Speakers for a Large Room (20’x37’)

We are planning (hoping) to remodel our place to create a large open listening space that opens to kitechen, etc. similar in size to OP and others here.  We put together two systems with this future use in mind.  Two thoughts:  1) definitely explore Tannoy, but I suggest go big if the budget permits.  I have the Arden's (with Tannoy super tweeters, driven by Luxman M-900u monos), and they are very good, but to us, not good enough to drive such a large space.   For that, we went with Tannoy Kingdom Royal Carbon Specials.   2)  We have concluded that no 2-channel system is complete without a pair of top quality subs, and for that I mean REL Carbon Special or above (Nos. 31/32).   Yes, the RELs bring more to the entire spectrum, even with the big, full-range Kingdom Royal.   BTW, with the Arden I am running a pair of REL 212/SX.   Big room, big drivers.  

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Lately, I’ve been thinking of trying something else, just for a change.

Instead of trying the same ol same ol from the same ol sales guy selling you the same ol thing over and over....you could indeed try something "different".

Try the rather unique Polk L800...The latest rev of their SDA tech built into this speaker will throw a huge deep enveloping soundstage, etc give you the goodies in the large room. It looks like that for a reason. Set it about 6 or 7 ft apart (no extra wide placement) firing straight into the room and watch the fireworks.

(As the ol’ saying goes.....Same ol same ol everyday if things don’t change, you’re just gonna rot

Cuz if you do what you always do, you’ll always get what you always got.)

I ended up with the CW4’s, and have been very happy with them, but as I mentioned, I don’t listen to loud music.  Lately, I’ve been thinking of trying something else, just for a change.  The Kaya 45’s are attractive, as are the Volti’s.  I’ll probably get more serious after the Holidays.  The Joseph Audio Perspectives have also caught my eye.  Too many choices!

@doni what did you end up getting?

I'm jealous of that room. My Maggies would KILL in that room.

So are you trying to fill the whole room or do have a listening chair? How far away from the speakers do you normally position your self ( when you wife is out ) 

Doni...tried to contact you. ABT X-3's

you have at least 20 good choices, and you should listen to at least 7 of those.

I'd start with an Excel spreadsheet, 5 evaluation criteria, and sort out what those 7 should be

Humans are ok.

I have a room bigger than that with a balcony and cathedral ceiling and I use my Polk Lism707 and they sound Great and so do other people ,I have had over  Ok there not Audiophiles, just human beings ...lol.

Magico Q7s would make for a satisfactorily larger room filling and bank account emptying experience, I would think.

I like the blades as well. 91db efficiency but for a large space I like that it sounds good over the entire listening area. Many of the speakers mentioned have a small sweet spot, but the blades sound good over a much larger area

I own klipsch speakers, but i only find them suitable for home theater. While the RF7 3’s are not the most expensive speakers Klipsch sell, I can tell you they are some of the worst sounding speakers (for music) that I have ever heard. Even matched with high end equipment in a great room there was nothing I could do to make them sound good. It’s not just about how loud a speaker will go, it’s also about how good it sounds. Two thumbs down to klipsch

A lot of ppl here are only mentioning high spl/ high sensitivity speakers. If thats all that mattered i could easily recommend a cheap pair of horn speakers that will rock your socks off.

However, SOUND QUALITY MATTERS. not just how loud it is or how easy it is to drive

AT is a legacy and kef dealer so would know best but the blade is rated at 117 max spl. Klipsch highs were always too splashy for me and they seem to be a love em or leave em brand. There's a pair of meridian dsp 8000's on auction right now that will get it done and sound great while being fully active.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.  As @tomic601 says, I just need to get out there and listen.  At least now I have a manageable set to evaluate.

Now, stop mucking about. These will blend you into the wall paint, affect your blood circulation and rearrange you on a molecular level. Oh, and they reproduce music very cleanly. ATC SCM110ASL Pro Dual 9" Powered 3-way Studio Monitor ATC 1" dual-suspension S-Spec tweeter ATC 3" Super Dome midrange driver Twin SL Spec 9" bass drivers Onboard ATC grounded-source 350W Tri-amp pack Maximum continuous SPL (1 meter): 115dB Amplifier output: LF 200W, MF 100W, HF 50W Weight: 160.6 pounds

My wife have bunch of girlfriend over last weekend and we have several system but the girl love the Cessaro horn system over them all. We spend all night in office listen to lp but they also all gather round Maggie to watch me pump iron too naturally. 

Several have already mentioned the Klipsch Cornwall...I concur as well, however if you really want to pressurize a space as large as yours I can suggest stacked Klipsch Cornwall’s. I have such a set up and they are spectacular. You invert the top pair so that you have a “D’Appolito”  alignment. (MTM...Midrange, Tweeter, Midrange). The only downside is some “ Comb Filtering” effects, however it’s not to bad. The stacked Cornwall’s are shockingly dynamic, and image surprisingly well, considering the Comb Filtering that takes place, especially if you can set them up so that they are well out into the room, and your seating distance is at least that of a equilateral triangle ( even a little farther back will help with imaging  (the Comb Filtering effects won’t be as noticeable.)

Cheers....

@doni 

 

Call Carl or Marilyn at Nola and they will direct you to a dealer.  They are located in Brooklyn.  The KO is a great speaker. I have owned a pair for almost six years.  The price has climbed steadily over the years though.  The Champ is the same concept just smaller cabinet and fewer drivers.  

Who is the Nola dealer in the U.S.?   These look interesting.

I would agree with the Nola KO for a large room. I have to say I heard the new model, The Champ. Nola was in a large room at The Capital Audiofest. The Champs carried the room with no problem.

One other option, sort of off the beaten path is the Classic Audio Reproductions line.

We've done ballrooms with the Classic Audio Loudspeakers T-1 and T-3. With that room size using those speakers I'd recommend 100 watts if you plan to crank it up. That would be true of any of the Tannoys as well. If you have a Klipsh corner horn set you might get by with 20-30 watts. That's a big room- you don't want to push the amp hard if you want the best sound- it makes a difference!

@doni The Tannoys I've heard & liked are the Turnberry & Kensington, but they also have other models specifically designed for large rooms. Maybe someone who has compared those can comment. Cheers, 

Spencer

 +2 On the JBL M2's with SUB18's.

@sbank I'll probably use the 30.8 during the colder months and then switch to Belles Aria separates when it gets hot here in the Southeast.  My tube amps are all low power (<10wpc).  Then there's always Class D.  Which Tannoys would you recommend for my space?

@doni Are you planning on using the Pass 30.8 amp or changing to whatever you decide is a good match for the speakers? Many of the speakers mentioned would benefit from more power; some prefer SS or tubes. 

As to personal opinions:

I prefer the better Tannoys to Klipsches for more natural tone and more transparency. The Klipsch are strong in terms of lively, "jumping out of the speaker", but lack attributes of many of the best speakers.

Of all the dynamic speaker options, Vandersteen 5 or 7 are fantastic and are more tuneable to your specific room than most. Hard to go wrong, and even if you change direction later, resale value is among the most stable of all brands.

But if it were my money, Soundlabs are the ticket. IMHE, head and shoulders better than the suggested Maggies, which I've heard many times in many systems. Soundlabs do require relatively high power, as do the bigger Maggies, so take that into consideration. You should have seen the jawdrop of my 20.7-owning friend when he heard my 30yr old Sounlabs!

One other option, sort of off the beaten path is the Classic Audio Reproductions line. @atmasphere is well versed on the subject! I've heard them at shows doing a fantastic job in huge rooms. 

Cheers,

Spencer

 

Magnelplaners IF your hardware is good enough.

They will blow you out of your skin if set up properly.

You will be sorry if you do not try them even if you do not like them in the end.

Cheers!

If you can afford the Magico M6's, why not get the M9's? Talk about $$$$$$.

I was going to say Klipsch Cornwalls as well, but Tannoy is also very good choice. I sometimes wish I hadn't gotten rid of my Tannoy DC8TI's without giving them a fair chance. 

Spaeker 102,

**which speakers do you guys think I should avoid due to flaws?**

Seas Thors are flawed, as they have xovers and low sens db level. 

But excellent as FR assist. 

Next Q. 

 

speaker 101

Never make rm  size a  1st consideration when choosinga  speaker, 1st consideration, is 

the level  of fidelity of a  speaker, Colored?

Muddy?

Fatigue, resonances, loud shout, etc .

What you need to ask 

**Hey guys , what speaker do you think offers the highest sound fidelity?**

Spaeker 101

Hi OP. First, what a lovely system you have put together:-) should sound great. In the Charleston great room we had Vandersteen 5a with an Ayre 200 wpc amp. With built in powered subs and 11 bands of analog EQ no problem filling the space. That is a big room to fill w Treo. I would set them up for the 15' chair per the manual ( tilt # washers ) Probably less toe in than normal and the Treo has directivity control in grill and is designed to be near back wall. In my current room ( see Casa Pacifica system pictures, it's a large volume but speakers are on a segment of the long wall. Good bass to below 40 HZ. I would certainly try what you have, mess around w placement. Consider adding two sub3, they have the EQ to tame room . Please do join us at Vandy owners web forum at factory site. Best to you !!! Jim

@tomic601 Curious to hear about how you tamed your room.  I'm currently using a Lumin U1 Mini into PS Audio DSJr. into Backert Rhumba pre-, into Pass XA30.8 into Vandersteen Treo CT's in the subjeft listening space.  I use Qobuz through Roon and have an AudioLab CD player, though I hardly ever use it.  I've just moved the Treo's into the room, and don't yet have a rug to tie the room together :)  I'm thinking the Treo's may work, but am here trying to find another solution in case they don't.

MAGICO M6 get them ASAP!!

+3 on the JBL Everest DD67000.  Add in a pair of JBL SUB18's.

Or, JBL M2's with SUB18's.  The waveguides are wonderful in larger rooms.

at this level, you need to get out and hear different designs.... what is the budget and ancillary equipment ? best to you. I had a 20 x 40 x 10 room, presents challenges and rewards....fun

enjoy the journey and the music

+ 2 On the JBL Everest DD67000

Thanks for the Tannoy/Cornwall comparison @sbrogdon , I appreciate it, as this is germane to the direction I've been considering.  Not to say I won't research all the other speakers mentioned.  

I auditioned the Cornwall IV's and loved them. But I didn't think the imaging was quite as good as what I wanted, so I went with the Ardens, without auditioning them, on a lark.

I think they would be perfect for your size room. Both are relatively unsightly compared to other options (according to some. I loved both)... But the sound...

If you get a chance to audition them broken in, that would be wise. The Tannoys do take about 500 hours to losen up. And it's not a pretty journey at times.

I can say the Cornwalls are likely better for low-level listening. They are incredible speakers and just effortless.

But if you can open them up... The Tannoys have left me with no regrets what-so-ever. They make almost everything sound realistic. They are a blast. They are alive. They are what I remember liking the best about live music. But they can put it out. While I was breaking them in, I put on a Boccherini cello concerto while I mowed the lawn. My neighbor stopped by and said: "Those speakers sound great! Where are they?" and I had to tell him with a straight face: "In the house."

Both have to be a pulled a good ways into the room to get a good stereo image. Same as most speakers. Soundstage is just more complete with the Tannoys, IMHO. But it all depends on what you are looking for. I honestly don't think you can go too far wrong with either.

Best!

Steve

 

 

Doni, the drivers are HPD 315 (12") Dual Concentric. The enclosures were designed by me, are 150 liter bass-reflex, 1 7/8" two-layer MDF, weighing 192 lbs. each.

The crossovers are DIY, using Alpha Core 12 gauge ribbon inductors Mundorf        S-I-O  capacitors, and Dueland resistors.

I enjoy them every day.

Regards,

Dan

What is your BUDGET?  Will you consider a horn speaker?  I have a room larger than the one you speak of.  After a long search, I ended up buying Viking Acoustic Grande Voix dual horn speakers.  They absolutely fill the room with musical bliss.  Check out the Viking website.  

With the luxury of a room that size I'd be ordering a set of Maggies.

Dunlavy sc-4,5,6s are still to be found on occasion. Even though they are perhaps a couple of decades old, they still represent one of the best values in high end audio. Oh, and they absolutely love big rooms.

Sorry I meant to say:

Klipsch / Speaker Lab Corner Horns. They are a fantastic deal used. I live near Seattle and there are usually a pair or two for sale every month or so. The Speaker Lab SK versions are even cheaper. Volti and some others have upgrades for them. New horn and drivers and crossovers which is what I planned to do with mine when I purchased them but they sounded so good that I just wrapped the midrange horn with dynamat and enjoy them. For me the most amazing part is how good they in the kitchen. They fill the whole level with great sound

I'm sorry @danager  but I missed seeing which speakers you were referring to.

@fiesta75 Thanks for the reference to the JBL Everest.  Lots os folks thought it was the bestof show at the recent CAF.

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My main space is 45x25x16 broken up into LR, kitchen, and DR. My Zu Def 4 speakers are on the short wall and effortlessly fill the space using only a 300b SET. In my experience a high efficiency speaker is desirable in a huge space. 

To answer a couple of questions, my ceiling is 10', and I listen mostly at low to moderate volume levels.  The need for a speaker that plays really loudly is low priority.  
@islandmandan You say your Tannoys are custom but I wonder if you could equate them to the Ardens,or perhaps a larger model.

@yyzsantabarbara  Thanks for the pointer to the Yamaha NS5000.  I'll do some research.

 

I've got a big room thats L shaped but pretty much open.  A stairwell seperates the front wall leaving corners about 18ft apart.  The back wall is a little over 30ft long.  If you've got corners you can easily fill the room with a huge natural sounding soundstage with any amp (I'm using a 2 watt SET) and can reach 90db with more to go. 

Corner horns while large don't really take up much of your living space unlike standalones that need to be away from the front wall.  

Imagine Cornwalls with a bigger fuller sound.

@yyzsantabarbara that is consistent with my experience.  Usually, you only run into an issue if the cieling is low (like 7' in a basement) with a bigger speaker like the K90 or a G2.  Front and side walls surprisingly have minimal impact.  Even the rear firing oval decades work well in a customers home and he had one basically in a corner.  It is really amazing.