I listen because I like to listen to music? I also like it to sound the best it can but it can’t everywhere all the time so that’s fine and I will still listen if it sounds at all good. Audible distortion is right out for the most part but I like a sweet sounding tube amp as much as the next guy. But given the choice I will listen on my best system system setup. On any given day I could chose to listen in over a dozen ways including car and headphones. Variety is the spice of life! Viva la music and good sound to boot!
Why Do You Listen? A Poll Question
P.O.L.L.
Type MUSIC if
I love music and don’t care about Audio Quality. I’m a lover of music.
Type SOUND if
If it does'nt sound great I’m just not interested. I’m a lover of high quality sound.
Type COME ON GUYS if
Audiogon. We need a Polling App for the forum.
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We can listen music on anything... Furtwangler will stay a genius on an Ephone...,. I prefer good sound but music has nothing to do with AMPLIFIED sound... A stradivarius is not a 50 bucks violin and any violonist will care about the SOUND of his instrument... But the same violonist could listen music on a ephone and do not care so much about his sound system... there is three vocabulary for three different fields here : the vocabulary of audio : soundstage, imaging, harshness, digfital,analog , etc the vocabulary of acoustic : reflection-diffusion-absorption- resonance reverberation time etc The vocabulary of music : rythm, hamony, tonality, atonality, polytonality, arpeggio, polyphony, melody, etc These three vocavulary intersect in the timbre concept and experience for example but describe it in three different perspectives...
Half of audiophiles at least know more about the gear varieties than about music varieties and they know even less about acoustic...😊 Acoustic and psycho-acoustic is the heart of audio not the gear.... And i listened most of my life music by geniuses on bad audio system... Because of budget choice... Some are even scandalized that i listened music on cd instead of turntables... But half of the persian and Indian music i listened to was on cd not on vinyl... And i never listened pop music then i dont care about vinyl...Turntable maniac dont listen indian raga not turkisch sufi music.... All way more available on the cd format ... And when you buy thousand and thousand of books you dont buy thousand and thousand vinyl... I was not Bill Gates... 😊
Then you are not alone stuartk...
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I so do not relate to this conflation of sonics with what is "good' in music". Many, many musicians care little about SQ. , because "music" is melody, rhythm. harmony -- not sonics. But I realize I'm probably in a minority, here.
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"So, I found Luna (Alessandra Safina) and Turandot (Nessun Dorma, Andre Bocelli Live in Centra Park)." LOL That's not the record I was thinking of but I'll look for that today! Glad you liked it. I was talking about this https://www.prostudiomasters.com/album/page/27816
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Good Lord, I still listen to music on the car radio, with the windows or top down, going 70... Obviously I'm not very concerned with sound quality, but the experience as a whole. I can still groove to Foghat running down a tight twisty in the Appalachian foothills. Completely different experience sitting in my little one-seat listening room. |
So, I found Luna (Alessandra Safina) and Turandot (Nessun Dorma, Andre Bocelli Live in Centra Park). WOW! I was able to playback in Doby Atmos, the ambience in Central park with the crowd, the singers in the chorus distinct separate voices coming together at the end. 😮 I never thought of listening to live opera recordings in Dolby Atmos and it definitely was amazing. I am going to try the whole album of the Central Park recording next time. BTW, Luna (I hope that's the right track) is great too, thanks!
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"Human ears don't lie. If you've been listening a good music, you ears can't stand a bad sound/music. "
Exactly how I feel. Good music based on what I like MUST sound great, otherwise I don't listen to it. Can't do it.
Thins even goes back to original thread, "is there some things certain people hear that others can't that makes them audiophile?" Right now I'm listening to GoGo Pengin " A Humdrum Star". I mainly listen to acoustic bass trio's and solos, Peo Alfonsi, Enzo Pietropaoli, Japanese Koto "Keiko", but also Opera , Jose Cano "Luna", but also Dead Can Dance Live and Mahler and Wagner, even some Shelac. My tastes are varied, BUT IT MUST SOUND SPECTACULAR. Thats why I've spent 30 years trying and I think succeeded in building a simple inexpensive GREAT sounding system.
Thank you all for contributing.
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op, sorry bud, but your original post is just plain stupid, full stop -- you get to post your op, i get to state my opinion on it plenty of pointless threads on this forum, but for this one, i am just calling out the plain-as-day idiocy of the question posed -- as it entirely misses the point of why dedicated people pursue high end hifi passionately -- to hear beautiful music, faithfully reproduced... it isn’t an either/or do foodies eat meals to quell hunger or savor via the senses? |
MUSIC. A great thread! People forgot why the hi-end audio.
Nowadays, people don’t talk about the music and musicality. All they say is the sound. People spend so much money and effort to upgrade, and they won’t be satisfied unless they focus on the musicality.
The Opera music could be your taste if your audio system is capable. Many people like to listen R&R/pop music since their musical notes are direct, simple, and easy to understand. Almost any low-fi systems are fine with them. To engage with many classical music, a good audio system is needed. Any veil, brightness, distortion, and low resolution sounds are a interference to the listening many classical music. Also, even if you have a capable system, your ears need few hours or days to get used to the sound. Human ears don’t lie. If you’ve been listening a good music, you ears can’t stand a bad sound/music. You will notice a better sound system when you hear it. If you are around many good systems, you will notice differences and will chose your taste. If you can’t hear the difference, they are all bad sound systems. Just remember, the original music is cleanest, smoothest, and the most musical. Alex/Wavetouch |
"I take exception with your first hypothesis. Why would anyone "choose" to listen to bad audio quality? " people in the original thread stated that is exactly what they do, and that they don't mind as long as the hear music. That's really the point of the question. At least two stated they did, so I figured..."How random is that?" |
Survey Monkey is a great polling app. It’s free BUT does require a premium subscription to exceed 50 responses. About $100 annually. I did a survey here recently and paid for it out of pocket. It was worth the investment. Would be nice if A’Gon would fund this. Could learn a lot about each other. Fast. Efficient. Revealing. Why not? |
Main and Office Musical Content 1st, combined with Excellent Engineering/Imaging Garage/Shop Content Mostly, however working on counter 'centered' Imaging also Important Auto Music that can be successfully listened to at 'not too loud' volumes, i.e. Voice not buried in sound, or small Jazz Trios etc., still audible while Donna is napping. |
@mahgister +1 Lotte Lenya and The Three Pfennig Opera! |
kota 1 have a point here.... Sound immersiveness and clarity can help someone to go beyond his limited tastes and habits... Myself because everything sound clear and immersive in my audio system , i live each evening in ectasy... i would even like to upgrade but it seems preposterous and impossible... I am afraid to do so because of the staggering costlier price at stake... Save the Choueri BACCH filters one day...Because with this filters dac i know for sure that it will not be marginal but deep upgrade... When the sound is so good anybody can begin to appreciate the richness of world music not only jazz or classical... my favorites albums are not in a style or in a genre... they are the musicians and composers i called geniuses..
By the way kota1 , i would be curious of your sonic impressions and musical impressions about 2 operas: among my favorite , Kurt Weil Die Dreigroschenoper with Lotte Lenya because the soundfield is top...And it is the best interpretation ever of this masterpiece which contain the soul of an era ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR33bL5aNTk&t=1277s And Philip Glass Akhnaten for the same reason and it contain the soul of ancient Egypt... It is a masterpiece... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji6LTT6tLpQ&list=PLgZD-wYM2ETQtXCBMtFMGM32DY22jLohM&index=1 :
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SOUND I can’t listen to opera MUSIC, not my taste. But go to the opera with high quality SOUND, yes. I can say the same thing for about every genre of music that’s not my taste, a LIVE performance with high quality sound? Check, count me in. The next best thing is a concert blue ray in my 9.3.8 immersive audio setup. Music that is "meh" can sound great with a concert blueray. When it comes to hirez,redbook, lowrez if it is a genre I don’t care for low fidelity makes it unlistenable, period. |
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