@everest_audio do you have a link for those stands?
New MOFI speaker (Andrew Jones)
Here is some info on the new MOFI/Jones speaker:
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We'll be carrying the speakers and look forward to receiving our demo pair. In regard to stands, we've talked to Noel from Skylan Stands and there's a perfect option for us. He already has a stand developed for the Klipsch Heresy 4 that if rotated 90 degrees from the Klipsch configuration (which is wider than it is deep) and made to be 24" tall instead of 20" tall should work perfectly. From the videos we're seeing, stands used with the SourcePoint 10 seem to be very short. We're thinking that if we go 24", that places the tweeter just slightly below typical seated ear height. |
Having only "heard" these via the YouTube video, they certainly sound promising. I'm current listening to ELAC speakers, and am a fan of Andrew's work. I'll be anxious to see if Andrew and MOFI employ some trickle-down design marketing and come out with a smaller version using the same technology and theory? Possibly meet another price point i.e $2k? |
@grislybutter: According to the MoFi guys I spoke to at CAF last weekend the speakers won’t be available until next month. None of their dealers have received their first deliveries of stock yet. |
If you want towers they are @rick2000 |
As much as I want a pair, I'm not going to rush into this just yet. All talks have been preliminary as I'm still on the fence about posting them on USAudiomart. There just may be someone in LA who'd love a pair of JBL 4319 monitors and since it's free to post, I may take that route. Decisions, decisions..... All the best, |
@nonoise wow, I wouldn't expect 4K speakers to sell out so fast. Crutchfield is out of them too. |
@nonoise sometimes it's better to take the hit ($$) for convenience. I hate selling speakers because of shipping. Guess that's why I have 6 sets of speakers here in our house, and my kids have inherited a few sets. Let us know how it all works out and how they sound. |
Thanks for the positive feedback on Upscale Audio. I’ve bought all my stereo gear so far from Music Direct but with UA just an afternoon drive away, it made sense to check them out. In fact, I spoke to them yesterday about trade ins and got a nice ballpark quote that I’d still take a hit on but it would negate the hassle of posting ads for cash & carry only to bombarded with pleas to ship. They told me they’ve gotten lots of orders for the Sourcepoint 10 speakers already with two before I called and that they’re going to be hard to source after the first batch have sold. That didn’t help. 😄 All the best, |
@nonoise I asked because I am about the same drivetime away (at night) but I am south of upscale audio. It's a great company, I purchased from them during covid, very professional, knowledgeable and friendly |
No, more like North Hollywood but Upscale Audio is only open M-F and traffic has gotten really bad in this area. San Diego is about a three hour drive nowadays. I remember when I could drive to SD in just over an hour back in the '80s. In fact, the last time I drove to SD, I avoided the 5 fwy and took the 210 over to the 15 down to SD and it was faster than taking the more direct route on the 5. All the best, |
To be clear, the hardness or sibilance I heard was mild and could be attributable to the other components, or the room or the music sample. What I did note was that the speaker has no controls. This is somewhat of a disappointment—an L-Pad makes it far easier to integrate a speaker into a particular system/room. I know manufacturers are reluctant to include them because customers often don’t know how to use them and complain about the sound, but, I think it is better include controls. |
I did not notice sibilance but only had a very short listen. Are you saying the speakers produced sibilance where there should be none? Sibilance can be a natural occurrence and not necessarily an artifact of reproduction. In fact I’m not sure I have ever heard any good quality hifi that produced artificial sibilance. Maybe if something was defective or not working properly, like a defective driver, crossover, system component or vinyl playback that is not tracking well or record has groove damage. Maybe if amp clipping. In any of these cases the cause is not the speaker design. Speakers just often mistakenly get all the credit or blame accordingly. |
@garyalex what was the name/brand of the other speaker? |
I heard the new speaker at CAF. Bass was tight and punchy. I did think the highs could sometimes be a bit much. I don't want to say bright but some of what I heard edged into that territory. Perhaps it was the recording or the associated equipment. I did hear another speaker using a concentric driver which didn't sound like this. Of course that was with different electronics but I thought it sounded much better than the SP 10. It also costs more than double the price. |
@soix - I thought the same thing when I was watching Steve's video! Upgrade that streamer! |
No intention to rain on the enthusiasm, but I thought the sound at CAF was a bit splashy here and there. Too many unknowns to attribute definitely to the speakers, and it probably wouldn’t bother many even if it is the speakers. But I think it fair to say that there are alternatives at the same price point with competing virtues. |
i agree andrew jones is a rare commodity in this industry, technically excellent, talented and imaginative in design, and also very articulate, charming, likeable as a person and spokesman it is very easy to listen to him speak, stay engaged, and not be turned off by a sense ego mania or hype .... |
I would also like to add how much I appreciated Andrew Jones' representation of the Mo-Fi speaker at Capital Audiofest. He does a terrific job of explaining the design, including engineering challenges and the compromises that are made in implementing the particular design. He has been my favorite representative from when I first heard him at CES talking about TAD speakers about 20 years ago. It is a small wonder how he manages to keep his very friendly and engaging demeanor over the entirety of a long show. He is an extraordinary trooper. |
I heard them at Capital Audiofest and they sounded quite good to me, particularly considering the price. It delivered reasonably deep and tight bass, a nice, warm upper bass, and smooth and natural midrange. My only negative was a touch of sibilance in the upper midrange. This negative is common to many modern speakers, as well as some old-school concentric driver systems like those of Tannoy. I don’t know how well they play at lower volume because they were only played at higher volume levels. Still, a very good sounding system. I liked how they look. The faceted baffle looked good (functionally, they are designed to minimize diffraction issues). The picture frame edging around the front baffle gave the speaker a nice old school touch to go with the modern look of the faceted baffle. |
+1 Lower labor and possibly lower materials costs are not the same as lower quality. Sure there are cheap inferior products and fake copies, but it is not universal. Proper quality control monitoring avoids poor quality. General Chinese goods bashing shows lack of knowledge how the real world works. |
Yes. Outstanding speakers, Perlisten room was one of Capital Audio Fest highlights IMO. The Chinese background person in charge of Perlisten manufacturing, is also a partner, member of ownership group: ——- If you’re going to do your own thing, you need to partner with a factory because you have limited resources.” He found his partner in the form of Peter Yang, an old friend who had opened a factory in Dongguan, a city in China’s Pearl River Delta. Crucially, and around the same time, Roemer created a company called D-Acoustic, which included several engineers who did electrical, software, transducer, FEA, and multiphysics work. These two factors allowed the idea of Perlisten to lay roots in April 2016, as Roemer and company were able to begin running their own projects in parallel with the consulting work they did through D-Acoustic that was paying everyone’s salaries. Roemer knew that in order to be taken seriously, he had to come to market fully baked, with proprietary differentiators, full infrastructure and support, and a complete product line that was available from the outset. It took several years of research and development before Perlisten’s creations were fully formed, but in 2020, early in the COVID-19 pandemic, Perlisten Audio went live with a five-SKU-deep S Series—in addition to a line of subwoofers—that, even two years later, looks deeply impressive. Recently, Perlisten formally announced their more affordable R Series.
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The bottom line is Chinese made products are not on the same quality level as most European or USA/Canadian made audio products. Exceptions always exists but to defend PRC made products is ludicrous. Quad is the perfect example of this issue. I would consider a Quad 2812 but even with UK management/ factory QC problems still exist making the speaker a ticking time bomb. |
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Many companies manufacture in China in plants that are owned, staffed, and all engineering quality measures are managed and controlled by the parent company. Many companies contract manufacturers in China to build their product (bid) and this is where quality issues can arise. Unlike the Counterfeit thread where companies are operating on the outer fringes of ethics and compliance and the law (international or us) The company I work for has plants in 56 countries including China. The engineering, manufacturing and quality processes are identical. You can take a component from our plant in Romania and mate it with a US or PRC components and there is complete interchangeability, as they are all made to the same specification in our global standard. As do most ISO and TUV compliant companies do. Perceptions of consumers is that if it is made in China or India or Vietnam it should be cheaper. The reality is our manufacturing facilities we have built in these countries in the last 30 years are more state of the art than any of our US or Canadian facilities. |
@jjss49 +1 Keep it real. There a $3699 speaker made in China with a high % of Chinese made parts. |
