Proof of improvements in audio system sound quality....

after that small pebble, we will see how ya do….grasshopper….

start with a Magic Brick…. just one…. when you post a picture of it in your hand w system in background, i will let you know…. where to place it for best improvement…..

@mastering92 

maghister is the disciple of millercarbon....but millercarbon must be RICH. the other guy is poor so the tweaks are for better sound....my family and my brother told me i am also a funny guy.

@dabel 

NO. not true. we have a very good love...better then you!!

@ozzy62 

i like to drink sprite every day. not much booze. only on family time.

@roxy54 

i am NOT crazy. You should look in the MIRROR. 

@byner 

funny in a BAD way or a GOOD way?? please tell me...

overall you guys are not very useful with helping to figure out my question.

So, I will ask it one more time....

i need someone to help explain how to make a less expensive system sound better, truthfully. with no lies at all.

on th surface i can smell some liars already. I am asking for honesty as the best policy, and nothing else.

do i make myself CLEAR??

- viper

The easiest way to "learn to listen" is to listen to only music you love, but you may have to search high and low for it.

You want someone knowledgeable not just opinionated. I have no idea why any sales person would offer an opinion on @mahgister ’s system. Just trying to look like he knows what he is talking about? Run.

@ghdprentice perhaps you are placing too much faith that this interchange happened. If I was shown pictures of that system, I am not sure how I would respond. Me biting my tongue and me wanting to say exactly what I thought would be fighting each other along with me asking myself what I did wrong to deserve this customer while my little inner demon licks his lips and says, "we got a live one, daddy's getting a new car."  Not all opinions are equal or even valid.

In my experience most people working in audio stores are not as knowledgeable as you would hope. Remember they are salesmen not audiophiles!!

@p05129

Can you please post a pic of your system?

Thanks

You are funny!

@p05129 

So according to you, if someone doesn't spend 60-100k, they aren't knowledgeable? That's elitist nonsense, and it seems like you used your post to be a braggart. That's embarrassing.

Very few audio store salesman that I have talked to know anything except how to sell any piece of audio gear to make a dime. That goes for most audio magazine reviewers. These guys have terrible rooms that they review equipment in and everything they review is the best they ever heard.
A’gon used to be good for knowledgeable people to discuss audio equipment, room design, synergy, tweaks, and more, but that has totally disappeared. Now you have people thinking they are knowledgeable/experts in this field when they have a couple hundred/couple thousand dollars invested in equipment. That’s like going to a person that owns a suburu and asking for his advice on a Bugatti. When I was shopping to spend $60k-$100k on audio equipment, my wife was involved, either by joining me at dealers or going to audio shows around the country. Just like my wife and I always went together looking at new homes, expensive sports cars, and boats. Nothing wrong with that, and I value her opinion.

I had my wife clean the gutters on Valentine’s Day.  Don’t judge. I held the ladder. 

This is the funniest  thread  I've ever read. Thanks!

If your wife had to put up with that nonsense at the audio store, she deserved a great dinner at a restaurant afterwards.  That was your first mistake!

What a rambling mess of a post. Were you drinking heavily when you came up with this?

To flip a phrase… beauty is in the ear of the listener…. Or, he might hear it, you might not. 

she said she would help me with choosing a audio system on valentines day. but she did not keep her promise.

Of course,

why did you expect on Valentine's day?

But, 

the answer buy a better system is very sincere.

When I can't make up my mind I simply ask myself...

"What would TubeBuffer do?"

DeKay

What a crazy thread. It doesn't deserve a response. Mahgsiter was not crazy, but I don't know about you @digitalviper  

Stick with cheap junk and pretend it sounds good.

As do I. Either as a personal choice of departure @frogman ... or, now roaming the infinite cosmos.

As usual, one’s wife is right. She knew you were at the wrong audio store. Where is Mahgister, anyway? Anyone know? Miss him.

MY bit of advice:  abandon the need for “proof”.  Trust your ears.  If you can’t hear differences in sound learn to listen, there are ways to learn.  Or, don’t worry about it and just enjoy the music.

My partner and I have been together for 37 years… or is it 38? I only occasionally bring her along. Only if I am stuck. She, like virtually all females has better hearing, and is very sensitive to noise and distortion. So, if I am wavering, in two seconds she will say those sound terrible. This helps keep one off the “detail is better at any cost train”… cuz there is frequently a cost.

Beware of experts. I start by interviewing. I have long conversations with a potential audio guy. I cover stuff I know well. I note his comments… does he have a clue? What does he know about? What are his values in sound reproduction? Does he like flashy sound, polite, bass heavy… detail scraping, musical? What kind of music. I work from obvious to detailed stuff… moving down to individual interconnect signatures, cartridge sound. He needs to be more knowledgable and honest.

Obviously you can only go so far as you know. But if you are in synch and does not trash stuff he does not sell, or ideas he has not tried, then you can trust him.

You want someone knowledgeable not just opinionated. I have no idea why any sales person would offer an opinion on @mahgister ’s system. Just trying to look like he knows what he is talking about? Run.

I have had three audio guys of 20 years each. We have real, informative conversations. I have learned a great deal from them. These days the conversations are two way and he will ask me questions and sometimes bring equipment over to my house to help him evaluate. This is ideal… but takes long relationships.

"how to make a less expensive system sound better, truthfully. with no lies at all."

Stop being a cheapskate and open your wallet to buy a better system.

Pretty easy.

"we had to leave the store early since she had to cook dinner."

She "had" to cook dinner? Sheesh. Does "she" wait by the door when you get home from work with slippers and a drink too?

Your wife had to cook dinner on Valentine's Day?

forget everything he said...try some tweaks...start with the free tweaks, then the returnable ones...trust your judgement..make a decision...many here will say you don't really hear what you think you hear...

+! Bravo @tonywinga 

And every time I found them grouchy and cantankerous with little patience to suffer fools. Seems to be a requirement. But if you are patient and humble you can learn a thing or two from them.

My wife visited stereo shops with my me during our first year of marriage. That was in 1980. She has not visited a stereo store with me since.

1) Always keep your spouse involved in the buying decision process even if it comes down to, “If I buy this, I will buy you that.”

2) Salesmen are not experts. They know just enough to help you decide to buy their products. I have met just a handful of stereo store owners that really knew their stuff. And every time I found them grouchy and cantankerous with little patience to suffer fools. Seems to be a requirement. But if you are patient and humble you can learn a thing or two from them.

3) Watch the old TV Show Mr. Ed, S5 E1 titled HiFi Horse. Insightful episode that says it all about our hobby.

@digitalviper

Sorry to say this, but you should be a professional on-stage comedian. Just read-aloud what you type to folks on audiogon. Forget a regular day-job, use that money you earn to build a great system....then you won’t have to beg your wife for money.

I laughed so much at this - net benefit: cardiovascular system and healthier lungs!

Not sure if it was satire; either way, incredible!! ....

i was at a audio store yesterday with my wife. she was very unhappy to be there...

but i told her to stay because of course we are in love. she said she would help me with choosing a audio system on valentines day. but she did not keep her promise.

And yeah, I’ve seen @mahgister ’s system and sure it doesn’t look very tidy, but you know what? You’re not the boss of him. It’s his system...not yours. Let him enjoy it and stop trying to bully him in to giving you answers. One thing he’s got is respect; and based on your previous posts and this one...i can tell you’re lacking that personality trait - insurmountable proportions of drivel and confusion indeed !

Sorry in advance if I was a bit rude. Honestly...the folks on the forum are great. For example, so many helped with recommendations for a turntable (for my cousin). Looks like you get a lot of help from your wife...maybe just have her proof-read what you type online each time you post something new?!

All the best to you and take care.

i was at a audio store yesterday with my wife. she was very unhappy to be there...

Don't bring your wife next time

 i need someone to help explain how to make a less expensive system sound better,

Room treatments and speaker setup in a room your wife will let you use for audio. In a joint living space get a power conditioner instead of room treatments

on valentines day

we had to leave the store early since she had to cook dinner.

Oh Lord, your relationship is doomed ............