbps. So, with this change I'll know if anything improves, as I will keep both running and do a direct comparison before cancelling the cable service. I'll let y'all know what I find ! In my opinion, I don't think for audio you would need any more than what I have presently for internet speed as sonically the streamed music is extremely close (splitting hairs) to that stored on my music server.
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@nyev
And, one kid is playing games online and the other is FaceTiming friends in a marathon call.
@wsrrsw
Have you asked, bribed or manacled your kids and others to cease web activity during the sound downturn times?
There is a much better solution than cajoling your kids. Look up Quality of Service (QoS) and how to set it on your router. This will enable you to allocate bandwidth to streaming that cannot be usurped by Call of Duty or FaceTime.
You don’t need to allocate a lot to streaming. Even a hi-res 192/24 stream only uses about 10 Mbs.
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I tried the battery experiment for one day, and I should try it again for a longer period and with different amps - but I was not aware of a change in sound quality. I was using my AGD Duet amps that draw about 13 watts each while listening to music, so they were well below the capacity of the EcoFlow battery (1800w, Surge 3400w). In any case, it's good to know I can still listen to music during power outages.
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@audphile1 , I used to have the amp plugged into the PSM156 but have been running it into the wall directly for some time now, in a dedicated 20A line. While I prefer it plugged into the wall, I didn’t actually experience any loss of dynamics, end like now, the sound quality would occasionally dip very low. As I mentioned I’ve tried a number of conditioners none of which helped with this issue.
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@nyev is your amp plugged into the PSM156? Reason I’m asking is, when I had this power conditioner I noticed a very significant reduction in dynamics. I always had the amp plugged into the wall outlet because of it. Even the DAC and preamp were affected. I ended up selling the PSM156 and I have everything plugged into the wall now. I would at least try running the amp directly from the wall for a week or so. See what happens.
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@tonnesen that is a very interesting option (running off of batteries). Are there any downsides to the SQ vs other more traditional alternatives?
I did read a report from a fellow Audiogoner who had much experience with conditioners before going to a Stromtank - which is a very, very expensive solution. But even that he mentioned in a post that he felt there was some loss of dynamics.
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@nyev Have you considering running your system on batteries? I have an Ecoflow Delta 2 Max and a Growatt 1300, (both are lithium iron phosphate with pure sine wave inverters) and I can run my system on them for over 24 hours before recharging.
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@mvanwoert Google "Roon buffer size" and you'll find several useful discussions about this.
Open up the Roon ap, right click on your DAC / streamer and then scroll to the bottom and look under advanced options.
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like others have said in this thread, I think it must be a power issue as opposed to network.
That is where I was headed. I haven't had any comments regarding my comment on ev's, so let me elaborate. Where @nyev and I live in BC there is zero incentive for off-peak hours to charge ones electric car, unlike most states which have adopted time of use for electricity to attempt to shift the load on the grid and balance the system. Therefore, without incentive to change ones habits people will do what is most convenient- charge their car when they get home from work, the same time as they turn their electric heat on (there are many homes on the island without gas, and it has been cold in BC lately), turn the lights on, and start their microwaves, ovens, TV's, then put in a load of laundry etc. The reason for peak demand for electricity and the reason for the poor sound quality, I am assuming due to the increased noise on the lines moreso than actual reduced capacity- I think our infrastructure has eliminated the potential for brown-outs. Most or all here know about this, I am not saying anything you all don't know already, but maybe all aren't aware in my case at least when I plug in it is a 240/60amp breaker? Which is the same amount of electrical draw as 2 arc welders. Now imagine there are 3 neighbors on the same transformer as the OP, essentially 6 arc welders are being used the same time as he wants to listen to his tunes, and of course in addition to all of the other "peak use" electricity appliances listed above. What if it is 10 neighbors with ev's? Which is quite possible. It must have some effect on the quality of our electricity. The term "peak electricity use" did exist before electric vehicles, now it is even more of a factor.
Maybe grounding boxes will help, but that would be an expensive shot in the dark to hope it’s the solution! I’ll keep trying things.
It is definitely more cost effective to just not listen critically during 4-7 pm 😁
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@nyev I don’t see anything in recent posts as to whether you’ve gone back to your ISP to have your ONT checked. That’s the converter to change fiber to either coax or RJ45. Fiber itself doesn’t use a modem,
Your previous post said that you’re using the ISP provided fiber modem and wifi router. Is the modem truly a fiber to RJ45 or coax to RJ45 connection? If it’s coax to RJ45 then get the ISP to get you a connection into your house that’s an RJ45 ethernet connection (they can do this if the outside connection is an ONT panel that’s a Motorola or Calix which they can set to provide both). The problem with the coax is that it’s usually using the old RG6/RG11 that’s interconnecting throughout your house through a number of splitters. The ISPs usually like doing this because it means that they don’t have to rewire your house when they put the fiber in.
As far as the ISP provided router is concerned, dump it and get something decent. The ones provided by the ISPs are usually cheap (for them) Arris or Actiontechs that probably cost them about $2 each. Go buy a decent wifi router such as a Netgear Nighthawk X5400 or TP-Link Archer X5400 or a mesh system such as Netgear Orbi, Eero Pro6, or TP-Link Deco. You’ll probably find that this is where your problem was. I’m surprised that with all the money you’ve spent on filters, conditioners, and the like that you didn’t do this first.
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Thanks All, lots of ideas and as I mentioned I’ve been dealing with this issue for a few years now, with numerous changes to my system during that period.
Lots of great ideas to improve my upstream network to consider. That said, while these ideas may improve my system, I am doubtful they will resolve my occasional extreme quality dips. Because, like others have said in this thread, I think it must be a power issue as opposed to network. I started this thread hoping maybe I did have a network issue as I think that sort of issue would have a better shot at being solvable.
I’ve experienced a few dips since starting this thread, but not as extreme as last Friday evening. During the recent dips, I did try to see if the gap between the local and streamed file widened, but it did not - they both seemed slightly degraded which again points to power - or possibly RF noise - being the culprit…
Maybe grounding boxes will help, but that would be an expensive shot in the dark to hope it’s the solution! I’ll keep trying things.
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Linear power supplies on router, as well as your switch
jcat Ethernet reference Ethernet cables more natural then the AQ Diamond
i own one put the Jcat as your end point , and digital power cords which have extra screening .
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Erik, I note your comment that you can increase the buffer size for Roon. Can you point me in that direction? I had lots of issues with HiRes over a mesh network. The system is now wired but I still occasionally have stoppages that i suspect are related to buffering. Thanks, Mike
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A significant amount of RF penetrates through the equipment chassis itself. A significant amount enters through vinyl.
Neither of these paths can be managed with a power line filter. Its up to the manufacturer of the equipment to create a power supply that filters the RF before penetrating the power supply. But, a over filtered power supply can sound flat and lifeless. This is especially true with a phono preamp.
I tried the puritan ground box. It did nothing in my system. But the dealer that sent it to me doesn't even use it. He uses CAD. What I am saying is a good ground box may help. But your going to need at least 2. One for chassis and one for signal. Then you need a bunch of cables. A good ground box solution is generally around $7k to $15K in equipment.
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Does the issue occur with vinyl or just digital.
Do you have a CD player to try?
You should have a dedicated modem and a dedicated router. A duel use modem/router is not as good.
You should have a filter at your data demarcation powering your modem, router and switch.
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@nyev absolute killer of a system there dude!
Have you added any acoustic treatments as well?
I’ll just add this for 💩 s and goggles…
I’ve recently compared, once again, CD vs streaming (yes I can’t be helped lol) and throughout the course of this adventure the sound quality definitely goes up late at night for CD and streaming. It’s been the case for me for years, even way before streaming was a thing. But as everyone else here I’m super curious to see you get out of this pickle and tell us how.
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@nyev
My digital streaming further improved and stabilized by using a high quality 50FT CAT8 LAN (LinkUp from Amazon) between my Infinity Modem ➡️ SoTM iSO-CAT7 ➡️ Telegartner switch. The LinkUp cable replaced a pair of mesh network pods. I have also upgraded to 1Gb/s speed.
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Ok, so not the real obvious stuff. You have a challenge. Given what you have tried sounds like your logically taking apart the problem… logic will eventually succeed. I’m looking forward to hearing what successfully solves this.
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@nyev how many neighbors have electric cars?
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Thanks for the ideas All. My sound has not experienced a SIGNIFICANT dip in quality since Friday evening so I’ve not yet had the chance to test streamed vs local file during a “bad” period.
To answer a few questions that have come up:
- No I don’t have a dedicated network line to my Innuos Zenith Mk3 streamer. I do have the Innuos PhoenixNET switch in front of my streamer/server.
- During the bad periods before I’ve had family members stop their internet usage in the house and it didn’t improve things noticeably
- I’ve upgraded power cables a number of times (have Audioquest Dragons now) and the major quality swings remain
- I’ve tried several conditioners including the AQ Niagara 5000, a Shunyata Hydra, a Puritan PSM156, and also a Torus RM 20 isolation transformer and they all had equal swings in quality. None were any better than the other in this front so I highly doubt a different conditioner is the answer. Also sceptical that a PS Audio regenerator would produce better results, but I’d be open to that possibility. Not my first place to look to fix but something in the back of my mind.
- Ahead of my Innuos PhoenixNET switch I just have the fiber modem from my ISP, feeding a the wifi router from my ISP which feeds an inexpensive D-Link switch in a smart panel (should I upgrade this???), with 60ft of generic new network cable going through my wall that eventually feeds my Innuos network switch. Maybe there is a problem here???
- I need to update my system listed on Audiogon - I now have a Tambaqui DAC, the Innuos Zenith Mk3 and PhoenixUSB reclocker (no Grimm MU1 anymore), I have a Puritan PSM156 now, and I’ve upgraded my my speakers to Audiovector R6 Arrete’s. Also have upgraded all power cords to Audioquest Dragons.
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@nyev There’s an old saying, "Madness takes it toll; please have exact change." Feel for you. I have gone through a months’ long house internet bugaboo that was h e double hockey sticks to sort out.
Is streamer hard wired?
It does seem like power is the bandit but is it something in your network? Given the excellence of your equipment, I imagine you have enterprise level or better stuff up stream of your streamer.
Have you asked, bribed or manacled your kids and others to cease web activity during the sound downturn times? This could be a revealing test. When there are problems the network pros always isolated it one part a time and build back in (I made this up but it sounds official). Run your system and then add back one other things, one at a time.
A few more pot shot thoughts. Have you swapped out power supply cables? Is something in the jumble of cables too close to something else?
St. Jude?
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Ok, this is really interesting… I am sure not so much for you.
+1 @audphile1
You are comparing this to analog? I see some albums in your photos. Because this sounds like a power problem to me. My streamers are extremely insensitive to the incoming bitstream.
Are you direct wired into your streamer?
Do you have direct lines to your system.
I think I said this before… nice system.
What happens if you take your power conditioner out of the loop.
Can you borrow a different high end power conditioner… Everest or something?
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@nyev just looked at your system pictures…couple of things you can try, if I may suggest…
1. Raise your cables off the floor. Cable elevators are not expensive. AQ makes decent ones called fog lifters. Lifting the speaker cables, interconnects and power cables off the floor in my system makes an audible difference.
2. try to position your signal cables as far away from power cables as possible or at least don’t lay them down close to one another in parallel - create a 90 degree angle and it should be ok
3. your amplifier is too close to your streaming components. The power supply can be creating an EMI there. I would move the Innuos stuff away from it about a foot at least if possible. I’ve found, in my system with all the amps I ever had that the system sounded its best with the amp on the floor or amp stand and as far away from source components as possible . This will probably minimize the noise your speaker cables may be picking up from the streamer / network components ascwell.
Again, just a thought and is cheap or even free to try.
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Was researching whether the issue could be my Valhalla 2 speaker cables (since I first noticed the issue after upgrading to these cables) and I came across a thread on that topic on this forum, that I had started years ago. Didn’t recall it but that’s probably because there was nothing conclusive. As above maybe I just need to get a premium demo pair of speaker cables from another vendor to compare during the bad quality period, if only to rule out the outside chance the issue would be addressed with a different set of cables and to rule out the possibility that my Valhalla 2’s are not enabling the problem.
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Just had a thought. People in this thread have mentioned that a component could be to blame. But the only gear that has not been swapped in or out while the issue has persisted, besides cabling, is my Diablo 300 integrated. Everything else has been added removed or changed while this problem has existed.
BUT…. The first time I noticed this issue ever was when I upgraded from Clarus Crimson Biwire speaker cables (fantastic speaker cables these…) to Nordost Valhalla 2 speaker cables. A couple of years ago I did ask Nordost if they’d could be picking up RF energy or something and I think they said something to the effect of yes, but the amount would be negligible and couldn’t have any effect. So I had attributed it to the increased transparency of the Nordost cables exposing the issues. But now, I’m wondering if just maybe it IS a component issue, and the component with the issue is my Valhalla 2 cables.
To be clear I think this is almost certainly not the issue. BUT, because I first noticed the issue when adding these cables to my system, maybe I should try to rule it out. Am thinking I might need to get my hands on a demo pair premium speaker cables to try, at a Valhalla 2 or better level.
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@lordrootman, I’ve had this problem for a couple of years in my system, prior to my 20A dedicated lines and prior to my conditioners. In fact, the dedicated 20A lines and conditioners was my first attempt to address the issue. I even engaged @kingrex of King Rex Electric to help draft a specification for my dedicated lines. These upgrades really helped improve things, but the massive shift in quality depending on time was still there. I know this issue is not unique, but I feel like the degree of the variance I get may be extreme and unusual. Ranges from an unlistenable stuffy mess to absolutely sublime.
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OP can you bypass all the conditioners and plug all your equipment directly to wall AC you can also skip the 20amp AC and use regular 15-10 outlet
it’s definitely power problem
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@jeffseight just read up on the Add Power devices and they sure look interesting. Would definitely like to try one if I could but at the same time, it doesn’t look designed to deal with the specific issues that I’m having.
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@wsrrsw I’ve tried cutting power to the TV, and yeah, I did think of that. No devices or appliances are near my system. LED household pot lights are near by. No cell towers or anything nearby that I know of. It’s generally (but not always) the same time windows when quality tanks so pretty sure it’s related to AC and possibly internet service quality blips.
Yes, I’ve tried three different streamers (Innuos, Grimm, N20).
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@nyev Could the TV be sending out some sort of interference? Could it be one of the components (doubtful). What kind of lights are in use near by? Is there some big eclectic using appliance near by? Micro wave tower near by?
Perhaps I missed it but have you tried another streamer?
’Round suppah time is when internet usage in residential areas is highest.
FYI I use starlink and that’s way up from the 12MB service before it.
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@jeffseight , I am based in western Canada. Never heard of the device you are referring to but I’ll look into it - thanks for the suggestion.
I’ve not been able to measure the quality of my power as I don’t have a meter that reads THD. I mentioned above that I had measured my internet service quality using Fusion network tests (a website you go to and click to start the test). Measures jitter, latency, download and upload speed. And as I mentioned, when the sound is bad, jitter and latency go from their normal 3ms and 12ms to spikes of 40ms or so and 70ms, respectively. I’m simply guessing that AC quality is also poorer during those times.
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@jkevinoc , I believe you are correct in the way that modern playback software works. But I don’t believe the “captured” and cached stream would be a bit-perfect copy of an equivalent purchased local file at the same bit rate. Possibly due to differences in the streaming company’s source file, and possibly due to errors introduced in the stream that the cached copy came from originally (due to noise or jitter). And yes, I am aware that the Ethernet protocol has error correction built in, but I still believe noise and jitter are still factors.
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nyev did you say you had measured the power to see how bad it is?
Ever try an ADD-POWR Sorcer X4 ? They seem to work well with bad power systems.
If you live in the NW or So Cal I can help you try one.
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As I have understood streaming over the many years that I have been doing it (remember the Griffin iMic?), the "streamed" files are downloaded, cached and replayed by the given software: Apple Music/iTunes, Spotify, Qobuz et al.
Although someone of you may refute that, it seems that the problem of line, processor, cable etc. noise has largely been solved by well-wrought(writ?) playback software.
Just measuring the sound floor in a quiet NJ den, I get readings of 27-30dB.
Whose ears and brain can process that amount of ambient hash and hear the "effect" of AC, cable, fiber transmission?
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Was looking forward to comparing my streamed song against the local file tonight during the “bad” period, but unfortunately for the test, it’s really not sounding bad at all tonight. Not at all like last night which was unlistenable. And, one kid is playing games online and the other is FaceTiming friends in a marathon call. And there’s a kitchen fan in the background that is on, plus there is a loud computer fan that is on as well. Doesn’t sound as great as really late or earlier in the day, but not terrible like it was yesterday!
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Your digital can and does pick up packet noise from home to home
this is why I installed a good LPS power supply and bought my own upgraded router modem combo motorola 8702 which has docsis 3.1 many are older 3.0
the new ones much better wifi picture even tv streaming Roku.
I hard wire my streaming the LPS which I use Linear Tube Audio Excellent !
nothing even close under $1200 , it’s on sale$700 Audiogon and the DC cableto the router is excellent ,most others charge $150 for the cable , youcan buy a LPS for $3-400 but no where is good and crappy Dc cable , use decent aftermarket power cords.and a decent Ethernet switch for $600 the best LHY , SW-8
eastern electric no not as good just look at the parts quality compared. And decent Ethernet cables . The most important cable for sure is at the end point. Look for Telegartner make topEthernet connectors on your cables.
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@lalitk yes I’m really looking forward to trying the Network Acoustics products. It was Christiaan’s review on HiFi Advice that really motivated me to order those goodies. He’s a great and very descriptive reviewer who is not afraid to compare products in a descriptive way. And everything he said about the Tempus are the qualities I’m always seeking. The big question is, how it compares to the PhoenixNET, which of course is highly regarded. From Christiaan’s review I am expecting the Tempus to possibly be airier with the PhoenixNET being more dense and organic, but we’ll see.
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I think it’s probably 85% power related and 15% ambient noise or something to that effect. Who knows…gremlins everywhere 😂
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